The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50239577 Japan 11/19/2013 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I bet with you, 1.000.000 Yen that nothing would happen, you organize the Water and i drink it, you can't organize the Water you shut up, mmmkay! Organize the water? You find a professional organizer willing to organize radioactive waste, and we'll proceed from there. |
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kickazCarlin User ID: 25892180 United States 11/19/2013 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019 Unit 4 - 2+2 91 ton cask 15(555)33 fuel rods What an occult stamped project Towers.........3..................1 Reactors....4321..............65 11/1234/13 11/1+9/13 11/19/13 wow really? This is what you do with your time? Add random numbers to make something out of nothing? Get a fucking life will ya? Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist. I am open to any and all sides of a story but beware,I have a biased opinion from life experiences just like you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33435073 United States 11/19/2013 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019 Unit 4 - 2+2 91 ton cask 15(555)33 fuel rods What an occult stamped project Towers.........3..................1 Reactors....4321..............65 11/1234/13 11/1+9/13 11/19/13 wow really? This is what you do with your time? Add random numbers to make something out of nothing? Get a fucking life will ya? Pretty impressive!! Solve dark matter next! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50237581 Australia 11/19/2013 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me. Quoting: AlphaRecon You mean, all that work TEPCO spent in securing the building is a modern day version of Capricorn One? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50239577 Japan 11/19/2013 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me. Quoting: AlphaRecon "This smells like a Conspiracy"! Jesse: "We should investigate this"! PS: This whole Building and the Crane is Brand New, only the Pool is old, the rest of the Building was dismantled in the last 980 Days! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50239577 Japan 11/19/2013 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me. Quoting: AlphaRecon "This smells like a Conspiracy"! Jesse: "We should investigate this"! PS: This whole Building and the Crane is Brand New, only the Pool is old, the rest of the Building was dismantled in the last 980 Days! I mean only Floors above the Pool are dismatled! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44617612 Canada 11/19/2013 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to motherboard.vice.com] Quoting: Exemplar More than two and a half years after the Fukushima Dai-ichi disaster began, cleanup efforts at the crippled plant have hit a milestone: Today, the process of removing spent fuel rods from damaged reactors began successfully, with the first fuel rod assemblies moved from underwater storage pool at the plant's No. 4 reactor pool to portable storage casks |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50187360 United States 11/19/2013 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Preface of pertinent information. Based on experience of working in/around nuclear power. Quoting: Rad worker 38423300 The fuel rods are stored in bundles. Basically a rack probably in the shape of a hexagon, octagon, or decagon. Not sure of the configuration for this particular reactor. Those racks hold multiple rods. In the plants I worked at there were 9 rods per bundle. The bundles are not soft bunnies. They are hardened specialty stainless steel alloys with tensile strengths in the 100's of thousands. They can take some abuse without being damaged. I have intimate knowledge of these facts. When "inert" (not in use) they are fully inserted or cased/sheilded in these bundle racks. When "reactive" (in use) they are extracted from the bundling/casement by air or hydraulically operated fuel control rods in the reactor head. Outside of the reactor head they are stable and shielded from interaction and could be kicked round, so to speak, without being damaged. The fuel itself is likely pelletized and encased in a "rod" comprised of more high alloy, high tensile strength, stainless steel. Again not bunnies but not as stout as the reactor head/fuel pot. Meat and potatoes section. For a fuel rod in the bundle to be damaged and dropping pellets would be the real cause for concern. Those are where the really bad dose comes from, the actual pellets of fuel. As long as they are able to recover the bundles intact with the rods in each bundle intact and casketize them for permanent storage there is very little risk of problems. If a human is operating a crane within reach of a bundle and that bundle has one open/leaking/fuel pellet dropping rod in the bundle the human will be dead in quick order. If they are able to successfully remove all of the bundles in new and spent fuel pools general area dose will drop dramatically and allow work to begin on detensioning of the reactor head bolts. This is where the greatest cause for concern is. There is no way to truly and completely know that the reactor head is able to do its job. Give the inerting commands to the reactors control rods and hope they worked. And that no rods in the assemblies/bundles are damaged/dropping pellets. Keeping inventory/water levels high enough and circulating is another major concern at this point. Stagnant water will allow boiling which as it heats up the reaction becomes faster until criticality is reached and control can't be regained without the head in place and all of the other circulatory systems in place. Sum it up. Yes there is potential for danger at this stage in the game. As procedural guidelines and engineering controls are not the same as normal operations. The really serious moments will occur when the reactor head is removed and defueling of the fuel pot begins. Just thought I'd give some insight into how these things work and whatnot as I'm sitting here on my back patio unemployed, uninsured, and too broke to really enjoy my time away from work. Number 4 reactor was defueled prior to the earthquake/tsunami! The problem is that this fuel pool is overloaded to begin with and is compromised structurally. Its cooling system is not in good shape either. If this pool can ever be emptied safely, this reactor can be safely crushed and buried. There's nothing left there to salvage. SFP 1-3 sit over active and melted coria and I've no idea how to really deal with these. Regardless, if they can be emptied, they should be, once SFP 4 is done. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 46813305 United States 11/19/2013 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019 Unit 4 - 2+2 91 ton cask 15(555)33 fuel rods What an occult stamped project Towers.........3..................1 Reactors....4321..............65 11/1234/13 11/1+9/13 11/19/13 wow, I always wondered what went thru tard's minds when they weren't concentrating on taking a breath....now I know :Smiley ROFL::Big Smile Smiley: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50239577 Japan 11/19/2013 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Preface of pertinent information. Based on experience of working in/around nuclear power. Quoting: Rad worker 38423300 The fuel rods are stored in bundles. Basically a rack probably in the shape of a hexagon, octagon, or decagon. Not sure of the configuration for this particular reactor. Those racks hold multiple rods. In the plants I worked at there were 9 rods per bundle. The bundles are not soft bunnies. They are hardened specialty stainless steel alloys with tensile strengths in the 100's of thousands. They can take some abuse without being damaged. I have intimate knowledge of these facts. When "inert" (not in use) they are fully inserted or cased/sheilded in these bundle racks. When "reactive" (in use) they are extracted from the bundling/casement by air or hydraulically operated fuel control rods in the reactor head. Outside of the reactor head they are stable and shielded from interaction and could be kicked round, so to speak, without being damaged. The fuel itself is likely pelletized and encased in a "rod" comprised of more high alloy, high tensile strength, stainless steel. Again not bunnies but not as stout as the reactor head/fuel pot. Meat and potatoes section. For a fuel rod in the bundle to be damaged and dropping pellets would be the real cause for concern. Those are where the really bad dose comes from, the actual pellets of fuel. As long as they are able to recover the bundles intact with the rods in each bundle intact and casketize them for permanent storage there is very little risk of problems. If a human is operating a crane within reach of a bundle and that bundle has one open/leaking/fuel pellet dropping rod in the bundle the human will be dead in quick order. If they are able to successfully remove all of the bundles in new and spent fuel pools general area dose will drop dramatically and allow work to begin on detensioning of the reactor head bolts. This is where the greatest cause for concern is. There is no way to truly and completely know that the reactor head is able to do its job. Give the inerting commands to the reactors control rods and hope they worked. And that no rods in the assemblies/bundles are damaged/dropping pellets. Keeping inventory/water levels high enough and circulating is another major concern at this point. Stagnant water will allow boiling which as it heats up the reaction becomes faster until criticality is reached and control can't be regained without the head in place and all of the other circulatory systems in place. Sum it up. Yes there is potential for danger at this stage in the game. As procedural guidelines and engineering controls are not the same as normal operations. The really serious moments will occur when the reactor head is removed and defueling of the fuel pot begins. Just thought I'd give some insight into how these things work and whatnot as I'm sitting here on my back patio unemployed, uninsured, and too broke to really enjoy my time away from work. Number 4 reactor was defueled prior to the earthquake/tsunami! The problem is that this fuel pool is overloaded to begin with and is compromised structurally. Its cooling system is not in good shape either. If this pool can ever be emptied safely, this reactor can be safely crushed and buried. There's nothing left there to salvage. SFP 1-3 sit over active and melted coria and I've no idea how to really deal with these. Regardless, if they can be emptied, they should be, once SFP 4 is done. We still have a lot of Time before we could spend some Effort for Nr.1-3, the best is to provide a good Breakfast for our Juniors, they need to be good and very innovative at School! According to the Schedule they will not even look for it until 2020! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20673661 United States 11/19/2013 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you OP for letting up know they lied. Nothing against you but I know these fucks didn't remove them bc they were destroyed already. BUT this is exactly what they NEED you to believe. 'Everything is going perfectly, sunshine, smiles, and daisys'...... |
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UnmannedAerialPilot User ID: 35832522 United States 11/19/2013 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019 Unit 4 - 2+2 91 ton cask 15(555)33 fuel rods What an occult stamped project Towers.........3..................1 Reactors....4321..............65 11/1234/13 11/1+9/13 11/19/13 wow, I always wondered what went thru tard's minds when they weren't concentrating on taking a breath....now I know |
Kirk User ID: 49863729 United States 11/19/2013 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me. Quoting: AlphaRecon "This smells like a Conspiracy"! Jesse: "We should investigate this"! PS: This whole Building and the Crane is Brand New, only the Pool is old, the rest of the Building was dismantled in the last 980 Days! they had to replace it because the old one was too damaged. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
Kirk User ID: 49863729 United States 11/19/2013 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thats one move out of 1000s more to follow. you don't think they'll mess up once? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24061376 and ony 1 screw up contaminates the entire planet....keep your fingers crossed Based on what information Mr Wise Man? Spill the beans. Back up your claims. there is damage to some of the items in the pool. A screw up may just delay or if a big screw up occurs due to an earthquake it could escape control. Japan has loads of quakes. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4466048 United States 11/19/2013 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me. Quoting: AlphaRecon "This smells like a Conspiracy"! Jesse: "We should investigate this"! PS: This whole Building and the Crane is Brand New, only the Pool is old, the rest of the Building was dismantled in the last 980 Days! Great! So we can just walk right into Unit 3 now, right? Robots aren't gonna get fried, right? Right?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1319233 United States 11/19/2013 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget the bent assembly that has been laying on the bottom of the pool for 25 years. They couldn't even remove it back then. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13693962 United States 11/19/2013 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to motherboard.vice.com] Quoting: Exemplar More than two and a half years after the Fukushima Dai-ichi disaster began, cleanup efforts at the crippled plant have hit a milestone: Today, the process of removing spent fuel rods from damaged reactors began successfully, with the first fuel rod assemblies moved from underwater storage pool at the plant's No. 4 reactor pool to portable storage casks they will hit a snag am tellin u the rods will be bent broken in places they are lifting the undamaged ones for now. aint no cake walk, fuk tepco bullshit assholes. |
Anubis User ID: 4949345 Canada 11/19/2013 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would you say this? What you have said is impossible after all this time. what do you mean? moving the rods from the storage pools doesnt help the meltdown thats already under way. the meltdown in the CORE not the spent rod storage pools. !! Last Edited by Anubis on 11/19/2013 12:53 PM |
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