Apollo 20 - secret mission ?

Ohh i have to look for the paper work for a secret mission to the moon. Come on, think man.
It would have been a secret mission
Secret -kept, meant to be kept from knowledge of others; hidden.
Thats from a 'Dictionary'.
Didn't they run the mission passed you before launch?

The fact that there are source pics at LPI for the 'crashed ship' is kind of interesting (scroll right):

[link to www.lpi.usra.edu]

[link to www.lpi.usra.edu]

So how do you hide the launch of a 365 foot tall, 6.5 million pound vehicle?

easy you launch it from somewhere no one can see...i.e. woomera. Or you have a different launch vehicle.
Seems you like going round in circles.

"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
I liked this quote

Here's an idea:

Why don't the people who think Apollo was faked because the technology wasn't there (such as the ability to go beyond the van Allan belts) argue with the people who think Apollo was possible - and that they even sent out secret missions no one knows about.

Let both CT "sides" argue with each other about how all that stuff was done without anyone knowing.

The rest of us should just step back and leave them to their lunacy.

What other launch vehicle had the capability to launch an Apollo CSM/LM stack on a lunar trajectory?

And, i ask yet again, where are the launch facilities for this booster in Australia?

Oh, thats right, you don't know, because they don't exist.

Kid, you are out of your depth.

But watch out, he "also did some debating"...

Scary.

The fact that there are source pics at LPI for the 'crashed ship' is kind of interesting (scroll right):

[link to www.lpi.usra.edu]

[link to www.lpi.usra.edu]
but i am sure you can disprove these photos.
Poke fun at me all you like, it wont change these photos.
U learn lots in debating.. things like people who go down the personal attack road are already beaten because they are not letting the fact talk.
3222 and TC seemed to already made up their minds at the start of this thread.

Yes but what we have is 2 videos that match photos on the NASA database.This thread is about that.Not to debate the Apollo missions and/or moon landings. I agree on the Van Allan Belts but i consider the photos/videos to be new evidence.
If the evidence is real, it is easy to see why it would be secret.
I don't believe points like no one seen it take off or it couldn't be sent because of no radio contact from the farside of the moon as reasons to it being fake.
If the photos are fake then maybe it is fake but i guess only NASA can answer that.But to think just because the information of the mission has not been released to the public it has to be fake is just silly.
By the way i am not a kid, maybe you should read the thread and see why i was in Canberra for 18 months.

The first photo linked to back in the OP of this thread was taken on the Apollo 15 mission. What's the big deal about it?

cause it has the same object that is in the first 2 videos.

What object? Point it out in that photo.

I agree with you, the United States has had secret vehicles in space since the beginning of the space program, "especially Blue Gemini" which recovered numerous foreign artifacts in space. So much so that it lead to cancer for Dr. Michael Wolf, Dr. Carl Sagan and a CIA Director or two.

Just because Americas Apollo program stopped at 17 to the public, that does not mean that our space program has been at a standstill. Anyone who thinks it has, lacks critical investigative skills.

America has approximately 1,400 underground bases beneath our very own feet, we are presently on the moon and have been for some time, further, we are on Mars.

To continue, there really are "Anunnaki " out there, and for the most part TPTB are extremely sensitive about talking about "them" in particular.

As far as space life forms out there, they are in the trillions, you do not need the Drake equation to tell you that, just common sense.

Regarding Apollo 20 or whatever name it was called, and after just purchasing the Lunar Orbital digital disks and further researching all available data, that I am aware of, on this 1 mile to over 2 mile ship north of Izak crater.

To the chase, I`ll state for the record, IMHO, that the ship is "REAL" but I have no comment on the "City".

It appears,the ship, was struck down from meteors and crash landed perhaps due to depressurization .

Further, I do not believe the ship is billions of years old but speculate that it is from a few thousand years old to less then 400,000 years old, a possible remnant of Enki or Marduk Ra(Anunnaki).........LEGION

for LEGION.

If the ship movie is a fake I don't understand why it is freely delivered on youtube instead of trying make money with it.

The object that is in the videos. They are on page 1 of this thread. Watch them see the object and then look at the photos. Its good to see that you read the whole thread and watched the videos before making comments....

Apollo 20
Charles Conrad, Commander
Paul Weitz, Command Module Pilot
Jack Lousma, Lunar Module Pilot



These is the officially schedules crew, but this mission was CANCELED

look here

[link to nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
"As the Apollo's Saturn IB launcher and CSM were all surplus material, from the U.S. point of view, ASTP was the most inexpensive manned space program ever mounted."
Very interesting. would seem that cost was not a factor in canceling the Apollo missions, well some anyway.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
"In 1964/5 Grumman, the primary contrator for the Apollo LM systems, attempted to interest the USAF and Navy in a military version of CSM/LM configuration. The LM would have been equipped with a manipulator arm and projectile weapons to intercept and disable enemy satellites. The proposal was never fully developed and was abandoned in 1967. In the same time period, Grumman proposed using an Apollo spacecraft to send a mission to land on a Near-Earth asteroid."

I remember reading a few years ago a US navy document referring to their space program and a plan to build a 'Space Shuttle' like craft.The only thing was the document was from the late 50's ( I think) maybe early 60's. Any know of this document or design?

[link to www.astronautix.com]

" * 1959 April 24 - All three military services studying a base on the moon -

Testifying before the Senate Committee on Aeronautical and Space Sciences, Maj. Gen. Bernard A. Schriever, Commander of the Air Force Ballistic Missile Division, stated that all three military services should be studying the possibility of a base on the moon. Up to that point, he felt, all such studies had been "in the blue thinking.""

" * 1961 January 1 - US Navy lunar landing program -

A US Navy lunar landing program was headed by the inimitable Dr. Nicolaides at China Lake. The team's Soft-Landing Vehicle (SLV) began control testing in a large rig in 1961. The SLV would have sent a dog to the moon in 1963, and returned a soil sample in 1964. A scaled-up version of the lander was to have put a Navy man on the lunar surface by 1967. Further Navy lunar efforts, like those of the Army and Air Force, were discontinued after NASA was given the Apollo moon landing project in April 1961."

[link to www.nasaspaceflight.com]

[link to www.astronautix.com]

[link to www.astronautix.com]
"The RITA-B would perform a manned Mars mission, with departure in late 1967. A single RITA-B would be refuelled in low earth orbit by multiple launches of other RITA-B's. It would then depart for a direct flight to the Martian surface and return. The vehicle could use body lift to produce an L/D ratio of 0.7 for aerobraking to the Martian surface and on return to earth. With a total delta-V capability of 20.7 km/sec, RITA-B was capable of making the flight to Mars in 225 days."

USAF Dynasoar.

[link to www.astronautix.com]

"The study concluded that safe, lower cost lunar missions could be completed by the private sector using existing technology or innovative new technology. NASA had announced plans for a lunar mission expected to cost $104 billion over 13 years. SpaceDev’s results indicate a more comprehensive series of missions could be completed in a fraction of the time for one-tenth of the cost."

[link to www.astronautix.com]
Very interesting read!!!

[link to www.astronautix.com]

"The study concluded that safe, lower cost lunar missions could be completed by the private sector using existing technology or innovative new technology. NASA had announced plans for a lunar mission expected to cost $104 billion over 13 years. SpaceDev’s results indicate a more comprehensive series of missions could be completed in a fraction of the time for one-tenth of the cost."

[link to www.astronautix.com]
Very interesting read!!!

I know of Dynasoar, this one was a different one.

[link to www.astronautix.com]
more cool stuff
[link to www.astronautix.com]
CIA's National Intelligence Estimate 11-1-67 on Soviet Space Program
[link to www.astronautix.com]

The Adelaide Independent Weekly 23rd May 2007

Woomera range gets US honour

South Australia's Woomera rocket range has been declared a historic aerospace site, a rare honour for a facility outside the United States. The international honour was granted today by the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics, recognising Woomera's history for rocket testing and its ongoing role as an evaluation facility. "This is a rare honour. Woomera is one of only four non-US locations to be internationally recognised by AIAA," federal parliamentary defence secretary Peter Lindsay said. Woomera was synonymous with the testing of long-range missiles and rockets during the Cold War and was also known for the launch and tracking of spacecraft in the early days of the space age. --AAP