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I'm going into rehab to get off Suboxone... a drug they put me on to get off drugs. | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22727659  United States01/24/2016 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With everything in my life right now - It's time I make a choice... and I'm in the prime of my life... and the only thing scaring me - is detox. They put me on Benzos and Suboxone six years ago to keep me off Oxycod0ne - and now I'm addicted to the Suboxone and Benzos! - I can't dream. It's lowering my testosterone levels. It's holding me back. I'm spending a new car payment a month on it... Quoting: The Real Jack So I called the local clinic... and I can get it for a 10 day detox, and during that 10 day detox they are going to use my insurance to find a in-patient facility (I have 10/90% co-insurance for inpatient... Thank god for that) So... just yeah. I'll be going in Monday. Going to spend the weekend with this new girl I met... she supports the decision... If anyone here has ever 'detoxed' off opiates before... I use to be so embarrassed because I'd never give my self enough clean time.... and I'd (Bearing my fucking heart and soul here) - I ejaculate in like one minute... but on suboxone? I can last and last and last... But now, as I'm getting older.. I can't even finish - just kill me now. So... I have to go through 10 or so days of hell. Then a couple months of "Okay, this is reality." - also, probably not a lot of sleep. But what is 90 days of my life... if I can just see the end of the rainbow, the 90 days mean nothing in the big picture. Fuck the pharmaceutical having me held hostage. PLUS, people like ME RIGHT NOW would be the first to go if SHTF - I want to be 100% pure. Clean. The way God intended me to be. Like I said... I go in Monday (they have a bed then) - and... Yeah. Um. Send some prayers or good thoughts over the next month about some guy named Jack in Tampa Bay.... It's worth it. I can do it. What is a a month of hell for a life time of being broken free from the chains? - Jack Dude I'm sorry but suboxone believe it or not is the longest lastinpain reliever on the planet, followed by methadone. Your in for a long ass trip. They say you need to cut how long you've been on suboxone in half, and thats about how long it will take you to be normal again. So in your case you were on sub for 6 years, so you'd need to ween down for 3 years if you wanted to get through it withdrawal free, which I suggest you do.....I'm a heavy opiate user, I started with methadone, was introduced with one of the most dangerous drugs out there, was on an off a lot, been in rehab once, no success, I had better luck doinit myself but in the long run , no success... I'm not trying to bring you down but you need to know from someone that's be there.....I think you should save your self at least 10-12 sub's, split them into 4, if there the 8 mg... Strips are a lot easier to split into equal doses..... Take 1-2 pieces of 1-2mg a piece every other day... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70840799 United States01/24/2016 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP you remind me of many people I have seen walk through doors at AA and NA. When they walk in all cheerful and happy that they are ready to quit but they are still high. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21419841 When they walk in defeated, humbled, scared and ready to do anything to stop hurting and make the obsession go away, those are the ones who have the best chance. Look into those first three steps and make the God of the Bible your King instead of King Benzo and King Sub. You're putting the demands of the addiction contingent upon the relationship with you or said addict. I'm so fucking scared. Depressed. Running on all 8 cylinders (and it's a 5.9 so it eats gas) - I spent six years in the rooms... It's the fellow ship that makes it work. Rat Heaven man. 48 more hours and bye bye. It's so cold in Florida... like 52.... I'll be plenty humbled. I don't like this approach, at all. "Hurt MORE and then you qualify to be as GOOD as you should be... with our help." - I'm just living ONE happy day at a time.. and scared. Like a fucking child calling Mommy saying hold my keys, I can't see my daughter for two months, Daddy going away for a bit. Maybe you'll attend one of the "incoming" meetings? Been doing for 12 years with your Sponsor, right? Almost every Wednesday... Smug smile while I'm shaking in the meeting. Grrr. >>>"Hurt MORE and then you qualify to be as GOOD as you should be... with our help." - LOL. No, Jack, it's really more like "Hurt MORE and you'll be more willing to listen and learn."  True fact. She's right. Truth is, no matter who tells you how to change, no one can ultimately change you but you. It's a commitment you must make to yourself if you really want to CHANGE. That being said, I hope that you are ready to help yourself. Good luck with it all. |
spiritnut  User ID: 7847990 United States01/24/2016 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Luck to you Jack. I work in rehab - we have a Suboxone program but the idea is to be weaned off within 1 year...not to endure eternity. My concern is Benzos with Suboxone s a lethal cocktail, why on earth would you be on both??? Sometimes the taper from Benzos is 8-10 weeks - it should be a gradual process, or else you risk having a seizure. Be safe, and keep us posted... Question everything |
| The Real Jack (OP) User ID: 66822930 United States01/24/2016 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'll be sure to be nice to the nurses and CNA's who take my vitals. Not my fault they have to do at 6am... I'll be a good boy. But I want this SO BAD. I really feel as if I can.... be the man I've wanted to be, with NOTHING holding me back - no Big Pharma. Just Rum and Hash, remember, Lucy, if you get drunk it's rum and hash, if you smoke weed you fuckin' get whorish. - 9am is coming fast. Just be happy - yet question everything. |
| The Real Jack (OP) User ID: 66822930 United States02/02/2016 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's $1000 off my deductible and then with a max out of pocket of $1750 I'll go into the 28 day program and probably want to spend an extra week - Perks of insurance and not lying like BERNIE: My own room. Head first, this is my fault, I accept it. Yet because of all this money I worked for (prepaid rent for two months... my landlady loves me in a weird maternal way (she has no kids) - My own mother and I are so much alike we'd argue until a Bucs Game (NFL keeps our family together, we like bread and circuses) - come from 3 generations, yes, 3 generations, and even a step-dad - of public school teachers. So.... off I go. 1pm tomorrow. I just threw the rest of my pills into a garbage can with my LL and she went out and.... they are gone. I love Band of Brothers - WW2 stuff... and I think... if those guys could survive 12 days of fighting during D-Day just to be sent back a few months later... What is me fighting... my self? Rat Park: I love that Ted talk. Sooo I love you GLP, and I finally got a bed - legally. Doing it right. It's not too late. I have the opportunity to do it now with the money save to prepay rent for 2 months, move, get hired and then cherrypick over (pool care) Honestly? One HAPPY day at a time... Because, when kicking and rolling and screaming out loud... I'll laugh and remember, I'm free now. You'll never get me again. Just be happy - yet question everything. |
| The Real Jack (OP) User ID: 66822930 United States02/02/2016 12:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 4mgs of Subutex daily, Benzo Trashcan since DR dropped me over marijuana (30-40mgs of Valium, 2-4mgs of Kpin... 2mg of Xanax) Plus a lot of alcohol.... a lot. Then also, nasal spray. So I confess my sins. and if there is a God.... Guide me through this shit. I will see you all in 40 days, maybe a few weeks longer - and until Super Tuesday it's all... gravy. :) Send prayers. I'm hitting the book store before I go - any book suggestions? Just be happy - yet question everything. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2114634 United States02/02/2016 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 4mgs of Subutex daily, Benzo Trashcan since DR dropped me over marijuana (30-40mgs of Valium, 2-4mgs of Kpin... 2mg of Xanax) Plus a lot of alcohol.... a lot. Quoting: The Real Jack Then also, nasal spray. So I confess my sins. and if there is a God.... Guide me through this shit. I will see you all in 40 days, maybe a few weeks longer - and until Super Tuesday it's all... gravy. :) Send prayers. I'm hitting the book store before I go - any book suggestions? You got this friend, you want this and you can do this...God be with you and for books, I actually like Dean Koontz books, the scary ones and also if you like adventure books and if you're a nerd like me, Fantasy books called Dragonlance by Tracy Hickman and Margaret Weiss..there are so many of them too, they made up to 14 that I can think of and I read all of them and I loved them. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70006054  United Kingdom02/02/2016 02:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi again, I'm that lady that was doing codiene detox at the start of your thread.i don't even know how long it's been but in physically completely over it.i still have trouble sleeping but you know what? When I wake up in the morning,it feels good to be alive!! Sending love and prayers for you friend! You can do it!! |
| RamonACABfury User ID: 24998117 United States02/02/2016 02:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been addicted to opiates off and on for years. Shooting up H, dilaudids, roxys.. Anything I could my hands on. The person that suggested loperamide was on point. It will take away all wds. But its technically an opiate so you'll need to ween off it but its easy to do. Although if u take too much it WILL get you high. But avoid that by not taking a huge amount. Exercise is key. It will raise your dopamine lvls for hrs plus its healthy. When I was going through wds I'd workout and be amazed how much better I'd feel after 15 or 20 mins. Best of luck to you. Proud of you for taking your life back. The guy that said his life is awesome shooting dope is just lying to himself. His life will come crashing down at some point. Look forward to hearing how you're doing after those 10 days. |
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| The Real Jack (OP) User ID: 66822930 United States02/06/2016 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Place A wanted $1000 via insurance for a 3-5 stay for a Detox This was First Step in Sarasota. They could not guarantee me my insurance would pay for a 30 day residential. So I didn't pay for February's premium (A Silver Plan for the Marketplace - Aetna silver with a $1000 deductible) so then looked towards CenterStone in Manatee County. After spending eight hours in the "Access Center" I was finally taken into the back and was told they can get me a bed! It was nerve wracking. But, it was for the 3-5 day 'detox' - in which, even the doctors agreed, would be of no help if I didn't have a 30 day program waiting for me. While waiting for the entire day - I noticed many people leaving detox and... medically not going to die, yet If I was a gambling man I'd say 90% relapsed that same day. I'm coming off medicine they put me on to get me off drugs at 21. I'm 31. Finally in a place in life where I have the time, money, and willingness to not be a slave to a doctor and medication that cost enough for a BMW carpayment monthly with bad credit. $10,000 for a 30 day program? This kneejerk "Silver" plan that apparently only works in Manatee and Sarasota county apparently doesn't consider "30 day inpatient stay" medically necessary. It seems as I'm running in circles. I just want help - and it seems to me - that the State of Florida doesn't want to help. Addiction is a horrible nightmare, money making machine - from the recovery side to maintenance medicine doctor side. Please help, Centerstone (the new Glenns) - Please help. Literally running in circles. Just be happy - yet question everything. |
| YOUCITY User ID: 70744186 United States02/06/2016 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I detoxed off of heroin plenty of times but it was nothing compared to detoxing off suboxne , it was hell on earth that I thought would never end , it lasted about 10 months & for the first 6 months I could not sleep at all ! I thought I was gonna go crazy but by the grace of god I made it through. I hope it goes better for you than it did for me OP. |
| YOUCITY User ID: 70744186 United States02/06/2016 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 4mgs of Subutex daily, Benzo Trashcan since DR dropped me over marijuana (30-40mgs of Valium, 2-4mgs of Kpin... 2mg of Xanax) Plus a lot of alcohol.... a lot. Quoting: The Real Jack Then also, nasal spray. So I confess my sins. and if there is a God.... Guide me through this shit. I will see you all in 40 days, maybe a few weeks longer - and until Super Tuesday it's all... gravy. :) Send prayers. I'm hitting the book store before I go - any book suggestions? I was being prescribed 8mg/day Suboxone for over 12 months & 120/1mg Xanax for years , but it was more like 240/1mg Xanax sims months , 90/30mg adderall for years and lots & lots of high grade cannabis everyday Sober from heroin since '11 & got off the suboxne at the end of '12 , haven't touched anything but weed since , and a little alcohol once in awhile Suboxne is the devil , all drugs are but especially the synthetic ones |
| Booger Cancer User ID: 70513382 United States02/06/2016 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To aid in the detox I'd take a tablespoon of sesame oil each day along with 400 mCg of selenomethionine if it were me. It could lessen the withdrawal symptoms. Yes, I did cure my Stage 4 cancer in two weeks when I was 48. I also reversed my chronic kidney disease (glomerulonephritis) when I was 25. In neither case were any medical treatments involved. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71407025 United States02/06/2016 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are some very good suggestions here, but the treatment center will in the end determine your path. i have very detailed experience helping people detox naturslly using over the counter and health store supplies. the initial dope sick aint bad if, IF, you can sleep. done right, it should last only a few days. there is a therapy pattern one must follow to get 'er done tho... it is tough, but not the tough part. the tough part is PAWS. post-acute withdrawl syndrom. this can last two weeks, or two years. want advice, i will lurk a while. |
| Booger Cancer User ID: 70513382 United States02/06/2016 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are some very good suggestions here, but the treatment center will in the end determine your path. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71407025 i have very detailed experience helping people detox naturslly using over the counter and health store supplies. the initial dope sick aint bad if, IF, you can sleep. done right, it should last only a few days. there is a therapy pattern one must follow to get 'er done tho... it is tough, but not the tough part. the tough part is PAWS. post-acute withdrawl syndrom. this can last two weeks, or two years. want advice, i will lurk a while. The post acute withdrawal syndrome is what the selenomethionine and sesame oil can help with, as well as with the acute withdrawal. Yes, I did cure my Stage 4 cancer in two weeks when I was 48. I also reversed my chronic kidney disease (glomerulonephritis) when I was 25. In neither case were any medical treatments involved. |
| The Real Jack (OP) User ID: 66822930 United States02/06/2016 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To aid in the detox I'd take a tablespoon of sesame oil each day along with 400 mCg of selenomethionine if it were me. Quoting: Booger Cancer It could lessen the withdrawal symptoms. Thanks Booger - and YOUCITY, shit like that scares me - 6 months? Every person is different yet 3-5 days, and then kicked to the curb - that would... be pointless. I'm tempted to steal a candy bar at Walmart and walk out with it so I can spend 30 days in jail. Seriously. "Sir, your bond is $50." 'Nope, I'd rather wait to see the Judge in 34 days.." Honestly... driving me nuts. Just be happy - yet question everything. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71407025 United States02/06/2016 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are some very good suggestions here, but the treatment center will in the end determine your path. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71407025 i have very detailed experience helping people detox naturslly using over the counter and health store supplies. the initial dope sick aint bad if, IF, you can sleep. done right, it should last only a few days. there is a therapy pattern one must follow to get 'er done tho... it is tough, but not the tough part. the tough part is PAWS. post-acute withdrawl syndrom. this can last two weeks, or two years. want advice, i will lurk a while. The post acute withdrawal syndrome is what the selenomethionine and sesame oil can help with, as well as with the acute withdrawal. i help people adjust via a vitamin, mineral, amino acid stack with proper nutritional intake. the AMINO, esp the L-tyrosine is a pretty good. they are all good when stacked properly. look up the thomas recipe. i formulate detoxes off of that based on how people come into the picture. with the right prep work, its cake until PAWS... the best remedy for PAWS is listed above with exercise, lots of water and contant exercise. |
| The Real Jack (OP) User ID: 66822930 United States02/06/2016 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just be happy - yet question everything. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59630342 United States02/06/2016 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With everything in my life right now - It's time I make a choice... and I'm in the prime of my life... and the only thing scaring me - is detox. They put me on Benzos and Suboxone six years ago to keep me off Oxycod0ne - and now I'm addicted to the Suboxone and Benzos! - I can't dream. It's lowering my testosterone levels. It's holding me back. I'm spending a new car payment a month on it... Quoting: The Real Jack So I called the local clinic... and I can get it for a 10 day detox, and during that 10 day detox they are going to use my insurance to find a in-patient facility (I have 10/90% co-insurance for inpatient... Thank god for that) So... just yeah. I'll be going in Monday. Going to spend the weekend with this new girl I met... she supports the decision... If anyone here has ever 'detoxed' off opiates before... I use to be so embarrassed because I'd never give my self enough clean time.... and I'd (Bearing my fucking heart and soul here) - I ejaculate in like one minute... but on suboxone? I can last and last and last... But now, as I'm getting older.. I can't even finish - just kill me now. So... I have to go through 10 or so days of hell. Then a couple months of "Okay, this is reality." - also, probably not a lot of sleep. But what is 90 days of my life... if I can just see the end of the rainbow, the 90 days mean nothing in the big picture. Fuck the pharmaceutical having me held hostage. PLUS, people like ME RIGHT NOW would be the first to go if SHTF - I want to be 100% pure. Clean. The way God intended me to be. Like I said... I go in Monday (they have a bed then) - and... Yeah. Um. Send some prayers or good thoughts over the next month about some guy named Jack in Tampa Bay.... It's worth it. I can do it. What is a a month of hell for a life time of being broken free from the chains? - Jack I hate to say it, but you are just mentally weak. I used to shot roxies and oxies and all kinds of shit, and one day I realized I was sick of being broke and feeling dopesick, and I quit cold turkey. If I can do it, anybody can. Are you very wealthy? Are you not tired of being broke and feeling bad? Your dopesick will go away almost completly after a month, and you will be 100% in 2 or 3 months. Trust me, I have been there. Quit being weak and take your life back. Also, you have to quit hanging out with all the other users. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71407025 United States02/06/2016 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm willing to try and do a 3-5 detox at the facility and then come home stocked up with all these " supplies " - landlady said she'd pull a Basketball Diaries and nail my door shut, take away my phone and car keys - and she'll take me out in the mornings to walk the beach, exercise, etc - Like I said, running in circles. Quoting: The Real Jack if you have it set up and ready, take the in-patient. talk to people and learn the basics of nutrition. quite honestly, i see most people relapse at or around day 40-60. some die. sad, but that is what happened in my own family. hence the reason i take this shit seriously. is the treatment facilty decent, safe, and reputable? or is mission style based on God? or is it a mix of 12 steps and God save you? i would need to know specifics to recommend, safely, what to supp with. the thomas recipe is pretty basic. but i tailor it to each persons needs. i have helped detox many times. MANY. |
| The Real Jack (OP) User ID: 66822930 United States02/06/2016 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I am mentally weak when it comes to feeling sick - your story is like many others. "Man, I quit smoking I just said, no more smoking and it was THAT EASY." and then there's people who have tired 7, 8 times trying to stop smoking.... I finally saved up enough money so I can do this. There's a bit of a difference between shooting dope and Buprenorphine.. 6 hour half life versus let's round to an even 40. Withdrawals for me will not set in until day 4. But, yes, I am weak - because if I'm not locked up somewhere, away - (and yes, I changed my phone number) - and then I'm moving right after (well, that was the game plan... detox then 30 day inpatient, then get out, new phone # - within a week, find a place North of the Bridge...) My landlady is behind me 100% so is my mother. This is a small town. Will know more Monday, if not, fuck it - I'll try the jail route. Heh. No joke. At least I can watch the Superbowl? Just be happy - yet question everything. |
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| The Real Jack (OP) User ID: 66822930 United States02/06/2016 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you are not mentally weak. get that thru your head now.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71407025 you may be scared, but scared is not weakness Thanks man. Yes, I am very scared, esp when people are saying "It'll be six months before you feel normal again" - It's like MAN UP AND DO IT - Yet, the people at this detox place seemed like a revolving door to these people on SSI (If you have Medicaid/Medicare... instantly taken into the 30 day program) - Even the Detox - they pass out the same medicine I'm trying to come off of to the opiate addicts... so these dual diagnosed people, hear a cold front is coming, and fill up the detox - because, they get 3 hot meals for 5 days... and I don't want to be a revolving door like so many of the others, I NEED TO DETOX AND GO STRAIGHT INTO A SAFE, SECURE, LOCATION This place is not God based, it gets funding from the State. So it's basically a 12-step place with focus on therapy, exercise, and nutrition. Just be happy - yet question everything. |
| eekers Dreamer of Dreams User ID: 63577683 United States02/06/2016 03:48 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you are not mentally weak. get that thru your head now.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71407025 you may be scared, but scared is not weakness Thanks man. Yes, I am very scared, esp when people are saying "It'll be six months before you feel normal again" - It's like MAN UP AND DO IT - Yet, the people at this detox place seemed like a revolving door to these people on SSI (If you have Medicaid/Medicare... instantly taken into the 30 day program) - Even the Detox - they pass out the same medicine I'm trying to come off of to the opiate addicts... so these dual diagnosed people, hear a cold front is coming, and fill up the detox - because, they get 3 hot meals for 5 days... and I don't want to be a revolving door like so many of the others, I NEED TO DETOX AND GO STRAIGHT INTO A SAFE, SECURE, LOCATION This place is not God based, it gets funding from the State. So it's basically a 12-step place with focus on therapy, exercise, and nutrition. Keep your head up, and best of luck. Hang in there.  "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - T. S. Eliot |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71407025 United States02/06/2016 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and jsut to make you aware, benzos and oppies mix within the brain to make the process more difficult... take the medical route, seriously!!! while "in" LEARN and GROW with your understanding of nutrition and suppilmenting properly. the thing i hate about our modern treatment processes is that just like going tomthe doctor, they dont specialize in suppliments and vitamin therapies. the benzos are your true demon my friend, good luck, i will lurk a little longer. |
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