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Coffee in a Post-Collapse Society

 
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Why not store freeze dried coffee?
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Here's a link to my favorite site for coffee.

[link to www.sweetmarias.com]

I like to can my beans green adding oxygen absorbers.
I opened one a few months ago that I canned over 5 years earlier, still fresh as the day I canned them.
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Thanks much, OP. ABSOLUTELY need coffee to survive WROL!
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. . . there is a method for long term storage, unless you plan on rotating your roasted/ground coffee on a regular basis-eventually the coffee you have stored will become undrinkable. Or unless you live in the very narrow band of coffee producing countries that are 20 degrees on each side of the equator and 3,000 feet above sea level- coffee in a post-collapse society will disappear quickly. The answer is to purchase green coffee beans. These are the natural unroasted beans. There are many sites available on the internet where you can purchase anywhere from one pound to fifty pound bags. One advantage is that you will save 50% on your coffee budget paying anywhere from $5-7 per pound by purchasing green coffee beans. The prices of coffee have been escalating just as other commodities and the anticipation of future inflation on coffee is expected to continue. If ordering by the internet and paying shipping costs are to be avoided then you could also check your local coffee roaster in the yellow pages and inquire, they may sell you coffee thus avoiding the shipping costs. Most however will make you pay a small fee above their costs to account for their lost profit, it never hurts to ask though.

Now that you have purchased a twenty five pound bag of beans it will arrive in a burlap bag, long term storage in a five gallon bucket and Mylar should follow your preferred method. You may want to store in multiple smaller Mylar bags for extended storage times. At this point the beans are not off gassing so vacuum sealing with oxygen absorbers is possible. Stored in this method your beans will stay fresh from 2-5 years until you decide to roast them. Some Columbian Estate coffees are actually aged prior to roasting and command premium prices.

Read more here:

[link to www.survivalblog.com]
 Quoting: No Dhimmi

GOd damn this is fucken stupid. Green coffee beans mold very quickly......you can't stop it by putting it in a stupid vacuum bag or "survival jar" or something retarded like that. Enjoy your cancer causing mold!
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Good info but i'll just tough it out and go through the 2 or 3 day withdrawals, maybe switch to tobacco which can be grown anywhere practically.
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Good info but i'll just tough it out and go through the 2 or 3 day withdrawals, maybe switch to tobacco which can be grown anywhere practically.
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you can buy raw caffeine from the decaffeination plants.

Farmers use it as an insecticide.

that is why coffee plants produce caffeine, it kills insects.

the reason caffeine makes you produce adrenaline is because of the chemical stress.

the insects go hyper-crazy for a few hours then die when the caffeine wears off
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Thanks for the heads up

just want to point out that you dont realy need 3000 feet elevation and within 20 deg (that may be optimal?)

Ive grown it at close to 30 deg south and sea level
its hard to get it started and takes about 7 years to even start producing from memory but its possible places like
SE texas or florida could have a coffee industry after collapse.
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hesright

It grows at sea level here in Hawaii. Kauai Coffee Plantation is right on the ocean.
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Thanks N D...Good and correct info...I needed the reminder...:))...cus I need me some coffee in the morning...doom or not...
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For survival???

Coffee is a DRUG, not an essential food. Plus, it's very toxic.

If some collapse ever happens overnight (it most probably won't), that'll be the best detox regime for you and me!

Rather look out for wild tea, like wintergreen, which is very healthy.
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Great info! Thanks!

I guess I never realized how easy it was to do the roast yourself if needed.
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You still don't realize how HARD it is to get a good roast. If you're betting on this happening, start practicing now while info. is available and everything's easy and convenient.

It is quite tricky to roast coffee beans. I've tried it a bit in an old popcorn popper (Orville Redenbacher, the kind that makes enough heat) and you have to switch it on and off to maintain about the right temp. profile as you're doing it. Harder because I didn't have a bean thermometer.
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For survival???

Coffee is a DRUG, not an essential food. Plus, it's very toxic.

If some collapse ever happens overnight (it most probably won't), that'll be the best detox regime for you and me!

Rather look out for wild tea, like wintergreen, which is very healthy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50404363



7 reasons why coffee is good for you

[link to www.popsci.com]
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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you can buy raw caffeine from the decaffeination plants.

Farmers use it as an insecticide.

that is why coffee plants produce caffeine, it kills insects.

the reason caffeine makes you produce adrenaline is because of the chemical stress.

the insects go hyper-crazy for a few hours then die when the caffeine wears off
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50299999


Interesting.

But I thought the part of coffee that gets you really "wired" is not caffeine but some other stuff.

If you want straight caffeine, drink Jolt or Red Bull. Or Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee seems to be pretty "clean", but those beans are very expensive.
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Why not store freeze dried coffee?
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Great info! Thanks!

I guess I never realized how easy it was to do the roast yourself if needed.
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You still don't realize how HARD it is to get a good roast. If you're betting on this happening, start practicing now while info. is available and everything's easy and convenient.

It is quite tricky to roast coffee beans. I've tried it a bit in an old popcorn popper (Orville Redenbacher, the kind that makes enough heat) and you have to switch it on and off to maintain about the right temp. profile as you're doing it. Harder because I didn't have a bean thermometer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49164253


I am not saying I did it right, maybe you can do better. Some people say you should roast in a pan over a grill. You want to do this outdoors because of the smoke from the beans. One guy says if you roast nice and slow in a pan, you can get a better than commercial roast, the beans will swell up very big.

Practice now if you want to learn this skill. As for me, a Fairway Market opened near me and I buy my roasted beans there, so I gave up all the hassle of roasting.
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Why not store freeze dried coffee?
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Bingo Bat Man !
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I don't want to survive on instant coffee! What's a good doom without a couple shots of espresso?
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Why not store freeze dried coffee?
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I have many containers of vacuum sealed Taster's Choice freeze dried coffee and they will last indefinitely.
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Ilex vomitoria (Yaupon) leaves contain very high caffeine content. The natives would drink high concentration tea in order to vomit in a cleansing ritual (which is where it gets its name). This is now a very common cultivated shrub and an evergreen. You can take the leaves of this plant as well as chicory root to make a coffee substitute. It will have a taste that resembles coffee, but more importantly it will have lots and lots of caffeine, plus it's extremely abundant in the southeast.
 Quoting: Zedakah


This is a perfect solution. Coffee is good, but it became boring to me a while back. I live in Texas where Youpon grows liek a weed bush everywhere. I began drinking this months ago. Kinda minty, power like an energy drink.

1) Pick the leaves
2) Place on a cookie sheet to dry in sun or oven.
3) when golden brown, caffeine is active.
4) steep like tea.
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Why not store freeze dried coffee?
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Bingo Bat Man !
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^^^ This ^^^
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. . . there is a method for long term storage, unless you plan on rotating your roasted/ground coffee on a regular basis-eventually the coffee you have stored will become undrinkable. Or unless you live in the very narrow band of coffee producing countries that are 20 degrees on each side of the equator and 3,000 feet above sea level- coffee in a post-collapse society will disappear quickly. The answer is to purchase green coffee beans. These are the natural unroasted beans. There are many sites available on the internet where you can purchase anywhere from one pound to fifty pound bags. One advantage is that you will save 50% on your coffee budget paying anywhere from $5-7 per pound by purchasing green coffee beans. The prices of coffee have been escalating just as other commodities and the anticipation of future inflation on coffee is expected to continue. If ordering by the internet and paying shipping costs are to be avoided then you could also check your local coffee roaster in the yellow pages and inquire, they may sell you coffee thus avoiding the shipping costs. Most however will make you pay a small fee above their costs to account for their lost profit, it never hurts to ask though.

Now that you have purchased a twenty five pound bag of beans it will arrive in a burlap bag, long term storage in a five gallon bucket and Mylar should follow your preferred method. You may want to store in multiple smaller Mylar bags for extended storage times. At this point the beans are not off gassing so vacuum sealing with oxygen absorbers is possible. Stored in this method your beans will stay fresh from 2-5 years until you decide to roast them. Some Columbian Estate coffees are actually aged prior to roasting and command premium prices.

Read more here:

[link to www.survivalblog.com]
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Green coffee beans can go rancid. I roast my own coffee, and I found this out in my first years.

If youre interested in learning about roasting your own beans, do a search "jiffy pop coffee bean roasting".

It makes a MEAN cup of joe.
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Ilex vomitoria (Yaupon) leaves contain very high caffeine content. The natives would drink high concentration tea in order to vomit in a cleansing ritual (which is where it gets its name). This is now a very common cultivated shrub and an evergreen. You can take the leaves of this plant as well as chicory root to make a coffee substitute. It will have a taste that resembles coffee, but more importantly it will have lots and lots of caffeine, plus it's extremely abundant in the southeast.
 Quoting: Zedakah


This is a perfect solution. Coffee is good, but it became boring to me a while back. I live in Texas where Youpon grows liek a weed bush everywhere. I began drinking this months ago. Kinda minty, power like an energy drink.

1) Pick the leaves
2) Place on a cookie sheet to dry in sun or oven.
3) when golden brown, caffeine is active.
4) steep like tea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1515146


Thanks for the info...never heard of this plant before.

Did a search found great Army Corps pdf. [link to el.erdc.usace.army.mil]

I'm going to try to grow this thing.
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When the Coffee runs out, grow your own Chicory as a replacement. The stuff grows wild in many places.

2 page PDF [link to cals.arizona.edu]
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Great info! Thanks!

I guess I never realized how easy it was to do the roast yourself if needed.
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Yea you can even use one of those small coffee mills and hand crank em
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I used to have one of those, it was great!
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I would think coffee would be the least of your worries in a post-collapse society, sheeeesh.
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Coffee, caffeine is actually an emergency medical supply.

Stimulant, headache remedy (ingredient in OTC painkillers), asthma (caffeine modestly improves airway function for up to four hours), gets rid of cellulite
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I would think coffee would be the least of your worries in a post-collapse society, sheeeesh.
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Coffee, caffeine is actually an emergency medical supply.

Stimulant, headache remedy (ingredient in OTC painkillers), asthma (caffeine modestly improves airway function for up to four hours), gets rid of cellulite
 Quoting: waterlily


Doesn't the military pack caffeine gum for the soldiers?
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Ilex vomitoria (Yaupon) leaves contain very high caffeine content. The natives would drink high concentration tea in order to vomit in a cleansing ritual (which is where it gets its name). This is now a very common cultivated shrub and an evergreen. You can take the leaves of this plant as well as chicory root to make a coffee substitute. It will have a taste that resembles coffee, but more importantly it will have lots and lots of caffeine, plus it's extremely abundant in the southeast.
 Quoting: Zedakah


This is a perfect solution. Coffee is good, but it became boring to me a while back. I live in Texas where Youpon grows liek a weed bush everywhere. I began drinking this months ago. Kinda minty, power like an energy drink.

1) Pick the leaves
2) Place on a cookie sheet to dry in sun or oven.
3) when golden brown, caffeine is active.
4) steep like tea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1515146


Thanks for the info...never heard of this plant before.

Did a search found great Army Corps pdf. [link to el.erdc.usace.army.mil]

I'm going to try to grow this thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40414955


Much better picture here. If you could buy it, plant it and have it survive, then thre is a very good chance it is already growing in the woods near you. Dont buy without looking first. They are everywhere.

[link to www.carolinanature.com]
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Didn't people use ground up acorns following the Civil War. Of course, I mean people in the South who were being starved.

I've always been told that anyway.


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kitty And in Germany & Europe during and after both wars.
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"Coffee bush" grows quite well in the mountains of North and South Carolina, as does "Toothache bush"(coca)-which would certainly improve topical anesthesia in a post collapse society.

A few coffee bushes would be a great addition to the garden. I don't know how blue jays act when they are wired on caffeine, tho' they might become dangerous mini attack drones.





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