If you could clone yourself and have your clone work as your slave, would you do it? | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17582427 United States 11/23/2017 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm normally 100% against slavery, but I think this is a unique situation. Quoting: plus Here's the thing: Your clone is YOU. Are you exploiting yourself if you're having yourself work for yourself? Isn't that the same as forcing yourself to go to work when you don't feel like working? Well, let's see- by the time the clone reaches adulthood, and is trained & educated with what I know, I'll be nearing retirement age. I wouldn't be working anyway. What, OP, did you believe a fully adult clone simply pops out of a mold, educated and ready to go? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17582427 United States 11/23/2017 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm normally 100% against slavery, but I think this is a unique situation. Quoting: plus Here's the thing: Your clone is YOU. Are you exploiting yourself if you're having yourself work for yourself? Isn't that the same as forcing yourself to go to work when you don't feel like working? Well, let's see- by the time the clone reaches adulthood, and is trained & educated with what I know, I'll be nearing retirement age. I wouldn't be working anyway. What, OP, did you believe a fully adult clone simply pops out of a mold, educated and ready to go? Also- who's going to pay for the cloning costs, and the costs of raising said clone to adulthood? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75403533 United States 11/23/2017 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The clone would be you genetically, but you would not share his mind and experiences, and he wouldn't share yours. He would still be his own being, not really much different than your child. Do you feel it's okay to enslave a child, or any other human being? Do you think a clone would have no consciousness? |
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plus (OP) User ID: 70576973 United Kingdom 11/23/2017 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm normally 100% against slavery, but I think this is a unique situation. Quoting: plus Here's the thing: Your clone is YOU. Are you exploiting yourself if you're having yourself work for yourself? Isn't that the same as forcing yourself to go to work when you don't feel like working? Well, let's see- by the time the clone reaches adulthood, and is trained & educated with what I know, I'll be nearing retirement age. I wouldn't be working anyway. What, OP, did you believe a fully adult clone simply pops out of a mold, educated and ready to go? All of that is a red herring to the question at hand. If you could clone yourself and have your clone work as your slave, would you do it? I'm assuming that your questions are not a problem in this thread. This thread is a mental experiment for the purposes of a moral discussion. It's not a scientifitic thread. According to my research, human clones can be made to grow rapidly. Last Edited by plus on 11/23/2017 12:38 PM |
plus (OP) User ID: 70576973 United Kingdom 11/23/2017 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The clone would be you genetically, but you would not share his mind and experiences, and he wouldn't share yours. He would still be his own being, not really much different than your child. Do you feel it's okay to enslave a child, or any other human being? Quoting: It's A Secret Do you think a clone would have no consciousness? Those issues were explored in the film The Island. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] There is no way to answer the issues you're raising without seeing how actual human clones turn out in the real world. If my clone wanted to do my job for me, I would be more than happy to let him do it. I probably couldn't enslave my own clone if it was causing him distress. However, if it was just a mindess animal that did whatever I told it to do, that may be different. Last Edited by plus on 11/23/2017 12:46 PM |
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CrankyFairy1 User ID: 74313990 United States 11/23/2017 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The clone would be you genetically, but you would not share his mind and experiences, and he wouldn't share yours. He would still be his own being, not really much different than your child. Do you feel it's okay to enslave a child, or any other human being? Quoting: It's A Secret Do you think a clone would have no consciousness? Those issues were explored in the film The Island. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] There is no way to answer the issues you're raising without seeing how actual human clones turn out in the real world. If my clone wanted to do my job for me, I would be more than happy to let him do it. I probably couldn't enslave my own clone if it was causing him distress. However, if it was just a mindess animal that did whatever I told it to do, that may be different. True peace, happiness, contentment and self-worth come from within, and cannot be given, or taken away, by any person or thing. The Golden Rule Solves Everything. Please ask yourself "Have I sufficiently listened to both sides, before forming my opinion on matters of debate?" If not, you might want to re-think your position. Favorite green karma quote: "Never stop being weird." Favorite (anonymous) red karma quote: "Seventeen gophers can fit up your asshole." I found that to be quite impressive! Yay me!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52923498 United States 11/23/2017 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm normally 100% against slavery, but I think this is a unique situation. Quoting: plus Here's the thing: Your clone is YOU. Are you exploiting yourself if you're having yourself work for yourself? Isn't that the same as forcing yourself to go to work when you don't feel like working? Well, let's see- by the time the clone reaches adulthood, and is trained & educated with what I know, I'll be nearing retirement age. I wouldn't be working anyway. What, OP, did you believe a fully adult clone simply pops out of a mold, educated and ready to go? Also- who's going to pay for the cloning costs, and the costs of raising said clone to adulthood? Party pooper. |
plus (OP) User ID: 70576973 United Kingdom 11/23/2017 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm normally 100% against slavery, but I think this is a unique situation. Quoting: plus Here's the thing: Your clone is YOU. Are you exploiting yourself if you're having yourself work for yourself? Isn't that the same as forcing yourself to go to work when you don't feel like working? Well, let's see- by the time the clone reaches adulthood, and is trained & educated with what I know, I'll be nearing retirement age. I wouldn't be working anyway. What, OP, did you believe a fully adult clone simply pops out of a mold, educated and ready to go? Also- who's going to pay for the cloning costs, and the costs of raising said clone to adulthood? Party pooper. That poster debunked nothing. This is all woo, but the rabbit hole goes deep. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72572863 Canada 11/23/2017 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm normally 100% against slavery, but I think this is a unique situation. Quoting: plus Here's the thing: Your clone is YOU. Are you exploiting yourself if you're having yourself work for yourself? Isn't that the same as forcing yourself to go to work when you don't feel like working? Wrong. Your clone is NOT you, it is a separate person with separate consciousness and separate free will. Enslaving a clone is just as evil as enslaving any other person, because they'd have their own will. That's about as dumb as enslaving an identical twin because their DNA is identical to yours. Besides, your clone slave will probably rebel against you, because you can't control his free will by having the same DNA lol. |
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plus (OP) User ID: 70576973 United Kingdom 11/23/2017 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm normally 100% against slavery, but I think this is a unique situation. Quoting: plus Here's the thing: Your clone is YOU. Are you exploiting yourself if you're having yourself work for yourself? Isn't that the same as forcing yourself to go to work when you don't feel like working? Wrong. Your clone is NOT you, it is a separate person with separate consciousness and separate free will. Enslaving a clone is just as evil as enslaving any other person, because they'd have their own will. That's about as dumb as enslaving an identical twin because their DNA is identical to yours. Besides, your clone slave will probably rebel against you, because you can't control his free will by having the same DNA lol. Your clone is you on a physical level. That much is certain. The rest of what you wrote above is speculation. For example, human clones may not even be able to move for all we know. We have to see one in the real world before we know anything like your speculation above. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72572863 Canada 11/23/2017 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm normally 100% against slavery, but I think this is a unique situation. Quoting: plus Here's the thing: Your clone is YOU. Are you exploiting yourself if you're having yourself work for yourself? Isn't that the same as forcing yourself to go to work when you don't feel like working? Wrong. Your clone is NOT you, it is a separate person with separate consciousness and separate free will. Enslaving a clone is just as evil as enslaving any other person, because they'd have their own will. That's about as dumb as enslaving an identical twin because their DNA is identical to yours. Besides, your clone slave will probably rebel against you, because you can't control his free will by having the same DNA lol. Your clone is you on a physical level. That much is certain. The rest of what you wrote above is speculation. For example, human clones may not even be able to move for all we know. We have to see one in the real world before we know anything like your speculation above. No, a clone is not you. A clone is simply someone with identical DNA to you. A clone is basically the same idea as identical twins. Do you think an identical twin would be you too? Of course not, they have their own mind and free will. And it's extremely obvious that a proper human clone would be able to move and do anything else that you could. As I said, a clone is nothing more than a person with identical DNA to you, so they could do whatever you could do. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72572863 Canada 11/23/2017 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you create a clone, the clone isn't telepathically linked to you lol. He has different thoughts and actions. If you do something, he doesn't automatically copy it. He's not the same person, he just has the same genetics, and then same body design. I don't think you understand what clones actually are... |
plus (OP) User ID: 70576973 United Kingdom 11/23/2017 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I stopped reading right there because you just lost all credibility. Clones are inorganic by definition, they are not organic like identical twins. Identical twins come out of a mother's womb the way mother nature intended. Clones come out of a laboratory. What are you talking about? |
plus (OP) User ID: 70576973 United Kingdom 11/23/2017 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you create a clone, the clone isn't telepathically linked to you lol. He has different thoughts and actions. If you do something, he doesn't automatically copy it. He's not the same person, he just has the same genetics, and then same body design. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72572863 I don't think you understand what clones actually are... That's all theoretical. We don't know how human clones would turn out as far as I know. Can you prove any of that? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72572863 Canada 11/23/2017 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I stopped reading right there because you just lost all credibility. Clones are inorganic by definition, they are not organic like identical twins. Identical twins come out of a mother's womb the way mother nature intended. Clones come out of a laboratory. What are you talking about? You have no idea what you're talking about. A clone is not inorganic. The word inorganic means "not made of biological tissue", like a robot. A clone is made from a fertilized cell that multiplies until it forms into a baby, JUST LIKE A REGULAR HUMAN. The only difference is that a clone is conceived using an artificial process, isntead of by sexual intercourse. A clone is made of organic cells, the exact same type of cells as a you are made from.. Maybe you're thinking of robots and not clones? Robots are inorganic, clones aren't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72572863 Canada 11/23/2017 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact, actual cloning is done by creating the clone cell and then implanting it into someone's womb, similar to artificial insemination. So clones DO come out of a womb, the only difference is how they are conceived. |
plus (OP) User ID: 70576973 United Kingdom 11/23/2017 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OF course not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44753432 Im actually against the suffering of any conscious entity, even animals, not down to insects yet until there's scientific proof that the lights are on for them. But yea, no. You're assuming that there would be suffering. I would be against that too. It's possible that human clones would just be robots in human bodies. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72572863 Canada 11/23/2017 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OF course not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44753432 Im actually against the suffering of any conscious entity, even animals, not down to insects yet until there's scientific proof that the lights are on for them. But yea, no. You're assuming that there would be suffering. I would be against that too. It's possible that human clones would just be robots in human bodies. You have no idea what clones actually are. Clones are not robots, they are humans with the same DNA as someone else. They think and feel just like you do. |
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plus (OP) User ID: 70576973 United Kingdom 11/23/2017 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I stopped reading right there because you just lost all credibility. Clones are inorganic by definition, they are not organic like identical twins. Identical twins come out of a mother's womb the way mother nature intended. Clones come out of a laboratory. What are you talking about? You have no idea what you're talking about. A clone is not inorganic. The word inorganic means "not made of biological tissue", like a robot. A clone is made from a fertilized cell that multiplies until it forms into a baby, JUST LIKE A REGULAR HUMAN. The only difference is that a clone is conceived using an artificial process, isntead of by sexual intercourse. A clone is made of organic cells, the exact same type of cells as a you are made from.. Maybe you're thinking of robots and not clones? Robots are inorganic, clones aren't. I made a mistake by using the word inorganic because I thought inorganic was the antonym of the following definition of organic: "Characterized by gradual or natural development." [link to en.oxforddictionaries.com (secure)] It's not. "The only difference is that a clone is conceived using an artificial process, isntead of by sexual intercourse." I see that as being two different worlds, and you don't think it's an important difference. There's nothing more to say for me. I see identical twins as being two different people while a clone of one those twins would be a copy of the one being cloned. Again, it's two different worlds, and only actual human clones could prove who is right. Last Edited by plus on 11/23/2017 02:01 PM |