No one since JS Bach has come close to musical perfection

For their shortcomings Mozart and Beethoven were able to bring incredible emotions and personal strife into their pieces


Bach composed for God himself

Yes, he is!

It may be hard to swallow but the entirety of western music is basically built upon the foundations of JS Bach

I still prefer Mozart over all the other classical composers.
His music speaks to me like no other.

Bieber.

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Love me some of his counterpoint pieces. Amazingly difficult to play on the piano.

I totally agree I have cried numerous times listening to pieces by Mozart


In particular the 40th Symphony and the Requiem

What bach couldnt finish Mozart and Beethoven seem to finish by standing upon his shoulders

... and you can have an idea why here:

This should be the GLP theme song!:

Wake up people!

Sleepers, awake!:



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Vivaldi is also amazing!

I have composed my posts in this thread using voice to text

I spoke these words directly in real time from the heart

If I used it all the time you would be astonished the thoughts in my mind

Your point is well received. Society has been extremely dumbed-down since the days of the musical masters. I love all 3 of the composers you mention. Compare 'Hip-Hop' with Autotuned 'Vocals' and chimped-out crotch grabbing and chest beating to the works of the Masters. To say there is no comparison is an understatement. They are completely different worlds...

Just keep watching your American False Idol you poor fools...

Bon Jovi and Van Halen come to mind.

Listen/look at this and please don't tell me that this is not divinely inspired!

Beethoven struggled with counterpoint his whole life. Even when he got the mechanics down, he generally fell short in the 'musicality' category. His motivic romanticism was quite unlike the music of Bach's time...different to the point of making a direct comparison somewhat futile.

Mozart usually made a concerted effort to hide his polyphony as best he could; brazen counterpoint was somewhat frowned upon during his time. It was inconsistent with the ideals of the Classical era. However, sometimes he couldn't control himself, and he finally created the most successful marriage between the Baroque and Classical ideals with the finale of his 41st symphony. The polyphony is absolutely on par with Bach's finest works, yet seamlessly integrated into a very 'Classical' form. It represents the best of both worlds, and there isn't another piece of music like it in existence.

I have nothing but praise and admiration for Bach, but the musical ideals to which he aspired were far different from those of Mozart's time, and even more so with Beethoven's.

But all roads lead back to Bach, and rightfully so.

I'm personally a fan of Frédéric Chopin & Barry Manilow

... or this. Listen to this in the morning and then see how your day goes!

Both Eddie and Alex Van Halen were trained (old-school style) to be concert pianists.

While they certainly don't merit being mentioned alongside Bach in any way, at least they studied his music and can appreciate it.

Which is far more than can be said about anyone in Bon Jovi.

This is one of Mozart's best.

Great post, would you mind citing an example of Beethoven falling short on counter-point, and maybe also an example of his falling short on musicality as well?

I do not wish to refute, I find your point very interesting

I'll kill both birds with a single stone: Grosse Fuge.

well said, correct and very diplomatic

and for the original poster, you should check out some Eric Johnson for some beautiful music with screaming electric guitar. Particularly his jazz and classical guitar compositions.... again not at the same level of orchestral mastery, but inspiring stuff none the less!

thank you!

wow, i thought that was going to be over my head and I wouldn't recognize what you were getting at but that is quite the awkward piece, thanks for the education!

SYNYSTER GATES IS GOLD

Eric Johnson is my favorite guitarist to listen to! Ah Via Musicom would be one of my 'desert island' discs

So is urine.

Hehe....it doesn't take a PhD in composition or musicology to justify the O_o effect of that piece. Beethoven's publisher even demanded he replace it with another movement, or else he wouldn't publish it.