World war 3 will start at or about Nov 20th these are the times of sorrows and beg of birth pangs

What else did Father Fondles tell you, Sparky?

Another fun fact: Niburi is what also caused the 3 hour eclipse when Jesus was crucified and what caused the earthquakes during this time. There are historical writings outside of the Bible that confirm this 3 hour eclipse and earthquakes. The moon can only cause a solar eclipse for 7 minutes Niburi is much larger than the moon or earth for that matter and this would explain why there was a 3 hour eclipse. This was all planned by God from the beginning to happen this way. This could not be seen by humans due to the dust clouds surrounding Niburi so they could not see what was causing this eclipse.
The planets and stars were put in place by God for signs and to know the seasons. The wise men knew this and this is how they found Jesus from a star. Our God is the same today and he was back then and is not going to change the way He does things. You can find His patterns in all of nature and the universe. This information is confirmed in Revelation 12 and Genesis 3. The women travailing with birth is mentioned over and over again in the Bible and this speaks of this time that we are coming upon and the sign that will be in the heaven at this conjunction.
The governments know about Niburi and has published verifiable documents that state another planet is in our solar system and is causing gravitational disturbances.....

...except that anyone with one iota of knowledge of celestial distances, the movement rates of celestial objects, orbits of planets, etc... knows that you're just making this shit up on the fly.

I tend to agree with the doomy bit but the pre trib rapture is a masonic lie.

Read this.

100% SCRIPTURAL UNDEBUNKABLE PROOF of exactly when the rapture takes place. Btw i was a pre tribber all my life till i read this. I tried my utmost to debunk it. It cant be done. Pre trib is a 100% masonic jesuit lie.

Scofield and darby were masons so it makes sense.

Now I realise that MOST people will not have the patience to read a long post like this...so the proof is in the first third of the post. But if still NOT convinced by then..then read the whole thing.

Most people will also let their BIAS get in the way....in this case..DONT..just read it with an open bible..and an open mind.

The pre trib rpature has taken YEARS to be woven...so it cannot be UNwoven in a simpple two paragraph post...so have some patience...because it IRREFUTABLY PROVES with NO DOUBT (IF you read it all and look it up for yurselves) that the rapture comes after the trib..NOT before.



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Scriptures that prove the post trib rapture.


The first thing I will say is to prove the post trib rapture you only need to show two things in scripture (although I will do much more than that in this post)


#1 that the 2nd coming is after the Tribulation,

and #2 that the rapture is at the 2nd coming.

(side note: the resurrection of the just is also at the post trib 2nd coming of Christ yet before the rapture this is important to know as we move on)

So #1 The 2nd coming is after the tribulation
Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And (THEN)he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.

There is no mistaking, the meaning of this verse, nor can you mistake when it will take place. The coming of the Son of man is immediately after the tribulation of those day. Just to show that this is the Great Tribulation and just one tribulation of many lets start the text at verse 21 and read through verse 31.

Matthew 24:21-31
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days be shortened, there shall no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.
23 then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.(Kinda hard to do..seeing as you think the ELECT wont BE here huh?)

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall the coming of the Son of man be. (Yeah..REAL secret aint it??...NOT)
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.(Not a very secret event eh?)

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.

There is no doubt that this is referring to The Great Tribulation and not just a tribulation. We also see that it is after the tribulation that Jesus returns. We also see that there is a gathering together of the elect at this point. Some argue that they are gathered from Heaven and not from Earth because they were raptured seven years earlier before the tribulation started. So I will now show in Mark 13:24-27, the sister scripture to Matthew 24:29-31 that they not only gathered from Heaven, but from Heaven and Earth.
Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after this tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light.25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then he shall send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

So we see that Jesus gathers the elect from Heaven and Earth at the end of the tribulation from Heaven'' the dead in Christ'' from Earth '' those that are still living''. We also see that this is the Great Tribulation not a tribulation as verse 19 shows

Mark 13:19 For in those day there shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

We can make the case from these scriptures that the resurrection of the just, and the rapture is after the tribulation. However that is not the point I am using them to make. The point is the second coming of Christ is after the Great Tribulation, and biblically you can clearly see that this is the case. Now I will show you that the rapture is at this post trib second coming.

#2 The rapture is at the 2nd coming of Christ (which per point 1 is post trib.
1st Thessalonians 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not preceed them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trump of God: and the dead will rise first:(THE RESSURECTION OF THE JUST!)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall ever be with the Lord.

There are two main things I would like you to notice about this verse. First ....that the dead in Christ rise first. This is important because, there will be scripture use later that speaks of the resurrection of the just happening at the second coming, and we need to realize that the living will not precede the dead but will be caught up after them. So if the resurrection of the just is post trib then the rapture would be as well. Secondly I will give you the timing of this event that all agree is the rapture.

Verse 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not preceed them which are asleep.

The rapture takes place at the coming of the Lord, which we have already shown is after the tribulation. I could stop right now this is all the proof we need, but I have more. By the way, some thing for you to notice if a pretrib teacher ever teaches on the rapture they will skip verse 15 and quote verse 16 and 17 only. Is this open deception or an over sight? I will let you decide.

1st Corinthians 15:20-23
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward that they are Christ's at his coming.
We will all be resurrected and there will be an order. Jesus is first, that has already happen, and then those that are Christ's, those that have been saved (Christians) at His coming. There is no mention of a resurrection of the righteous between Jesus' resurrection and his second coming. As a matter of fact it says that those that belong to Christ will be resurrected at the post trib second coming. We saw in 1st Thessalonians that the dead are raised before the living are raptured. So if the resurrection of the dead in Christ is at the post trib second coming then the rapture has to be as well.

2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Now we beseech you, bretheren. by the coming of the Lord and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled in spirit, nor by word, nor by letter from us, and the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

In verse 1 Paul is speaking of two events. the coming of the Lord or '' The second coming'' and the gathering together unto him or '' the resurrection of the just and or rapture''. In verse 3 we see that Paul says these two event happen on a singular day ''That day''. Also in verse 3 Paul writes that that day could not happen until after the falling away takes place and the anti christ is revealed. Some pretrib preachers go as far as to say the falling away is the rapture, teaching that the rapture must come before the second coming. However the greek word for falling away is ''apostasia'', which literally means a turning from the truth. So the church itself will turn from the truth (Seems the pre trib rapture doctrine is PROOF of this)and then the anti christ will be revealed and then (AND ONLY THEN)the rapture can take place, not before. This passage excludes the pretrib view because we know that the anti christ will not be revealed before the tribulation starts but AFTER!!!. Further more it proves the post trib view because it declares that the second coming and the rapture take place on the same day. These two events are not seven years apart, not three and a half years apart, not one year, one month or one day apart. They occur on the same exact day.

1st John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
When does Christ appear? At his post trib second coming. When shall we be like him? When we receive our heavenly bodies, which is at the resurrection of the just and or the rapture. So this verse actually says that we will be resurrected and or raptured to receive our heavenly immortal bodies at the post trib second coming.　
I think the scriptural evidence of a post trib rapture that I have presented so far is overwhelming.

BUT THERE IS MUCH MUCH MORE!!!!

Real quickly I will give three verses that state that we must endure until the very end to be saved.
Matthew 24:12-13, Mark 13:13, and Revelation 2:26.
Matthew 24:12-13
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

(NOTICE IT DIDNT SAY HE WHO ENDURES TO THE START..OR THE MIDDLE..BUT THE END..WHAT PART OF "END" DONT YOU GET YET?)

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Both of these passages say he that endures unto the end, shall be saved. Some teach that this means you must keep your faith until your death to get to heaven. Actually if you will notice, both of these passage are in chapters that are specifically explaining the events of the tribulation.

In Matthew it says that iniquity will abound. In Mark it says we will be hated by all men for Christ's name sake. What these verse are telling us is that only those that do not turn from Christ during the tribulation will be saved. Those of us that endure until the very end shall be saved.Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keeps my works until the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

NOTICE THIS...

It is only those that keep God's holy word until the very end that will reign with Christ during the Millennium. We must endure until the end show let me show you want the end is.

1st Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stabblish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.Notice when the end is, when Jesus returns.

Also notice that it says Jesus will return with all His saints. This is impossible with a pretrib view. If Jesus raptures the righteous before the tribulation then return at the end of it with the raptured saints. The tribulational converts and ''Jewish saints'' would not be with Him. Therefore He would not be returning with all His saints.

Although....if He catches up the righteous as he is returning with the dead in Christ as it say He will in 1st Thessalonians 4:14-17, to meet Him in the air, then come to earth with Him. He would be returning with all His saints. So you just cant have it BOTH ways..did Jesus MEAN what he said OR DINT he??

1st Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them that sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (DEAD)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trump of God: and the dead will rise first:(FIRST RESSURECTION)17 Then (MEANING RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST RESSURECTION)we which are alive and remain (THOSE THAT ENDURED TO THE END AND SURVIVED)shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, (THE RAPTURE)and so we shall ever be with the Lord.
Verse 14 says that the dead in Christ are returning from heaven with Christ, and in verse 16 we see as He is returning their bodied rise from the grave to meet their souls, we know from 1st Corinthians 15:51-53 that this is when they receive their immortal bodies.

Then we which are alive and remain are caught up to meet them in the air. The post trib view is the only view that would allow 1st Thessalonians 3:13 to be true (which we know it is because it is the word of God) after we are caught up, we immediately return from the air to earth with Christ. Then and only then would He be returning will all His saints.

We will be raised at the last day John 6:39, 40, 44, and 54
John 6:39, 40, 44 , and 54
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should loose nothing, but raise it up at the last day.40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.54 Whosoever eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.Jesus repeatedly declares that He will raise us up at the last day. Not seven years before, not three and a half years before, not one year, one month , or one day before, but at the last day.Tell me..WHAT part of "LAST DAY dont you get yet?)

At the last trump,
1st Corinthians 15:51-53
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, (THEN..RIGHT AFTER THAT)and we shall be changed.(RAPTURED)[/b]53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

(YEP..THATS THE RAPTURE ALRIGHT..RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST RESSURECTION WHICH IS CLEARLY SEEN WITH NO SCRIPTURE TWISTING NEEDED...TO HAPPEN WHEN???..AT THE LORD RETURN ON THE LAAAAST DAY!!!)

Anyone cane EASILY SEE that this is referring to the event known as the rapture. We see in the passage that it tell us when it will happen ''at the last trump''. We also see in Matthew 24:29-31 that there will be a trumpet sounded after the tribulation has ended.
Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation (I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW PRE TRIBBER CAN IGNORE THIS..PERHAPS IT THREATENS THEIR BOOK SALES TOO MUCH)of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect(RAPTURE THEM) from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.
If the rapture is at the last trump, which we know it is because God's word says it does. Then the rapture can not be before the trumpet sounded in Matthew 24, which is sounded after the tribulation is over.

Next I will show two more things #1 that the wicked are destroyed by fire at the post trib 2nd coming of Christ, and #2 that the rapture is on the same day that Christ return at the end of the Tribulation to destroy the wicked.

#1 The destruction of the wicked by fire at the post trib 2nd coming.

Matthew 3:7-12
7 But when he ( John the Baptist) saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, we have Abraham as our father: for I say unto you that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree that brings forth not good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he will baptize you with the Holy Ghost(FOR THE RIGHTEOUS), and with fire.(FOR THE WICKED)
12 Whose fan is in his hand, he shall throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into his garner, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

There is only three times in the New Testament that the phrase ''wrath to come'' is mentioned. Once in 1st Thessalonians 1:10, once here in Matthew 3:7 and in Luke 3:7 which is telling the same story about John the Baptist warning the masses of the wrath that is to come. So what is the ''wrath to come'' that he was warning them from? It is the purging of the floor mentioned in verse 12. It is the baptism of fire when the wicked will be overwhelmed by fire at the return of Jesus, it is the burning of the chaff which will occur when Jesus returns at the post trib second coming. The wrath to come that Jesus has delivered us from by his death and resurrection, is the destruction of the wicked by fire at the second coming of Christ.
　
1st Thessalonians 5:2-3
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

The destruction of the wicked is not a prolonged seven years period, but it is sudden destruction that will come upon them when Jesus returns at the post trib second coming.

2nd Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

When Jesus returns He is coming in power and great glory, the tribes of the earth shall mourn and every one that is not in Christ including the anti christ will be destroyed immediately by the brightness of His coming.

Hebrews 10:26-27
26 For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries.The wrath to come is the judgment of God were He will destroy all His adversaries with a fiery indignation, when Jesus returns, not the entire tribulation period.

2nd Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burnt up.

This doesn't sound like a pretrib event, there wouldn't be anything left to live on earth for the next seven years. The day of the Lord is a post tribulational event. Where Jesus will destroy all with fire, but first he will resurrect the dead in Christ and catch away the living saints.

I have shown that the wrath is the fiery destruction of the wicked which occurs at the return of Christ. It is not the tribulation period itself. Next, I will give scripture that shows that the second coming, the resurrection of the just, the rapture of the living saints and the destruction of the wicked by fire happen all at once.

#2 The rapture is at the post rib 2nd coming on the same day Christ return to deatroy the wicked.
Pretrib ''Theologians'' boldly proclaim that when ever the second coming is mentioned, there is no mention of the church being raptured, and when ever the rapture is mentioned there is no mention of the destruction of the wicked. Well, I have four passages of scripture that will eliminate that myth once and for all. The first text I will use is Matthew 3:12, I will revisit the words of John the baptist.

Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, he shall throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into his garner, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Notice that when Jesus comes to purge His floor, He first gathers the wheat and then burns the chaff. This is what will occur at the second coming. When Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation, He will resurrect the just, rapture the saints, and then burn the wicked with an unquenchable fire.

Matthew 24:37-41
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving into marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came and took them all away,(IN OTHER WORKDS..KILLED THEM ALL SUDDENLY) so shall the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field one taken,(KILLED..NOT RAPTURED) and the other left.
41 Two woman shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.
The flood came and took them away (DROWNED THEM ALL)when they were unaware, so will the coming of Christ be, but this next flood will be a flood of fire. At this point, at the post trib second coming when Jesus is returning to destroy the wicked is when the rapture takes place. Verse 40 and 41 declare THEN will one be taken (BURNT UP SUDDENLY BY FIRE)and the other left, not before the return of Christ, but at it.

Luke 17:26-30
26 And as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, and they were given into marriage, until Noah entered into the ark then the flood came and destroyed them all.

The very day Noah entered the ark the flood came and destroyed them all, once again it was not a seven year prolonged period of destruction but it was immediate, the very day the righteous were removed.
28 Likewise also as it was in the day of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone down from heaven and destroyed them all.30 Even thus shall it be in the day the Son of man shall be revealed.

It very clear the SAME DAY Noah went on the ark the flood came and destroyed them all. The SAME DAY Lot was taken, out of Sodom fire and brimstone rain from heaven and destroyed them all. The text says this is exactly how it will be when Jesus returns. The very SAME DAY Jesus returns at His post trib second coming is the very SAME DAY we will be taken out or '' raptured '' and it is the very SAME DAY He will destroy the wicked. This will be confirmed in my next text 2nd Thessalonins 1:6-10 as well.

2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation on them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe ( because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day.We receive our rest when Jesus is revealed with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God.

In other words we are raptured at the post trib second coming when Jesus returns to destroy the wicked with fire. Lets look at verse 7 and 8 again.
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
There is no question that this passage places the post trib second coming, the rapture of the saints, and the destruction of the wicked all at the very same time. The pretib ''Theologian'' that claims the Bible never says as much, must of missed this passage. We cannot ignore God's word, so I choose to ignore the pretrib ''Theologian''.

Lastly I will give a reference in Revelation 20:4-6 that tells us that the raptre is after the Tribulation (remember the resurrection of the just comes before rapture of the living saints). In Revelation 20:4-6 it shows us the the 1st resurrection the resurrection of the just is after the Tribulation because it include those that were martyred during the Tribulation.

Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands,; and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousands years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

As CAN CLEARLY AND IRREFUTABLE CAN BE SEEN NOW...The first resurrection is after the tribulation, we know this because it includes the tribulational martyrs.

There can be no resurrection before the first resurrection, otherwise it would be a SECOND ressurection..or a THIRD even, therefore there can not be a mass resurrection of the dead in Christ before the tribulation. Seeing that the first resurrection takes place at the end of the tribulation, the pretrib rapture along with the mid trib, and pre wrath rapture become biblically impossible. The only view that fits is that of a post trib rapture. The first resurrection is the resurrection of the just and the rapture immediately proceeds it.


BUT..you can IGNORE all this proof and keep selling movies and books and making a FORTUNE..or spending one..on a PACK OF ILLUMINATI FALSE DOCTRINE!!

Your choice.

Please check the alignment of planets and stars on sept 23 2017 to the model in the planetary software computer program and you will see that it matches the exact description in Rev 12 . Jupiter starts its conception on Nov 20 and is birthed 9 months later through the legs of Virgo on the feast of trumpets Sep 23 2017. How could I even possibly make that up? How could the timing be that specific? You are deceived into thinking this is by chance as nothing is by chance. God is in control as He has been from the beginning. The planets are like a God's clock and it starts ticking down Nov 20 2016.

Please stop the post or mid trib cut and paste. It is clear the church is removed before the tribulation. Do you think Jesus would beat up His bride before taking her to heaven? Where is our blessed assurance? That I'm going to suffer through the tribulation that is meant for Israel? You do not know how to decern when Jesus is talking to the Jew or Gentiles? The tribulation is to deal with Israel, the church age will be over and the church will be removed. You call God a liar when you state that there is no pre-trib rapture - good luck explaining that. All of your evidence is for His second coming at the end of the tribulation which we will be with him. The second coming and rapture are two separate events if you can't figure that out the you need to quit cutting and pasting and start asking for scriptural discernment. What was the point of Jesus dying if we all have to make our robes clean during the tribulation? Will there be people saved during the tribulation? Yes but the church will not be here and they will have to die a horrific death. If you have the blood of Jesus you have power over Satan, this will not be the case during the tribulation as Satan will have power over the earth for a brief time. I hope you can see through the deception you have been given as if you are not ready and looking for Jesus with a full lamp you will be lukewarm and left behind and spewed out. I hope and pray you see your errors before then....

You didnt read it did you?

Get back to me when you have.

Also i would love your help in debunking it.

I cant. I bet you wont either.

But if you can with easliy understood scriptue that PLAINLY STATES when it happens with backing scripture im all ears.

I do agree somewhat with the rest of what you posted.

There will be some seriously scary stuff taking place in the sky.

Enough to cause a spate of heart attacks as scripture points out.

Now..read it and debunk it line by line.

i saw the youtube on this. it is compelling to say the least.

question that was left unanswered as far as i saw:

how many planets/stars line up on september 23, 2017?

If my pc was working id use stellarium to find out.

Awesome program.

i've read perhaps a few thousand prophecies/predictions and dreams. ..over the last several decades.

this one has a ring of truth to it.

one thing tho...when you don't get raptured in the next year, don't be discouraged....the time of leaving is a few years out still.....

the anomalous lining up of those planets is very very unique, to say the least.

OP,

where did you get the idea that nibiru will hit jupiter and the timetable of that impact...and the 3.5 yrs to reach earth...and the timeline of when the second half of the tribulation starts?

November 20th is my birthday.

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!!!!

Best B'day gift ever

Yes I did read it and I can debunk it with one verse or multiples if you would like:

“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:7-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If all Christians go through the tribulation how are any Christains held from the hour of temptation upon all the world? How would the synagogue of Satan worship at our feet? Unless we are above them in heaven out of harms way. The church is what is keeping the beast from revealing itself, he cannot be revealed until the church is removed from the earth. We are in the church age which started at penticost and ends on the feast of trumpets. You need a knowledge of Jewish traditions to understand that Jesus was talking about feast days and to be prepared for the coming feast day so we are not overtaken as a thief. How would we be surprised by Jesus coming if He is coming to earth with lightning and the whole world sees it and knows it is Jesus. These are two separate events and unless you dig into scripture to understand that God deals with the Gentiles and then with Israel you will never understand. The Gentiles accepted Jesus but the Jews rejected Him and Jacobs trouble is for the Jews and unbelievers. Jacob means Israel and tribulation and Jacobs trouble are two different things as well, John was facing tribulations in Patomos Christains today face tribulation from everyone but it is not Jacobs trouble. You have to understand Biblical terminology in context to the era in which Jesus was speaking and discern and rightly divide the word. The church age will end with the removal of the church this will usher in the beast and start Jacobs trouble which has nothing to do with born again believers that are removed before hand. The church is the restrainer that has to be removed first because satan cannot be given complete control over the earth until the church is removed because we have power over satan now given to born again believers and that will not change - we cannot be here when the beast is revealed it's literally impossible.

“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman (Virgo) clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon(niburu) having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail (dust cloud and debri from impact with Jupiter being born) drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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Leo is above the head of the constellation Virgo with a total of 12 stars including Venus Mars and Mercury.
The sun is at virgos shoulder indicating being clothed by the sun the moon is at virgos feet and Jupiter is in the stomach and moves through just like a birth of a child which completes sept 23 2017 same day as feast of trumpets which is when God fulfills prophecy on feast days. Conception to birth is 9 months which starts around Nov 20 2016 and will get worse and worse as with birth pangs until Jupiter is delivered and impacted by Nibiru the red dragon which gives the sign in the heaven that will be unmistakable and throws multiple large asteroids at earth, it would take approximately 3.5 years for the large debri to travel from Jupiter to earth. This is an approximation as no one would no how fast Niburu would impact and how quickly this debri will be coming at earth but I believe that the earth will be able to see this event and then the rapture will take place and then the beast will be on the scene quickly deceieving people about what is happening. Satan is also kicked out of heaven at this time with the fallen angels to earth. Shoe maker levy that hit Jupiter a ways back was a warning from God about this.

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We are also told further in Revelation there are multiple impacts to earth and this would be the only way the the rotation of the earth is sped up and taken from a 24 hour day to a 16 hour day otherwise no flesh would be spared. We know the worst part of Jacobs trouble starts at the mid point which would indicate when the beast demands worship the Israelites are told to flee to the mountains to be spared. This is when the impacts start to happen and it may be the world is unaware or deceived as to the timing of the impacts by the beast, I do not have all the answers or claim to know just know what I have read from others and for myself and what God confirmed to me personally through scripture.
If you want to know who goes in the rapture look at the parable of the virgins, it's a 50/50 ratio, there will be many left behind im afraid but I believe that they will have knowledge not to take the mark and will die martyrs as it states in Revelation, only God knows mans heart and who will have there lamp full when the bridegroom comes which is also represented by the feast of trumpets as this a a ceremony when the father (God) prepares a place for the son husband(Jesus) and bride(the church) but does not know the day or hour (feast of trumpets) when He will return for His bride. When in reality what Jesus is saying is that this will be fulfilled at a feast of trumpets in the future because this feast is known as the feast when no one knows the day or hour because of the sighting of the new moon. We know that this alignment happens once every 6000-7000 years so I don't think we are going another round and it lines up exactly to Rev 12 and with all of the other occurrences you can fill in the pieces. God is not a God of confusion and is consistant with His timing and patterns.

Depart from me I never knew you is at the final
Judgement not sure what your trying to say with that but that is just speaking of those that called themselves Christains and may even did good deeds or whatever but were not truly born again believers, they will be seperated from God in the final judgement.
When the rapture happens the people who are believers with there lamps full who are born again are looking for Jesus to return and will be taken to get there special crown for "overcoming" this sin filled world and will then have the marriage supper of the lamb and will be in heaven with Jesus during Jacobs trouble and opening of the seals/trumpets/bowls and will then return with Him at the second coming.
This is what it talks about the the seven churches about overcoming that no man take thy crown. The guy screaming there is no pre-trib rapture is trying to take your crown weather you realize it or not. If your are left behind you will lose your crown of righteousness but you can still die a martyer and get to heaven as long as you don't take the mark and repent during the tribulation and become born again. There are several crowns that can be earned and you will earn a martyers crown.

You neither read it or debunked it.

You posted one verse which was very vague and the rest was guesswork and conjecture.

Give me actual plain scripture like i did with my post but which supports pre trib.

Dont go calling me evil or a crown stealer just yet.

Im yet to see your proof and apparently you are yet to see mine.

Or is it because you have made your mind up and facts and scriptures dont matter to you?

please people do not project this into reality or i pull ur plug

I asked you to explain the verse about being kept from the hour of temptation and you have failed to do so. This is not an obscure verse but a letter from John to the churches which is in Revelation and is relevant to prophecy. There is no other explanation for that verse but I will give you another to try and explain.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-55‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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Ok now stop and ask yourself why is this a mystery? Did he not understand what he was seeing? Do you think that is this was talking about the 2nd coming which is seen by all and know to all to be Jesus returning to earth and everybody knows he is coming back?
No this is a separate event the sleeping are the dead in Christ which will be raised first then we that are alive will be called up to meet Him in the air and taken to HEAVEN and not earth so shall we ever be with the Lord.
At the second coming the Lord is coming down to earth not meeting us in the air it's two different events confirmed by the following statement :

Death is swallowed up in victory ( there will be believers that will never die a physical death) this proves that the rapture happens for those that are born again and lamps full. Do you think that this is talking about a select few that happen to make it through the worst time in history? Give me a break it even says that those who refuse the mark
Will be killed how is that victory over death?

Look I used to believe in a post trib but I was wrong and I found out I was wrong by reading the Bible for
Myself studying patterns and not listening to some crack pot that thinks he can thrown verses together and make a convincing argument.

Look at the patterns in the Bible- Noah removed from destruction given a warning before hand and escaped

Lot removed from destruction and given a warning before and stilll didn't leave and was forcibly removed by angels with his family.

These are both representations of Gods children not enduring Gods wrath.

We are not meant for this wrath from God He is not going to put His true believers through it.

It doesn't match patterns that are previously instituted by God and I have disproved it with two verses that you have not had any input on

Like I said read your Bible all the way through and get the big picture Jesus didn't die on the cross for us to suffer through His wrath it's not even logical, what would be the point? Read and pray for discernment.

At least we know now you never read the post slowly and carefully because had you done so the points you raised would not have been raised as they were all dealt with and debunked in that post.

Oh well...like most people you hear only what you want to hear and know only what you heard. And when i was a pre tribber i was the same so i dont hold it against you. People are people and do people type things.

But the rest of it is imminent.

Some interesting things will be going on the next few years.

On that we agree.

So leave it at that. Arguing is quite pointless really as time itself is moments away from telling.

God, through the Prophet's, and even through the Messiah and the legitimate Apostles, clearly explained that yes, we will be beaten like a newly wed Irish woman.

Second Ezra, explains this to a small degree, but First Peter, does a better job of teaching it. God uses deliberate affliction, to perfect human's, or destroy them.

The parable of the clay and potter, is spot on. Much like a potter, takes clay, molds it, and places it into the fire the finish, God takes us, molds us, and places us into the fire of affliction.

That we can agree on but do take this with you as one last thing. In Mathew the church did not exist yet. You have to take these things to light when you are interpreting scripture. Just like you have to take idioms that are spoken in that time period. You have to look at layers upon layers and connect scripture and proof scripture with scripture.


I will keep you from the hour of temptation that will come upon the whole world that will try them that dwell upon the earth. What else could this be talking about? This is in the book of Revelations and it is specifically talking to the church that had existed for awhile by that time. It is also double layerd and speaks to the current church today. You have no proof or proof of scripture that can debunk this sentence. We know there will be tribulation saints that is obvious but please disprove the above scripture sentence that it is not speaking of Jacobs trouble or Great Tribulation and that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that this is not speaking about a person that could be removed from this time. You can't so just think about that, if something were not true in the Bible it would not be in there read Rev 1-3 this is specifically to the church and its right before things start happening also John is a type of raptured saint as well as he is called up to heaven with the trump of Gods voice. We are in heaven before the seals are opened what John is speaking about is through the eyes of the raptured church. The tribulation saints are what they are all - beheaded and are a different group just like the 144000 Jews. I appreciate the conversation and hope you will take what I said into consideration.

Tribulation is different than Jacobs trouble. Yes He molds us through our whole lives and sometimes has to put us through things, but that is not Jacobs trouble it is two different things. You are trying to say that just because we go through trials and bad times we are going to be going through Gods wrath and that is two very different things.

“For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:9-10‬ ‭KJV

Gods wrath starts at the first seal, true born again believers will not be here.

Nope. You are wrong and will be proven to be so. Being a false prophet isn't a good thing.

I know exactly what it means.

But i think perhaps you will find out just like i did.

Its quite a surprise really. And its glorious.

I am very much looking forward to it...as you will too once the penny drops for you.

You will actually wonder why you thought a pre trib rapture was so desirable in comparison with the truth of the matter.

The thing with deception is it always consists of 95% truth and 5% lies.

Thats the pre trib.

But as is typical of 100% truth...its soooooo much better and far more exciting than the deception had you beleiving.

But not to worry. You will soon know the truth.

It didnt happen for me overnight either. It took a lot of prayer and some serious research to find it.

A seek and find kind of thing.

You too will seek. Not just yet. But very soon.

I held solidly to pre trib for decades. It does not vanish in a day. But it does end in a day.

As you will soon see. Because you already know the rest as i did.

The rest of the mystery will shortly follow. And i bet you will be very excited and in awe too.

I await your reaction eagerly. It will no doubt be much like mine was.

Anyway lets end the debate about it.

Lets talk about what we agree on and let god sort out the rest.

Isn't it intersting that you made all that effort to write a lot, carefully separating you thoughts with extra room, pumping bulk into your 'revelation', but in the end you say nothing?!
You really siad nothing except that you believe that you must be punished, and that you rejoice in this.

Australian, shame on you!
The 'russian salad' you made out of the scriptures doesn't even need any refuting, for by definition itmis a mess.
I will just mention that Matthew is a jew writing to the jews; and the the chosen are not the elect, for these are to different categories of believers,.. and so on and d so forth.