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gsbltd (OP) User ID: 221097 United States 04/10/2007 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually: we signed contracts with FED EX a couple of years ago allowing them to place their collection boxes on postal property so the wheels have been greased, so to speak, and where once upon a time [not so long ago] USPS stations refused deliveries from competitors now we have DHL, UPS and FED EX trucks rolling up to our docks every day. And, just last year we signed an agreement with UPS to use their fleet of aircraft to move some of our mail. Mind you: UPS kicks our asses when it comes to parcel deliveries and many USPS employees privately wish UPS would just handle ALL of those deliveries and leave the 1st class mail to us. I -and many other long-term postal employees- just don't know WHERE these unholy alliances will take us - or your mail. But, I can tell you this: just today I had a carrier with over 20yrs of street experience say she was going back to school to attempt study that would allow her to enter a new field, should the USPS just move entirely into the private sector for their largest workforce. Think about their savings: no union restrictions, few [if any] benefits and a MUCH-LOWER payrate! Pretty staggering ramifications if this nasty current business approach succeeds. |
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gsbltd (OP) User ID: 221097 United States 04/10/2007 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's NICE to hear feedback from other USPS employees on this. And YEAH: we all feel about the same way! This may be one of those issues that actually unites the rank-and-file and lower management to a common cause; let's just hope that the DC beancounters don't destroy a system that HAS worked for over 250 years. |
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gsbltd (OP) User ID: 221097 United States 04/10/2007 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's exactly MY point: it ISN'T an easy little thing to deliver your mail on a daily basis... especially with the 'improvements' in automation [and our new Bio-Hazard detection equipment]: the mail sortation process was NEVER ideal after the carriers stopped casing your mail personally every morning... but NOW it's a real nightmare on some routes and a seasoned carrier is lucky to get everything where it belongs... let alone some yahoo who can barely read an address! Get the picture? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 192017 United States 04/10/2007 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's exactly MY point: it ISN'T an easy little thing to deliver your mail on a daily basis... especially with the 'improvements' in automation [and our new Bio-Hazard detection equipment]: the mail sortation process was NEVER ideal after the carriers stopped casing your mail personally every morning... but NOW it's a real nightmare on some routes and a seasoned carrier is lucky to get everything where it belongs... let alone some yahoo who can barely read an address! Get the picture? Quoting: gsbltdThe first things to go will be the personal mail. They'll make sure bills and junk mail get through. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 159906 United States 04/10/2007 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If anyone is happy that the Post Office might be hiring casuals or anyone else with a pulse to deliver the mail, think about what happened when the courts broke up Ma Bell. Phone service hasn't been as good since. It's a real crap shoot to mail valuable objects in other countries, but in the US, it's assumed that it will get to the rightful party. That might change if the people who serve you fries become the people who deliver your mail. |
gsbltd (OP) User ID: 221097 United States 04/10/2007 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 192017: You know, what you suggest would really be the precursor to chaos. Know why? Because when [not IF] TSHTF and all internet service is gone, and newspapers only print special editions and TV signals are limited to emergency broadcast info the final frontier of unfiltered information exchange will be through the U.S. Mail -or it's equivalent. You can deprive a man of many things and he can still endure: he can learn to be hungry when there is no food; he can learn to toil for no pay, he can be shamed publicly. These things may bend a man but they won't always break him... but a lack of hope will do it every time, and it's through personal communication -sharing- that we gain our individual and collective strengths. So, no: if we lose the simple trait of personal communication we've sunk into a pretty deep chasm. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 218478 Canada 04/11/2007 12:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some big-wig will get a 50 million dollar raise for this stroke of genious, as it is projected that this change could save up 49 million anually. The 1 to 50 million dollar short fall will be made up with a rate increase on non-junk mail. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 208180You know where the bear shit. Shat. Whatever. You're right. |
gsbltd (OP) User ID: 221097 United States 04/11/2007 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 219466: OKAY, 'Illumi-Bunny' how about backing up what youv'e posted? SORRY: but your riposte falls short. I can VERIFY everything I've stated -not to mention that I'm employed by the USPS- so, why not slink back from whence you came and leave this thread alone? I GUARANTEE I won't be so nice next time you intrude... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 221103 Australia 04/11/2007 03:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WHY ARE THEY BREAKING OUR MACHINE?!!!!!!!??!!!????! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 192017It was working just fine. I am with great ire. It's called Fascism. Hand over public utilities to private companies who can then jack the price to pretty much whatever they want as they invariably have a monopoly (that is the main attraction). The government and Jewish bankers still get their share through income tax charged on utility company profits however, most importantly, free from blame when the cost of services are hiked. |
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Illumi-Bunny User ID: 219466 United States 04/11/2007 03:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 219466: OKAY, 'Illumi-Bunny' how about backing up what youv'e posted? SORRY: but your riposte falls short. Quoting: gsbltdI can VERIFY everything I've stated -not to mention that I'm employed by the USPS- so, why not slink back from whence you came and leave this thread alone? I GUARANTEE I won't be so nice next time you intrude... What the USPS is doing is ALLOWING door-to-door delivery in places where the USPS does NOT do that now, such as in large apartment buildings and office complexes. It does NOT take ANY jobs away from USPS Mail Carriers. BTW, whoever the f*&k you are (gsbltd), you can KISS my ass, if you can find it. - |
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Sir_Chancealot User ID: 164485 United States 04/11/2007 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a NASTY little bit of business that my employer -the USPS - is currently pushing: domestic outsourcing of the city/rural mail delivery to the lowest bidders ... Quoting: gsbltdGod Damn it! The USPS is one of the few CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES of the U.S. Government. How the fuck do you outsource a constitutional duty? I want to bid on the "free speech" thing. |
Sir_Chancealot User ID: 164485 United States 04/11/2007 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 192017: Quoting: gsbltdYou know, what you suggest would really be the precursor to chaos. Know why? Because when [not IF] TSHTF and all internet service is gone, and newspapers only print special editions and TV signals are limited to emergency broadcast info the final frontier of unfiltered information exchange will be through the U.S. Mail -or it's equivalent. You can deprive a man of many things and he can still endure: he can learn to be hungry when there is no food; he can learn to toil for no pay, he can be shamed publicly. These things may bend a man but they won't always break him... but a lack of hope will do it every time, and it's through personal communication -sharing- that we gain our individual and collective strengths. So, no: if we lose the simple trait of personal communication we've sunk into a pretty deep chasm. When TSHTF, remember this: A regular everyday wireless router, set on a roof of a 2 story house, has much, much, much more range than you realize. |
gsbltd (OP) User ID: 221760 United States 04/11/2007 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 219466: you have NO idea what you're talking about, and you have a filthy mouth. Housing developements with high population densities such as mega-apartment complexes and mobile home parks do NOT have door-to-door deliveries [Express Mail and Registered mailpieces are two exceptions] - instead, they have CBU's installed at strategic locations. I've also noticed a shady trend of carriers not even bothering to take parcels out on their route to these developements... they merely leave a PS3849 form [Notice of Attempted Delivery] telling the customer their parcel is at the station waiting to be picked up. This is NOT the way our system has worked in the past: all mailpieces were at least supposed to be attempted and not just left in our building because it was inconvenient to deliver them. and, YES: jobs ARE being taken from those postal workers who have already passed a 3-1/2 hr battery exam, submitted to a physical/drug screening and supplied their fingerprints to the FBI - and let's not forget the oath they all swore to protect the U.S. Constitution and the sanctity of the mail. You outsiders just don't understand the nuts-and-bolts of daily mail delivery; customer such as yourself may take it for granted, but we certainly don't! 63079: do you live in a rural area? Sounds like you have that type of delivery -your carrier may not look like a USPS employee since they have no uniform requirements [other than an official I.D.] and use their private vehicles [which are supposed to be clearly marked as carrying U.S. mail]; but at least they are subject to a formal background check before hiring. Their benefit package and payscale are also radically different than our 'regular' workforce. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 161368 United States 04/11/2007 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a NASTY little bit of business that my employer -the USPS - is currently pushing: domestic outsourcing of the city/rural mail delivery to the lowest bidders ... Quoting: Sir_ChancealotGod Damn it! The USPS is one of the few CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES of the U.S. Government. How the fuck do you outsource a constitutional duty? I want to bid on the "free speech" thing. The USPS and the United States Post Office are two different animals. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71498 United States 04/11/2007 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know how it can be any worse for me. My local PO lost 4 of my packages this year. The drivers lie about making deliveries. I have to go pick up packages because they're too lazy to bring them to my door. I'll use any carrier for my business except USPS. |