Ophiuchus is the "13th zodiac sign", meaning there has to be an opposite 14th sign

Ok for the frypans and the steak knives I say Ophiucus???

Ophiuchus is not "the 13th zodiac sign", it is just a specific name for one of the 12 boundaries between signs that was seen as important.

A zodiac sign is a 30 degree span across the sky..

Ophiuchus is a single point in the sky.

See the difference?

Is it true swedish people get really upset if you pop by without calling first???

What makes you think that we define what the zodiac is or is not? If the zodiac supposedly relates personality characteristics to natal astrological placements, clearly these relationships were not decided by men. Who knows what the zodiac truly is?

Yes.

But we get upset if you call us too, so it's better just popping up anyway, otherwise we get upset twice!

We're an antisocial bunch up here!

I think it's the climate. Human beings weren't created to live in a dark hole nine months a year, it messes with our heads.

OK, you don't get the difference.

Oh well, I tried.

You don't get the difference between man-made and celestial unknown. A zodiac sign is a constellation, but man linked the stars, not heaven. We drew the ecliptic line, we decided to condense the zodiac signs into a more math friendy 12.

It's the other way around. A zodiac sign is a 30 degree span across the sky. The constellations are merely human inventions that were once used as rough markers.

It is of course strange that these mathematically exact 30 degree spans would have any significance whatsoever, but it appears they do.

I'm personally quite good at spotting people born in some signs. I can't always tell what sign someone is if you were to ask me (not everyone give off strong vibes of their sign), but when I just out of the blue happen to get the distinct feeling I am talking to an Aries for instance, then I'm never wrong!

It has happened to me so many times over the years I now see the zodiac as proven fact. I talk to someone and get the feeling of possessiveness and stubbornness and heavy body presence that is typical of Taurus, I ask "you're a Taurus, aren't you?", and I'm always right!

This means the 30 degree spans are indeed accurate. If they weren't, then I wouldn't recognize those born in a certain zodiac sign correctly.

Ophiuchus is an important constellation in ancient astronomy, but it is not one of the 12 zodiac constellations. It does sit on the same band of the ecliptic (the circle through the sky which the sun and planets are always visible) so it shares the "path" of the zodiac... it also has great symbolic meaning.

Read End Times and 2019, towards the end it has a lot to say about Ophiuchus and symbolism in Bible Astronomy.

The zodiac system that you are referring to is the tropical zodiac. It seems the one I am talking about is the sidereal one. There is no real difference between the two, however. The 30 degree margins are based on the occupations of the stars. They are called star signs after all, not ecliptic signs. The ecliptic itself is a lie. Who's to say an imaginary line shoud exlude Orion and barely include Ophiuchus. The accepted 12 signs plus Orion and Ophiuchus all form a tight circle around the sun. This circle should form the "true" ecliptic. It's nonsense to think that the zodiac has to be "perfect" mathematically. Who says the signs represnt 4 elements?

Turns out I didn't quite know what the ecliptic was. I only knew of it as a circular line that encompasses the zodiac. It's apparently just how we see the sun move across the stars. It never occurred to me how unscientific the zodiac remains even to this day. The ecpliptic is just based on sight. Also, I wonder why a zodiac sign is required to be on any line at all? Hell it makes you woner, maybe there are 24 zodiac signs in total.

Anyways i'm giving too much credit to a flawed system. There's no such thing as signs and whatnot, although they are a good means of identification. It just has to do with the positions of heavenly bodies, in this case at your birth. There's really no reason someone can't be born with their Sun in Orion when you think about it. Sun signs weren't even a thing until 1930 apparently, so I wonder what astrology was like before that.

Of course, the big question is how did people first come to find a correlation between birth dates and perdonalities. Not to mention birth astrology merely scratches the surface of astrology. All these "coincidences" in astrology and still the scientific community considers it pseudoscience. They just haven't got the brains to make sense of the stars and planets and their affects on life on earth, I suppose.

The system may be flawed, but it actually works remarkably well. The personality types of people are in great agreement with their horoscopes. You should study it before you dismiss it.

But then, most who dismiss astrology don't really understand what different personality types is about in the first place, so the evidence is lost on them.

Try me, I do not mind if you are wrong and am not trying to prove you wrong, just want to see what you get, what birth sign am I?

Please :)

No, actually I am quite fascinated by astrology. I mostly agree with what my natal chart has to say about me. The manor in which this science is commonly conducted is what's wrong. I say the sun was closest to the constellation Orion when I was born. I don't yet know if this is true, but a dream I once had made me feel that was my sign. Plus, I have a bit of a messiah complex, and being an Orion really ties in.

Jesus was born when the sun was in Virgo: (Revelation 12:1) at new moon, which relates to the Jewish feast of Rosh Hoshana.

Orion does also represent Christ, but so do many other constellations. Some Christian writers into biblical astrology claim that the whole redemptive story of Christ is in the stars (Psalms 19), so the theme is in all Zodiac Constellations, but the Zodiac in ancient times seemed to begin at Virgo and end in Leo -- one reason for sphinxes all over the place.

there is 16 signs

end thread

Jesus is an 8/19 Leo

Light enters from the North Star, Adam Kadmon

That's Level 1, or 5

Level 2 is Ursa Minor

Level 3 is Ursa Major

Merack is 4, 004

MIR AC EL

Light becomes Animal Zodiac Leo Virgo Sphinx Gold Cobra

Level 5

Moon Childs Glass Ceiling Mecca - refraction

Moon is 9 Moon is Womb Moon is Matrix Moon is Tomb

Black Cube Death Star Daat Data Darth Star

Level 6 Saturn Wants to be 6 but Saturn is 33

333 is Choronzon the Entity at the bottom of the Abyss

Level 7 is Christ Consciousness 7 is Isosceles

7 is fallen disconnected from the Supernals

7 is the height of Man

Level 8 is ogdoad Wisdom Wizard, what comes after Understanding and Linear Time