the hanged man in destiny's hands

i thought you made it sound pretty simple.. i guess im way way too isolated, certainly not brooding myself though but love is not always my greatest radiation either.

im working on it.. slowly. took me forever to figure out the old saying. "you have to love yourself before you can love others"

The biggest mistake in matters of love is using someone else's definitions and perceptions of it. Consort with who ye will.... wisely. Most importantly.. one must acknowledge and respect the sovereignty of other individuals, who can fault ye then?


p.s. It is not the highest path to mimic the 'gods', for there is often much foulness within them as with all others.. just with more magick!

thats the biggest mis take in matters of all words. and that was also what immediately came to mind aswell but it seems to be a big turn off to others everytime is reply with "define _____"


so, since you brought it up. what is your definition of "gods"?


not really, i actually ask that everytime "god" or "gods" enters a discussion.

and the reaction some folks have IRL when you ask that is priceless sometimes ;-)

Op is a vampire and she's sucking dicks.

I didn't see this wasn't addressed at me, but I guess I can answer.

Well it is what it sounds like, isn't it?
There are creator gods...there are planets...there are archetypes. There's 0, the source, what most call God. so far as I can tell gods are different forms of consciousness. they exist on a different level metaphysically. sometimes I call them "entities". they can be energetically experienced or channeled.

...I'm sucking dicks?
That was what you came up with?

I think the love I'm thinking of is the love of life? And you know, the love that a mystic ought to feel for our interconnected whole...agape.

it wasnt, but what about your definiion for 'love'?

i think gods are whatever you trust.

"in god we trust"

as for all creation, to me, that means nature. but i differentiate natures creation from mans. so metaphysics, archetypes, entities, corporations, egragores, etc. are not natural.

i maybe missing something here myself too but this is where im at with it now. i do ponder the "all is mind" idea but no easy way to confirm or deny that, so i dont

Oh well, I'm an esotericist so you know, I could really ramble for awhile about how consciousness creates the material world. Actually it was quantum physics that made me realize it, not spirituality. Back in those days, I was a determinist, an atheist, etc etc. Fedora tipping skeptical youth.

Love? I think that's the hardest word in the English language to give a definition for. It's a pure feeling for me. I mean of course so often that purity attracts pain, because love is so vulnerable. But on its own, I just find it's a very pure feeling in the heart that comes with the joy, the revel, of a person, place, or thing...

It's hard to pin down. I'd say that love is abstract and that's why it goes well with poetry, but love is also rhythmic like the beating of a heart and that's why it goes so well with music. Love is open, love accepts and understands and embraces.

Love is...a feeling that really feels real.

there is a recent thread for that: Thread: A thesis about consciousness that goes beyond time, politics, race, religion and science. (Page 3)




'realize' what is real?

yeah, ive briefly looked into the quasi theories and such (quantum physics etc.) very compelling for sure but i do not have the equipment to DIY so there that issue of trust to deal with. science is just a religion.



yeah, love is where words fall short. but it could be what makes the world go round. lol i mean, the energy that makes all the trons that make all the atoms, that makes everything 'real'


i like the unconditional branch of it most ;-)


i enjoy discussions like this, it makes me think and sometimes connects some dots. (grow) GLP folks are very interesting like that.

I saw the OP. Me and OP are probably on the same page with respect to what we believe but I felt their explanation was a bit sparse.




I mean...anything you don't question sufficiently is dogma, be it science or religion. The experiment I'm thinking of, the one which shows that light is both a particle and a wave, is not difficult to replicate.




Yes, GLP can be good for conversations. I don't know if you can tell, but I'm a fan of thoughtful discourse myself. I can entertain myself when I'm going off on a tangent, but I'm feeling quieter tonight so it's nice to have discussion.

I think if you believe that though, that love is what makes everything real, you aren't too far from believing that existing is more real than material things are.

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well, that's not fair of me to say. the subjects the OP broaches are very detailed topics and putting them together coherently and concisely is a lot to ask. I probably just would have focused down on some different points.

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I was just recently locked out of my account, but... Just so you know, OP, almost everything you've been saying I agree with and can highly relate to on a pretty damn personal level. I'll add more thoughts and responses when I have more time, but thank you for posting... I feel as though I was lead here by the flow of the universe, in fact, I know that I was.

...But, enough about me. I have a question for you, if you'd be so kind as to answer. When you look towards the horizon, what do you see, and when do you see it? How does it make you feel...? That is what I would like to know...sorry if it's strange, but I doubt you'd think that, anyways.
Hehe. Anyhow, don't listen to the others about love. It's a basic force that binds the universe together...it's a way in which different souls connect to create higher forms of being; higher consciousness. However, it can come in the form of anything. Just as the Velveteen Rabbit was made real by love, so too can your love for what cannot always be perceived make those things perceptible.

And the best part is, that mystery will never run out...the well only grows deeper. And darker... But that is why we are here, now. We emerged from the well, only to fall back in. And now, there's no strength to climb out. We must find what we can in the darkness, and create anew-- only using that tiny pinprick of light-the opening-as our guide.
But we can do it. We're not only human. But, since we are at least somewhat human...I'm certain we can do anything we put our minds to.
It's dangerous to rely on others.
However, you will be in more danger if you are unwilling to accept help.
Balance is key...though balance and symmetry aren't synonymous, as some seem to think.

Oh, anyhow, sorry for all the writing. Now I'm doubting you'll read all of this, but I suppose whatever will be will be. I am a believer in fate, you know?

Please answer my silly questions...
Thank you, sincerely.

uh huh, its kind of a struggle for me. and how i end up on threads like yours.

any belief will necessarily require an absence of knowledge though. i figure im still pretty ignorant, but try not to be ignorant of my own ignorance and these discussion help me with that.

and i do look forward to reading more from you when you get in the zone you were in when starting this thread.

sorry if ive been a distraction.

I believe if we take the issue of homosexuality it would show the complexities of Rightousness.

Two men loving each other does NOT break any Divine Laws.

A man who SODOMISES another human breaks the laws.

Sodomy is an ACT of freewill, however the person who is receptive has their temple (physical body) VIOLATED.

Modern medicine proves this as the body's internals are compromised and things like anal fissures develop. The vagina naturally made for the physical act of pleasure and for creation.

So a sodomiser can now be thought of as a psychopath as they INTENTIONALLY desecrate anothers temple for personal pleasure. The receiver a masochist.

Do I care for the sodomiser and the receiver? No. If both are consenting adults they can do what they want.

Would I change the Man Made Laws? No.

As the Matriarch of my bloodline I DO care. My sons when they are conceived will be MY creation MY progeny.

Any man or warlock who decides to do this to my sons will have their throat slit ear to ear. My sons will be taught the old ways.

Am I Rightous in thought? Yes, as I stand by my absolute will (protection of my bloodline, my progeny).

Do other people believe I am Rightous in thought? I honestly don't care.

I don't have hatred for what people ARE, I have a strong dislike for some of what they DO, mostly I stick to the rule of minding my own business in this and many other issues.

Strong emotions that accompany Rightousness are natural and may be tempered by REASON and DISCERNMENT. Then they may subside.

Being reactive is not WISE, however, being reactive is normal for a human being.

The lion laying down with the lamb ......

I clearly remember the pictures that went with this verse showing an image of a lion and a lamb. Never was it a wolf. There is symbolic meaning to the lion. Wondering why the change to the wolf? To my understanding the lion represented "regalia", and "right to rule", while the wolf is the "deceiver", aka the "wolf in sheep's clothing". I believe the juxtaposition of the wolf with the lamb, in the context of the fable of the wolf deceiving the lamb by dressing in a sheep's form, has symbolic meaning for us. Anti-Christ maybe?

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I guess that would be the best biblical interpretation, yes.
Dressed as a sheep!
I just made a huge connection

...

I do a lot of symbol work, and have studied comparative religion, mythology etc ...

There are very distinct differences between the symbolism of the lion and the wolf.

The lion has been regarded as destroyer and also as protector. The wolf is largely associated with deception and destruction; "keep the wolf from the door", "wolf in sheep's clothing", "he is a wolf".

If I remember rightly, Christ was said to return "as a lion, not as a lamb". No mention of Christ returning as a wolf.

I think this is significant.

Wolf is more of a shadow symbol, wouldn't you agree?

I must admit... i finally found satisfaction in reading a thread (well not entirely, i still have one and a half page to go :-) ).
So, i'll take my time and meanwhile i will say just:
Thank you

Glad you enjoyed it some

both lion and wolf are symbolic of healing

the main difference is that lion is a protector while wolf is a purifier

Do you picture the wolf in scripture as white?

You guys should also remember that the symbol for the sun was not always just the lion but also the wolf.
Well, the wolf was in more ancient times, prior to the biblical ones.
Then you should also have to consider that the wolf is a symbol of an age of hunting while the lamb of an age of agriculture.
So, having the wolf lying with the lamb it could have more meanings than just one.

i think nature is a better lens to picture the spirit of an animal through than scripture

white or black, a wolf is a wolf...

This may actually be a bit too straightforward to be an interpretation
but sometimes I wonder if it means that a day will come where the jungle isn't ruled by laws of blood anymore. Maybe the sheep becomes part of the pack

You'd need to be a Lion if the entire flock were wolves with lambs clothing...

:)

All it not what it seems to be -- turned-upside down you'll see it shake-out when it's turned right-side up again...

Unconditional is love -- anything with condition meant in any negative way is or which leads to any negative which is pushed as positive is a lie...

Lies are always conditions meant to disguise the truth to keep others from finding it...

Best,

For later...

Or a time where both the understanding of the jungle and the farm comes together for resolution and resolving.
On the other hand if you see the wolf as the father (some would prefer mother role to this though) and lamb as the son... it pictures another painting.
But i guess the time is too young to see a wolf for what it is and not for what we were taught that it is.