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The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima

 
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Nothing!
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Absolute horseshit
 Quoting: RememberThis


Rofl I bet with you, 1.000.000 Yen that nothing would happen,
you organize the Water and i drink it,
you can't organize the Water you shut up, mmmkay!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50239577


Organize the water?

You find a professional organizer willing to organize radioactive waste, and we'll proceed from there.
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Putin
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5 stars , pin requested , I think everyone can use some good news!
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hf
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days
Unit 4 - 2+2
91 ton cask
15(555)33 fuel rods

What an occult stamped project

Towers.........3..................1
Reactors....4321..............65

11/1234/13
11/1+9/13
11/19/13
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019


wow really? This is what you do with your time? Add random numbers to make something out of nothing? Get a fucking life will ya?
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I am open to any and all sides of a story but beware,I have a biased opinion from life experiences just like you.
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days
Unit 4 - 2+2
91 ton cask
15(555)33 fuel rods

What an occult stamped project

Towers.........3..................1
Reactors....4321..............65

11/1234/13
11/1+9/13
11/19/13
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019


wow really? This is what you do with your time? Add random numbers to make something out of nothing? Get a fucking life will ya?
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Pretty impressive!!


Solve dark matter next!


laugh
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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thats one move out of 1000s more to follow. you don't think they'll mess up once?

and ony 1 screw up contaminates the entire planet....keep your fingers crossed
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Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me.
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thats one move out of 1000s more to follow. you don't think they'll mess up once?

and ony 1 screw up contaminates the entire planet....keep your fingers crossed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24061376


Based on what information Mr Wise Man?

Spill the beans. Back up your claims.
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Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me.
 Quoting: AlphaRecon


You mean, all that work TEPCO spent in securing the building is a modern day version of Capricorn One?
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Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me.
 Quoting: AlphaRecon


Rofl "This smells like a Conspiracy"!
Jesse: "We should investigate this"!

PS: This whole Building and the Crane is Brand New,
only the Pool is old, the rest of the Building was dismantled
in the last 980 Days!
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me.
 Quoting: AlphaRecon


Rofl "This smells like a Conspiracy"!
Jesse: "We should investigate this"!

PS: This whole Building and the Crane is Brand New,
only the Pool is old, the rest of the Building was dismantled
in the last 980 Days!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50239577


I mean only Floors above the Pool are dismatled!
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More than two and a half years after the Fukushima Dai-ichi disaster began, cleanup efforts at the crippled plant have hit a milestone: Today, the process of removing spent fuel rods from damaged reactors began successfully, with the first fuel rod assemblies moved from underwater storage pool at the plant's No. 4 reactor pool to portable storage casks
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clappa
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days
Unit 4 - 2+2
91 ton cask
15(555)33 fuel rods

What an occult stamped project

Towers.........3..................1
Reactors....4321..............65

11/1234/13
11/1+9/13
11/19/13
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019


numberstard

putin
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verysad
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Preface of pertinent information. Based on experience of working in/around nuclear power.

The fuel rods are stored in bundles. Basically a rack probably in the shape of a hexagon, octagon, or decagon. Not sure of the configuration for this particular reactor. Those racks hold multiple rods. In the plants I worked at there were 9 rods per bundle. The bundles are not soft bunnies. They are hardened specialty stainless steel alloys with tensile strengths in the 100's of thousands. They can take some abuse without being damaged. I have intimate knowledge of these facts.

When "inert" (not in use) they are fully inserted or cased/sheilded in these bundle racks. When "reactive" (in use) they are extracted from the bundling/casement by air or hydraulically operated fuel control rods in the reactor head. Outside of the reactor head they are stable and shielded from interaction and could be kicked round, so to speak, without being damaged.

The fuel itself is likely pelletized and encased in a "rod" comprised of more high alloy, high tensile strength, stainless steel. Again not bunnies but not as stout as the reactor head/fuel pot.

Meat and potatoes section.

For a fuel rod in the bundle to be damaged and dropping pellets would be the real cause for concern. Those are where the really bad dose comes from, the actual pellets of fuel. As long as they are able to recover the bundles intact with the rods in each bundle intact and casketize them for permanent storage there is very little risk of problems. If a human is operating a crane within reach of a bundle and that bundle has one open/leaking/fuel pellet dropping rod in the bundle the human will be dead in quick order.

If they are able to successfully remove all of the bundles in new and spent fuel pools general area dose will drop dramatically and allow work to begin on detensioning of the reactor head bolts.

This is where the greatest cause for concern is. There is no way to truly and completely know that the reactor head is able to do its job. Give the inerting commands to the reactors control rods and hope they worked. And that no rods in the assemblies/bundles are damaged/dropping pellets. Keeping inventory/water levels high enough and circulating is another major concern at this point. Stagnant water will allow boiling which as it heats up the reaction becomes faster until criticality is reached and control can't be regained without the head in place and all of the other circulatory systems in place.

Sum it up.
Yes there is potential for danger at this stage in the game. As procedural guidelines and engineering controls are not the same as normal operations.

The really serious moments will occur when the reactor head is removed and defueling of the fuel pot begins.


Just thought I'd give some insight into how these things work and whatnot as I'm sitting here on my back patio unemployed, uninsured, and too broke to really enjoy my time away from work.
 Quoting: Rad worker 38423300


Number 4 reactor was defueled prior to the earthquake/tsunami! The problem is that this fuel pool is overloaded to begin with and is compromised structurally. Its cooling system is not in good shape either. If this pool can ever be emptied safely, this reactor can be safely crushed and buried. There's nothing left there to salvage.

SFP 1-3 sit over active and melted coria and I've no idea how to really deal with these. Regardless, if they can be emptied, they should be, once SFP 4 is done.
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Finally ! I can eat Sashimi Tuna
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days
Unit 4 - 2+2
91 ton cask
15(555)33 fuel rods

What an occult stamped project

Towers.........3..................1
Reactors....4321..............65

11/1234/13
11/1+9/13
11/19/13
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019



wow, I always wondered what went thru tard's minds when they weren't concentrating on taking a breath....now I know
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:Smiley ROFL::Big Smile Smiley:banana2
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Preface of pertinent information. Based on experience of working in/around nuclear power.

The fuel rods are stored in bundles. Basically a rack probably in the shape of a hexagon, octagon, or decagon. Not sure of the configuration for this particular reactor. Those racks hold multiple rods. In the plants I worked at there were 9 rods per bundle. The bundles are not soft bunnies. They are hardened specialty stainless steel alloys with tensile strengths in the 100's of thousands. They can take some abuse without being damaged. I have intimate knowledge of these facts.

When "inert" (not in use) they are fully inserted or cased/sheilded in these bundle racks. When "reactive" (in use) they are extracted from the bundling/casement by air or hydraulically operated fuel control rods in the reactor head. Outside of the reactor head they are stable and shielded from interaction and could be kicked round, so to speak, without being damaged.

The fuel itself is likely pelletized and encased in a "rod" comprised of more high alloy, high tensile strength, stainless steel. Again not bunnies but not as stout as the reactor head/fuel pot.

Meat and potatoes section.

For a fuel rod in the bundle to be damaged and dropping pellets would be the real cause for concern. Those are where the really bad dose comes from, the actual pellets of fuel. As long as they are able to recover the bundles intact with the rods in each bundle intact and casketize them for permanent storage there is very little risk of problems. If a human is operating a crane within reach of a bundle and that bundle has one open/leaking/fuel pellet dropping rod in the bundle the human will be dead in quick order.

If they are able to successfully remove all of the bundles in new and spent fuel pools general area dose will drop dramatically and allow work to begin on detensioning of the reactor head bolts.

This is where the greatest cause for concern is. There is no way to truly and completely know that the reactor head is able to do its job. Give the inerting commands to the reactors control rods and hope they worked. And that no rods in the assemblies/bundles are damaged/dropping pellets. Keeping inventory/water levels high enough and circulating is another major concern at this point. Stagnant water will allow boiling which as it heats up the reaction becomes faster until criticality is reached and control can't be regained without the head in place and all of the other circulatory systems in place.

Sum it up.
Yes there is potential for danger at this stage in the game. As procedural guidelines and engineering controls are not the same as normal operations.

The really serious moments will occur when the reactor head is removed and defueling of the fuel pot begins.


Just thought I'd give some insight into how these things work and whatnot as I'm sitting here on my back patio unemployed, uninsured, and too broke to really enjoy my time away from work.
 Quoting: Rad worker 38423300


Number 4 reactor was defueled prior to the earthquake/tsunami! The problem is that this fuel pool is overloaded to begin with and is compromised structurally. Its cooling system is not in good shape either. If this pool can ever be emptied safely, this reactor can be safely crushed and buried. There's nothing left there to salvage.

SFP 1-3 sit over active and melted coria and I've no idea how to really deal with these. Regardless, if they can be emptied, they should be, once SFP 4 is done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50187360


We still have a lot of Time before we could spend some Effort
for Nr.1-3, the best is to provide a good Breakfast for our Juniors,
they need to be good and very innovative at School!

According to the Schedule they will not even look for it until 2020!
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Thank you OP for letting up know they lied. Nothing against you but I know these fucks didn't remove them bc they were destroyed already. BUT this is exactly what they NEED you to believe. 'Everything is going perfectly, sunshine, smiles, and daisys'......


yoda
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The doomtards will be disappointed to learn this ....
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it is far from over. If there is a big earthquake in the next year and a half it can end badly. If a package gets stuck we could end up breaking it. Far from over.
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Finally ! I can eat Sashimi Tuna
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that conclusion is very premature.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Moving 22 of 202 unused fuel rods over 2 days
Unit 4 - 2+2
91 ton cask
15(555)33 fuel rods

What an occult stamped project

Towers.........3..................1
Reactors....4321..............65

11/1234/13
11/1+9/13
11/19/13
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50124019



wow, I always wondered what went thru tard's minds when they weren't concentrating on taking a breath....now I know
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bigcruise
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me.
 Quoting: AlphaRecon


Rofl "This smells like a Conspiracy"!
Jesse: "We should investigate this"!

PS: This whole Building and the Crane is Brand New,
only the Pool is old, the rest of the Building was dismantled
in the last 980 Days!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50239577


they had to replace it because the old one was too damaged.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
thats one move out of 1000s more to follow. you don't think they'll mess up once?

and ony 1 screw up contaminates the entire planet....keep your fingers crossed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24061376


Based on what information Mr Wise Man?

Spill the beans. Back up your claims.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50237581


there is damage to some of the items in the pool. A screw up may just delay or if a big screw up occurs due to an earthquake it could escape control. Japan has loads of quakes.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
Wow, no damage in that building whatsoever. Paint looks new, no dust, no debris. Trust me, I wouldn't want anything to go wrong with them fudging this operation, but the condition of that building looks pretty suspect to me.
 Quoting: AlphaRecon


Rofl "This smells like a Conspiracy"!
Jesse: "We should investigate this"!

PS: This whole Building and the Crane is Brand New,
only the Pool is old, the rest of the Building was dismantled
in the last 980 Days!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50239577


Great! So we can just walk right into Unit 3 now, right? Robots aren't gonna get fried, right? Right??
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
They removed the EASIEST/LEAST DAMAGED fuel assembly. This task will get exponentially more difficult with each day.

Don't forget the bent assembly that has been laying on the bottom of the pool for 25 years. They couldn't even remove it back then.
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this shit needs to be handled internationally
is not just Japan getting fucked
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[link to motherboard.vice.com]

More than two and a half years after the Fukushima Dai-ichi disaster began, cleanup efforts at the crippled plant have hit a milestone: Today, the process of removing spent fuel rods from damaged reactors began successfully, with the first fuel rod assemblies moved from underwater storage pool at the plant's No. 4 reactor pool to portable storage casks
 Quoting: Exemplar


they will hit a snag am tellin u the rods will be bent broken in places they are lifting the undamaged ones for now.

aint no cake walk, fuk tepco bullshit assholes.
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thats nice but it doesnt help the meltdown already underway
 Quoting: Anubis


Why would you say this?

What you have said is impossible after all this time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50237581


what do you mean? moving the rods from the storage pools doesnt help the meltdown thats already under way.

the meltdown in the CORE not the spent rod storage pools.

!!

Last Edited by Anubis on 11/19/2013 12:53 PM
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Re: The First Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Successfully Removed from Fukushima
there's still plenty of time left for these bozos to
screw this thing all up and blow-up the whole damn island of Honshu.





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