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04/10/2007 07:41 PM
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Here's a NASTY little bit of business that my employer -the USPS - is currently pushing: domestic outsourcing of the city/rural mail delivery to the lowest bidders with only MINIMAL background checks and qualifications required!!

[link to www.nalc.org]

[When you access the above link you'll have to click on the article which will take you to a PDF display. SORRY! I can't seem to link this article directly.]

One of my carriers came storming into the station yesterday fuming about this situation [which is a DONE deal] and, he was right to do so. Imagine YOUR mail: your bills, medical info, every little thing you get daily being trusted to a carrier whose only requirements for a successful background check are a Driver's License and proof of county residency? That's the case in central Florida as I speak. When I joined the USPS I supplied THREE sets of fingerprints; one set for local Postal Inspectors and two for Washington DC files.

It's cheaper and more efficient say our top brass - it's also highly risky, with several of these would-be carriers ALREADY being caught taking undelivered mail home with them... and one report of a 'carrier' enlisting the help of a couple of children on his route. NOW you can start to understand why the rank-and-file [and privately, management as well] are royally pissed off at this latest USPS attempt to save a few bucks. [Don't get me started on the new rate increase: it's our most convoluted and F'ed-up change to date- next to THIS one, that is!!]

You may not realise it, but your letter carrier takes great pride in protecting YOUR privacy and the sanctity of the mail - each and every one of us employees [up until NOW, that is!] raised our hands and swore an oath to do just that when we were hired; and MOST of us take that oath very seriously.

Oh, sure: the NALC [letter-carriers union] are screaming about this new assault and grievances are flying faster than your laundry in a Kansas tornado... but, until final arbitration is accomplished the USPS can merrily go right on hiring these non-professionals; it's also interesting to note that currently USPS carriers have no binding union contract - TPTB are still haggling over the details as they do every time it comes up for renewal.

BTW: this isn't just happening in central Florida, it's being used increasingly all across the nation.

So, this is one postal worker who'd like to ask the public to scream BLOODY MURDER about this to whomever will listen, because it's a slippery slope that will take the privacy of your personal correspondance right down the drain. And, neither you- nor us USPS employees want that.
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04/10/2007 07:44 PM
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heads up is always good.

suppose it will all be taken over by fed ex eventually?
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04/10/2007 07:58 PM
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Some big-wig will get a 50 million dollar raise for this stroke of genious, as it is projected that this change could save up 49 million anually. The 1 to 50 million dollar short fall will be made up with a rate increase on non-junk mail.
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04/10/2007 08:00 PM
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Before its over we'll beg to have Newman re-instated.
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04/10/2007 08:03 PM
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Actually: we signed contracts with FED EX a couple of years ago allowing them to place their collection boxes on postal property so the wheels have been greased, so to speak, and where once upon a time [not so long ago] USPS stations refused deliveries from competitors now we have DHL, UPS and FED EX trucks rolling up to our docks every day.

And, just last year we signed an agreement with UPS to use their fleet of aircraft to move some of our mail.

Mind you: UPS kicks our asses when it comes to parcel deliveries and many USPS employees privately wish UPS would just handle ALL of those deliveries and leave the 1st class mail to us.

I -and many other long-term postal employees- just don't know WHERE these unholy alliances will take us - or your mail. But, I can tell you this: just today I had a carrier with over 20yrs of street experience say she was going back to school to attempt study that would allow her to enter a new field, should the USPS just move entirely into the private sector for their largest workforce. Think about their savings: no union restrictions, few [if any] benefits and a MUCH-LOWER payrate! Pretty staggering ramifications if this nasty current business approach succeeds.
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04/10/2007 08:05 PM
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WHY ARE THEY BREAKING OUR MACHINE?!!!!!!!??!!!????!
It was working just fine.
I am with great ire.
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04/10/2007 08:08 PM
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It's NICE to hear feedback from other USPS employees on this. And YEAH: we all feel about the same way!

This may be one of those issues that actually unites the rank-and-file and lower management to a common cause; let's just hope that the DC beancounters don't destroy a system that HAS worked for over 250 years.
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04/10/2007 08:10 PM
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Hey if the Mexicans can't do a simple little thing like deliver our mail what in hell are they here for?
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04/10/2007 08:14 PM
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That's exactly MY point: it ISN'T an easy little thing to deliver your mail on a daily basis... especially with the 'improvements' in automation [and our new Bio-Hazard detection equipment]: the mail sortation process was NEVER ideal after the carriers stopped casing your mail personally every morning... but NOW it's a real nightmare on some routes and a seasoned carrier is lucky to get everything where it belongs... let alone some yahoo who can barely read an address! Get the picture?
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04/10/2007 08:18 PM
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That's exactly MY point: it ISN'T an easy little thing to deliver your mail on a daily basis... especially with the 'improvements' in automation [and our new Bio-Hazard detection equipment]: the mail sortation process was NEVER ideal after the carriers stopped casing your mail personally every morning... but NOW it's a real nightmare on some routes and a seasoned carrier is lucky to get everything where it belongs... let alone some yahoo who can barely read an address! Get the picture?
 Quoting: gsbltd

The first things to go will be the personal mail. They'll make sure bills and junk mail get through.
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04/10/2007 08:26 PM
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My parents retired from the post office. The US has the BEST mail service in the world. Unfortunately, they've been trying to do this and break the union for 30 years. Now they have competition from private industries.

It's a sad state of affairs.
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04/10/2007 08:27 PM
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If anyone is happy that the Post Office might be hiring casuals or anyone else with a pulse to deliver the mail, think about what happened when the courts broke up Ma Bell. Phone service hasn't been as good since.
It's a real crap shoot to mail valuable objects in other countries, but in the US, it's assumed that it will get to the rightful party. That might change if the people who serve you fries become the people who deliver your mail.
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04/10/2007 08:31 PM
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192017:

You know, what you suggest would really be the precursor to chaos. Know why?

Because when [not IF] TSHTF and all internet service is gone, and newspapers only print special editions and TV signals are limited to emergency broadcast info the final frontier of unfiltered information exchange will be through the U.S. Mail -or it's equivalent.

You can deprive a man of many things and he can still endure: he can learn to be hungry when there is no food; he can learn to toil for no pay, he can be shamed publicly. These things may bend a man but they won't always break him... but a lack of hope will do it every time, and it's through personal communication -sharing- that we gain our individual and collective strengths.

So, no: if we lose the simple trait of personal communication we've sunk into a pretty deep chasm.
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04/10/2007 11:20 PM
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Theoretically one could bid zero dollars then sell the mail as scrap paper.
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04/10/2007 11:26 PM
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EXCELLENT!!! I will FINALLY get a job!!!
hf
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04/11/2007 12:06 AM
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Utter garbage, and not at ALL what is happening.




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04/11/2007 12:15 AM
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soon all american trucking industry will be replaced by mexicans. now USPS is outsourcing labor, good bye middle class amerika
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04/11/2007 12:24 AM
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MPS

Mexican Postal Service
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Some big-wig will get a 50 million dollar raise for this stroke of genious, as it is projected that this change could save up 49 million anually. The 1 to 50 million dollar short fall will be made up with a rate increase on non-junk mail.
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You know where the bear shit. Shat. Whatever. You're right.
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04/11/2007 01:49 AM
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219466: OKAY, 'Illumi-Bunny' how about backing up what youv'e posted? SORRY: but your riposte falls short.

I can VERIFY everything I've stated -not to mention that I'm employed by the USPS- so, why not slink back from whence you came and leave this thread alone? I GUARANTEE I won't be so nice next time you intrude...
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04/11/2007 03:05 AM
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WHY ARE THEY BREAKING OUR MACHINE?!!!!!!!??!!!????!
It was working just fine.
I am with great ire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 192017


It's called Fascism.

Hand over public utilities to private companies who can then jack the price to pretty much whatever they want as they invariably have a monopoly (that is the main attraction).

The government and Jewish bankers still get their share through income tax charged on utility company profits however, most importantly, free from blame when the cost of services are hiked.
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04/11/2007 03:20 AM
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The USPS is a private corporation.
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The USPS is a private corporation.
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It is still government-owned.
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04/11/2007 03:31 AM
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219466: OKAY, 'Illumi-Bunny' how about backing up what youv'e posted? SORRY: but your riposte falls short.

I can VERIFY everything I've stated -not to mention that I'm employed by the USPS- so, why not slink back from whence you came and leave this thread alone? I GUARANTEE I won't be so nice next time you intrude...
 Quoting: gsbltd


What the USPS is doing is ALLOWING door-to-door delivery in places where the USPS does NOT do that now, such as in large apartment buildings and office complexes. It does NOT take ANY jobs away from USPS Mail Carriers.

BTW, whoever the f*&k you are (gsbltd), you can KISS my ass, if you can find it.





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04/11/2007 09:04 AM
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The USPS is a private corporation.



It is still government-owned.
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and that too is a private corporation.
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04/11/2007 09:25 AM
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Since moving to CO over a year ago, my mail has never been delivered by anyone in a USPS vehicle or wearing a USPS uniform. It's just an individual in some run down, unmarked sedan.
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04/11/2007 10:20 AM
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Here's a NASTY little bit of business that my employer -the USPS - is currently pushing: domestic outsourcing of the city/rural mail delivery to the lowest bidders ...
 Quoting: gsbltd

God Damn it! The USPS is one of the few CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES of the U.S. Government. How the fuck do you outsource a constitutional duty? I want to bid on the "free speech" thing.
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04/11/2007 10:24 AM
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192017:

You know, what you suggest would really be the precursor to chaos. Know why?

Because when [not IF] TSHTF and all internet service is gone, and newspapers only print special editions and TV signals are limited to emergency broadcast info the final frontier of unfiltered information exchange will be through the U.S. Mail -or it's equivalent.

You can deprive a man of many things and he can still endure: he can learn to be hungry when there is no food; he can learn to toil for no pay, he can be shamed publicly. These things may bend a man but they won't always break him... but a lack of hope will do it every time, and it's through personal communication -sharing- that we gain our individual and collective strengths.

So, no: if we lose the simple trait of personal communication we've sunk into a pretty deep chasm.
 Quoting: gsbltd

When TSHTF, remember this: A regular everyday wireless router, set on a roof of a 2 story house, has much, much, much more range than you realize.
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04/11/2007 12:21 PM
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219466: you have NO idea what you're talking about, and you have a filthy mouth.

Housing developements with high population densities such as mega-apartment complexes and mobile home parks do NOT have door-to-door deliveries [Express Mail and Registered mailpieces are two exceptions] - instead, they have CBU's installed at strategic locations. I've also noticed a shady trend of carriers not even bothering to take parcels out on their route to these developements... they merely leave a PS3849 form [Notice of Attempted Delivery] telling the customer their parcel is at the station waiting to be picked up. This is NOT the way our system has worked in the past: all mailpieces were at least supposed to be attempted and not just left in our building because it was inconvenient to deliver them.

and, YES: jobs ARE being taken from those postal workers who have already passed a 3-1/2 hr battery exam, submitted to a physical/drug screening and supplied their fingerprints to the FBI - and let's not forget the oath they all swore to protect the U.S. Constitution and the sanctity of the mail.

You outsiders just don't understand the nuts-and-bolts of daily mail delivery; customer such as yourself may take it for granted, but we certainly don't!

63079: do you live in a rural area? Sounds like you have that type of delivery -your carrier may not look like a USPS employee since they have no uniform requirements [other than an official I.D.] and use their private vehicles [which are supposed to be clearly marked as carrying U.S. mail]; but at least they are subject to a formal background check before hiring. Their benefit package and payscale are also radically different than our 'regular' workforce.
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Here's a NASTY little bit of business that my employer -the USPS - is currently pushing: domestic outsourcing of the city/rural mail delivery to the lowest bidders ...

God Damn it! The USPS is one of the few CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES of the U.S. Government. How the fuck do you outsource a constitutional duty? I want to bid on the "free speech" thing.
 Quoting: Sir_Chancealot


The USPS and the United States Post Office are two different animals.
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I don't know how it can be any worse for me. My local PO lost 4 of my packages this year. The drivers lie about making deliveries. I have to go pick up packages because they're too lazy to bring them to my door. I'll use any carrier for my business except USPS.





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