Wealthy Californians: "We Are All Not Equal When It Comes To Water" | |
Relativity User ID: 69335637 United States 06/14/2015 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When water becomes a commodity and not a human right. Water... oxygen.. everyone needs it. Having more money doesn't make you better than humans who have less, it just makes you have more money than them. The individualist attitude is in the opposite mindset that this planet needs. We can remain individuals and still be a part of the global family, community. Some sacrifices must be made collectively and having more money doesn't exclude you from the global population, or set you above and exempt from its struggles. For many though, a person's value is measured in their capitol, not on the content of their character. Money is the god of the material minded and those who have more of it see themselves as the elite among its servants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69475165 “In finding balance between lies and trust there will never be a better source than to speak your truth or make your peace some other way.” ~Sully Erna Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. -Gandalph "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67064280 United States 06/14/2015 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you know what i never understood, is why submarines never run out of water... interesting how technology is scalable and nobody in power seems to want to put it into use, or even develop it.... over half of california is bordered by a freaking ocean! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28308665 It's easy to get water when you have limitless energy from your own nuclear powered generator... they only have to supply water for a few hundred people and they have a 100 Megawatt reactor at their disposal. They take the steam and evaporate the seawater, which leaves the salt behind. They then condense it into clean drinking water. Doing this on the scale that California needs to solve their water crisis would take a whole fleet of nuclear power plants... good luck getting that done in a blue state. |
Lil Sis User ID: 11213558 United States 06/14/2015 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the rich elite fail to understand is that the water is almost gone. Quoting: Crunch62 Unless we get a few very wet years in the near future, the reservoirs will reach dead pool status and water will not be available at any price. If there is no water, there is no water. It is very simple. It will not come to that. They will at least try to confiscate the water from the Columbia River. The have had the Longshoremens Union shut down all the west coast ports that ship the agricultural products from Washington and Idaho so that the Columbia Basin irrigation project will be less significant so far as food production goes. They will somehow deal with the salmon issue they have manufactured And they will introduce the idea of a pipeline to haul our NW water to California. They have been trying to get it for years. How can you say it will not come to that when the infrastructure is not there? 1 year is not enough to build from the ground up. Of course they cannot build a pipeline in 1 year. but they can start the process of confiscation of NW water. California and Californians will have to make some painful choices. Perhaps send the illegals back to Nicaragua, cut back ag by not growing hay for export, alternate day watering, etc etc. They have known of the water pinch for some time now and done NOTHING but hope for the best and do what they can to kill what agriculture is left, which is about 1/2 of what it was a dozen years ago. California has engineered this crisis ... ask yourself why. ************************************************************************ Corruptisima re publica plurimae leges. ~ Terence |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69505526 United Kingdom 06/14/2015 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of the quotes from this article are amazing. Here in Texas, during our drought, we were drinking recycled "pee pee/poo poo" water. Obviously some of these people believe water rationing is for "the little people not us!" Quoting: twortle Some quotes [Less than 50%]: ___________________________________________________________ “California used to be the land of opportunity and freedom,” Barbre said. “It’s slowly becoming the land of one group telling everybody else how they think everybody should live their lives.” [You just now figuring that out genius?] ____________________________________________________________ “It angers me because people aren’t looking at the overall picture,” Butler said. “What are we supposed to do, just have dirt around our house on four acres?” ____________________________________________________________ Drought or no drought, Steve Yuhas resents the idea that it is somehow shameful to be a water hog. If you can pay for it, he argues, you should get your water. People “should not be forced to live on property with brown lawns, golf on brown courses or apologize for wanting their gardens to be beautiful,” Yuhas fumed recently on social media. “We pay significant property taxes based on where we live,” he added in an interview. “And, no, we’re not all equal when it comes to water.” ___________________________________________________________ April, after Gov. Jerry Brown (D) called for a 25 percent reduction in water use, consumption in Rancho Santa Fe went up by 9 percent. [Socialism is for the PEOPLE not the Socialists] ___________________________________________________________ [link to www.washingtonpost.com] That is no different from the average white american thinking they are above black people or are above muslims. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69105810 United States 06/14/2015 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have ZERO sympathy for Cali. They keep bring illegals in and they require water, so suck it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68476552 So Cali is bringing illegals in? How? Cali, the state, is physically bringing the illegals in? How? And can you please get me a link to a study that shows how much more water does an illegal use than a legal person? CA has the most illegal-friendly sanctuary city policies in the country and they just voted to make illegals eligible for Covered California, the state's Obamacare exchange. They couldn't physically bring them in any quicker if they tried. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66159721 United States 06/14/2015 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. Legal citizens must ration and pay more for their water so that the 5 MILLION illegal aliens in California can have their fair share. The cost of illegal immigration is spread throughout average citizens, with the poor and middle class bearing the heaviest burden. We ALL pay more for utilities, housing, education, healthcare, food and infrastructure because of illegal immigrants. Unfortunately for Californians, they lead the way in all categories. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69105810 |
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Boss Moss User ID: 38574718 United States 06/14/2015 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Boss Moss Does that go for Detroit as well? They should get their water by 'thinking outside the box'? I thought this was about California. But, hey, why not. If anyone there owns their land and has the know how to put in and maintain a well, then sure. But people are too use to sitting in their nests with their mouths open, waiting for mama bird to come feed them. Why should the state you live in affect whether or not your access to water was a human right? What about people who rent - should they get their water by 'thinking outside the box' as well? Just trying to get a handle on who is allowed water as a human right and who should be forced to get their own water by 'thinking outside the box'. Usually people who rent live in apartments or smaller homes, and therefore don't consume as much water as people with larger amounts of land, swimming pools, golf courses, etc... Therefore, the 'cutbacks' wouldn't apply to them. So people who live in apartments can take hour long showers and flush the toilet for fun - but if you own land then you are dubbed a water waster who needs to conserve? What if you rent a home? Can you water your lawn because you rent and are 'generally considered' to be a non water waster? Your propsal and class division rationing makes no sense when applied evenly to all. |
Boss Moss User ID: 38574718 United States 06/14/2015 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 80% of California's Water is used for AGRICULTURE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52154903 WhY in the fack do they grow IRRIGATED RICE of all things in California? The evaporation from flooding the fields is IMMENSE? Talk about a crop that is EASILY grown in WATER RICH areas of the US! Why in the fact do they grow IRRIGATED COTTON of all things in California? Talk about another crop that is EASILY that is easily grown in WATER RICH areas of the US!! Why in the fact do they grow IRRIGATED HAY of all things in California? Talk about a third crop that is EASILY grown in WATER RICH areas of the US!! California Agriculture is the BIGGEST WATER WASTER there is in California! Yet there are virtually NO RESTRICTIONS BEING IMPOSED ON IT!! California is a DESERT Climate!! The ONLY agricultural products that should be gown there during times of drought are those crops that are NOT EASILY GROWN ELSEWHERE! Cut Agricultural water use by 25% and the entire urban areas could DOUBLE the amount of water they consume (increase use by 100% for those of your mathematically challenged). California is clearly overusing water ... but it is the farmers and agricultural interests that ARE TO BLAME!!, not the urban areas. Gee, if only there was some relatively new agricultural crop that was being grown - often hydroponically - that might be a huge drain on the water supply that could be identified for causing this. You know, one that isn't used primarily as a food stuff but as a drug abused for personal pleasure. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69491348 United States 06/14/2015 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46576536 Geez, you are an asshole. No fine will fill the reservoirs. When the water is gone, it's gone. Your home will be useless. No blame game will make a difference. All you need to do is look at the last 2 letters of his handle to realize he is lying. Lol. I'm from NY. That is why my handle ends with NY. I've been living in San Jose for the past 7 years. If I was from NY or Ca, I'd never advertise it. You are part of the problem. Perhaps YOU could put a cover on your pool, and build your own desalinization plant, with solar power. He is an American. Most importantly he is a citizen of our World. You are not any better than anyone, you fucking bigot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1626233 United States 06/14/2015 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't matter. The wealthy lawn waterers are only a small percentage of the already very small percentage (4%) of personal residential use. A mere drop compared to the ocean of water that's being sucked up for agriculture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55611245 Besides which, California is going to flood from el nino next winter. Those homeowners should be checking their roofs and stocking up on plastic tarps. Big corps, city, and industry also. So many greenbelts around warehouses, in parking lots of auto shops, in front of stores on a busy highway, why can't they have artificial turf by the roadside, or green rock? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69491348 United States 06/14/2015 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only a race as damn dumb as humans could come up with a way to "charge" people for a natural resource that without we would die. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69491348 Earth - Gotta be the only planet in the universe where you have to pay someone else to simply live. That is why we are quarantined and I don't blame them one damn bit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1593102 United States 06/14/2015 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Redwood trees dying up North from the drought but these guys get to PAY the fines for the water that the trees need! That's a luxury they don't deserve. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69100987 A majestic Redwood, or a golf course. Oops sorry, Redwood tree can't pay. The guy actually argues that they should not have to play golf on a brown golf course! Who ARE these people? They are the AMERICAN CITIZENS who already pay 80% of the nation's tax burden. Taxes are proportionate to income idiot. The bottom 90% arn't making enough income to pay more taxes. The more you take, the more you're expected to give, sounds fair. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1593102 United States 06/14/2015 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just did the math... for reference, it would take about 10,000 nuclear power plants to supply all of California's water needs by desalination. Quoting: R. Wordsworth There are currently only about 500 nuclear power plants in the world today. Don't be a negative Nelly, we need to get building right now. Besides, isn't a little bit of radiation good for you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68521695 United States 06/14/2015 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After moving from Los Angeles to the East Coast you really get a reality check on how bad the drought is. It's really bad in Cali right now, but when I lived there it was easy to not care because water was always available. I think they should just shut off water for a day there and give people a reality check into their future. Some of the quotes from this article are amazing. Here in Texas, during our drought, we were drinking recycled "pee pee/poo poo" water. Obviously some of these people believe water rationing is for "the little people not us!" Quoting: twortle Some quotes [Less than 50%]: ___________________________________________________________ “California used to be the land of opportunity and freedom,” Barbre said. “It’s slowly becoming the land of one group telling everybody else how they think everybody should live their lives.” [You just now figuring that out genius?] ____________________________________________________________ “It angers me because people aren’t looking at the overall picture,” Butler said. “What are we supposed to do, just have dirt around our house on four acres?” ____________________________________________________________ Drought or no drought, Steve Yuhas resents the idea that it is somehow shameful to be a water hog. If you can pay for it, he argues, you should get your water. People “should not be forced to live on property with brown lawns, golf on brown courses or apologize for wanting their gardens to be beautiful,” Yuhas fumed recently on social media. “We pay significant property taxes based on where we live,” he added in an interview. “And, no, we’re not all equal when it comes to water.” ___________________________________________________________ April, after Gov. Jerry Brown (D) called for a 25 percent reduction in water use, consumption in Rancho Santa Fe went up by 9 percent. [Socialism is for the PEOPLE not the Socialists] ___________________________________________________________ [link to www.washingtonpost.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69357931 United States 06/14/2015 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68476552 YOU ARE missing the point Einstein, If you don't have enough water for your own people why would you want more. That's just plain irresponsible. If you can't see that I can't help you. STEP ONE CLOSE THE BORDERS DOWN COMPLETELY. I am not missing the point, you just don't know how to communicate properly. I don't blame you though, I blame the Kardashians, of which you are an avid fan. We don't want more Illegal aliens crossing the border but yet, they still come as Illegals don't gauge our interest in their decision to cross border, they just do. No, you can't help me. You are obviously a sheep. Closing the border is a Federal government matter, not a state one, and just FYI, most Illegal crossing is done thru Texas. You cali idiots just handed them a free college education and drivers licenses. I'm done with you fool. Great logic. Too bad you won't be running for office. Murica' needs more like you. I've lived in California and seen many examples of such incomplete logic. Yes you don't want them but you get them anyway. The logical thing is to cut their benefits, so that you pay less and they have less incentive to flood your state esp. with their children, who are not currently productive and will not be more productive later (I am being kind here) than most existing American children. And yet you don't take the logical step and do it, and pretend there's no logic behind the idea. Or maybe you can't connect those dots. Why are you being apparently obtuse here? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67594723 United States 06/14/2015 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just did the math... for reference, it would take about 10,000 nuclear power plants to supply all of California's water needs by desalination. Quoting: R. Wordsworth There are currently only about 500 nuclear power plants in the world today. If the hidden tech methods are not exposed there will be problems for California. |
usa1961 User ID: 65268336 United States 06/14/2015 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of the quotes from this article are amazing. Here in Texas, during our drought, we were drinking recycled "pee pee/poo poo" water. Obviously some of these people believe water rationing is for "the little people not us!" Quoting: twortle Some quotes [Less than 50%]: ___________________________________________________________ “California used to be the land of opportunity and freedom,” Barbre said. “It’s slowly becoming the land of one group telling everybody else how they think everybody should live their lives.” [You just now figuring that out genius?] ____________________________________________________________ “It angers me because people aren’t looking at the overall picture,” Butler said. “What are we supposed to do, just have dirt around our house on four acres?” ____________________________________________________________ Drought or no drought, Steve Yuhas resents the idea that it is somehow shameful to be a water hog. If you can pay for it, he argues, you should get your water. People “should not be forced to live on property with brown lawns, golf on brown courses or apologize for wanting their gardens to be beautiful,” Yuhas fumed recently on social media. “We pay significant property taxes based on where we live,” he added in an interview. “And, no, we’re not all equal when it comes to water.” ___________________________________________________________ April, after Gov. Jerry Brown (D) called for a 25 percent reduction in water use, consumption in Rancho Santa Fe went up by 9 percent. [Socialism is for the PEOPLE not the Socialists] ___________________________________________________________ [link to www.washingtonpost.com] That is no different from the average white american thinking they are above black people or are above muslims. im white and I see myself as EQUAL to everyone regardless of your skin color. me thinks this poster is a dark skinned racist trying to point the racsit finger at a white to change the room topic. go figure for the dark skinned right? they cant keep on topic must turn the topic to race stop blamming, start doing something for yourself. whites wont always be here to support you. |
usa1961 User ID: 65268336 United States 06/14/2015 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | factoid #1 on water rights. IT IS NOT FREE! You want your water to come out of the tap for free. Someone has to be at the water main station insuring it is flowing watching for pipe breaks taking calls for new and existing cusotmers, who is paying them the waterworks people who get the water to you who? do you believe they d this for free? water is a need but not a full right when so many people are sucking it out of the rivers an lakes stop blamming, start doing something for yourself. whites wont always be here to support you. |
Debauchery User ID: 69498563 United States 06/14/2015 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh dear god, a brown golf course. Say it isn't so. And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
ozzyny User ID: 68654585 United States 06/14/2015 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ozzyny I am not missing the point, you just don't know how to communicate properly. I don't blame you though, I blame the Kardashians, of which you are an avid fan. We don't want more Illegal aliens crossing the border but yet, they still come as Illegals don't gauge our interest in their decision to cross border, they just do. No, you can't help me. You are obviously a sheep. Closing the border is a Federal government matter, not a state one, and just FYI, most Illegal crossing is done thru Texas. You cali idiots just handed them a free college education and drivers licenses. I'm done with you fool. Great logic. Too bad you won't be running for office. Murica' needs more like you. I've lived in California and seen many examples of such incomplete logic. Yes you don't want them but you get them anyway. The logical thing is to cut their benefits, so that you pay less and they have less incentive to flood your state esp. with their children, who are not currently productive and will not be more productive later (I am being kind here) than most existing American children. And yet you don't take the logical step and do it, and pretend there's no logic behind the idea. Or maybe you can't connect those dots. Why are you being apparently obtuse here? This thread is not about Immigration. This thread is about the drought in Cali. Unless you can demonstrate Illegal aliens are the ones causing this problem then you should start a separate thread. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22599379 United States 06/14/2015 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am going to enjoy the day that the masses swarm all over these Rancho Santa Fe pigs and take everything they own. Did they not learn anything from the French or Russian revolutions? Do not piss off the masses...or they will come for you. |
Dee49 User ID: 67065650 United States 06/14/2015 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are those of us that do think about this and have for a very long time. I practice permaculture and made a hugelkultur bed 2 years ago knowing where we are headed. This is how my food production is done. Any watering done on drip or by hand. I have let my grass die, my daughter next door, corner lot same thing. Now I notice my neighbors are beginning to show stress in their lawns. We don't flush regularly, I also have 32 oz jars with rocks in the toilet tank. Our town has a waste water treatment plant so all water recycled. In regards to the hay being grown it is because dairy is huge in certain areas and bringing it in is costly. Dairy uses a lot of water. I think eventually dairy will be pitted against farming. I still see a lot of waste and a great deal with municipalities: school districts, city. It is very frustrating. |
The Old Timer User ID: 64134821 United States 06/14/2015 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The really bad thing about this is there will be a fine for overusing the water, and those rich people will pay it. Taking the water from everyone else. I say just cut them off when they've reached their limit. Maybe that'll get the message to those spoiled and entitled people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69100987 Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69454175 United States 06/14/2015 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The really bad thing about this is there will be a fine for overusing the water, and those rich people will pay it. Taking the water from everyone else. I say just cut them off when they've reached their limit. Maybe that'll get the message to those spoiled and entitled people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69100987 Here's an idea for some "wealth redistribution" Give every person in California an equal amount of water credits. If dumbass is disturbed about having to look at his brown lawn he can buy water credits from the "poor folk" who live on a postage size plot with no lawn to worry about. |