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Message Subject Homeowner shoots and wounds intruder with shotgun loaded with bird shot. Intruder survives
Poster Handle Anonymous Coward
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Well, you're WRONG: you come across as being very Angry AND nasty! Every situation is different and everyone reacts differently in even identical scenarios, but have it your way, Honey! In addition to a sidesaddle, my 12ga is also fitted with a 19" barrel and a pistol grip... so, if I ever DO have to use it, I won't be fucking around. And, you're full of shit thinking that anyone under 200# won't be stopped in their tracks when hit with a load of birdshot in the considerable kill zone such a close target presents.
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


I am angry because people are foolishly discussing weapon choices that accelerate and escalate violence.

I am VERY angry at whatever retard is selling apartment owners shotguns to use as clubs and batons, or brandish at people.

I'm angry about naive people being endangered by gunstore salesmen.

I shouldn't be nasty but I live in gunland. We have some very sweet but not very smart people here. I see the kinds of people who are likely to get shot idle beat to death diddling with a gun of very limited use.

Birdshot is a good choice for a mother with her children in the room as a second line defense of someone gets through Dad downstairs. But why is a woman with children living like this?

It's a good choice for a single woman living in an apartment in a bad neighborhood with a serial killer on the prowl.

It's good if you are in the pantry and Jack is breaking through with an ax.

It's a good choice for anyone in a closed populated space with a KNOWN attacked with KNOWN intentions.

I don't know why I bother. It's a survival of the fittest situation but ai really hate to think of innocent people lured by gun salesmen into strategies that i could MAKE someone have to STOP THEM.

Holding a gun in your hands cries USE LETHAL FORCE HERE


Same old thread--someone's going to use a gun to deter attack but holding a gun DRAWS DEFENSIVE ATTACK

Then they are going to use it to put down good dogs, scare off bad ones, signal for distress, light fires by shooting stones, aerate the compost and pound in tent stakes.

I feel innocent and naive people are taken advantage of and endangered too. It makes me mad.
 Quoting: Mama Outlaw


Ok Mama, my guess is you know jackshit about real world self defense situations which involve all different types of combat. Let me give you my background, former US Marine, Combat Vet, H2H istr, CCI, 38 yrs martial arts trainings in various systems. I studied under one of the instructors who helped institute MCMAP Program in the Marines ( AJ Advincula, received first Blk Belt Emeritus the Marine Corps gave for the program)
I was the first person in Louisiana to study and train with Krav Maga Worldwide and the Israeli Krav Maga Federation 20 yrs ago and go through there instructor program to bring it here to La. This was well before the watered down version that is being taught on the civilian market now.
I posted what I did because it works for me, as for as anyone saying birdshot is not good for SD then they have not had to use it it close quarters and seen the outcome. Yeah if your 20 or 30 yrds away, then your pickin B.B., our your ass. 10ft or less with a 12ga and your most likely dead with one shot. To give you a visual , headshot, half of headface missing. So , believe what you want, listen to whatever you tubers ( I didn’t watch your vid) you want to. My experience comes from real world training , experience, situations and those that have been in it many times . You can never ever be too prepared or too armed or think you know too much. So don’t knock birdshot when you don’t know what the f’k your talking about.
 Quoting: Mkjeep


Chip, all I was saying is that it would be foolish for someone like me to think I could ever use birdshot against someone like you. I don't want my kind to get hurt by overconfidence or overreliance.

I mean, let's say we met in some bardo and I had a great birdgun, and you had nothing. Just your training and experience. And we engaged. Outnone hundred simultaneous occurances, how many would I win?would I win!
 Quoting: Mama Outlaw


Dang lady don't be a chicken shit. Shoot fast.

My grandma would win the fight. She shoots very well.
 
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