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Crawford County Sheriff Ron Brown said the owner of a home in the 2700 block of Clear Creek Road east of Van Buren was awakened about 3 a.m. Wednesday by a home alarm that signaled a break-in in his detached garage. Grabbing a shotgun loaded with birdshot, the homeowner went to investigate.

When he entered the garage he was confronted by the intruder, Brown said. They fought and the intruder began to run away. The homeowner told deputies it appeared the intruder was heading for the front door of the home and he feared he would go inside. Brown said the homeowner fired a warning shot in the air for the man to stop, then fired one shot at the intruder.

Byrns, who was wounded in the side of the head by birdshot pellets, ran down the road to a vehicle parked about one-eighth of a mile away, authorities said. A woman companion was waiting for him, Brown said.


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It's iffy. You aren't allowed to shoot/kill a fleeing robber, but maybe his wife was inside the house and he feared for her life.
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What was the warning shot for? I you come into a house and the owner is holding a weapon to defend his or her home, isn’t that alarming enough and a sign to GTFO?
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Crawford County Sheriff Ron Brown said the owner of a home in the 2700 block of Clear Creek Road east of Van Buren was awakened about 3 a.m. Wednesday by a home alarm that signaled a break-in in his detached garage. Grabbing a shotgun loaded with birdshot, the homeowner went to investigate.

When he entered the garage he was confronted by the intruder, Brown said. They fought and the intruder began to run away. The homeowner told deputies it appeared the intruder was heading for the front door of the home and he feared he would go inside. Brown said the homeowner fired a warning shot in the air for the man to stop, then fired one shot at the intruder.

Byrns, who was wounded in the side of the head by birdshot pellets, ran down the road to a vehicle parked about one-eighth of a mile away, authorities said. A woman companion was waiting for him, Brown said.


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Heavy buck shot or 7.62 would have sufficed.
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Bird shot is for birds.
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Bird shot is for birds.
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This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
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Should be using 00 buckshot.
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Cut shells will act the same as slugs. Take a knife and cut halfway around the base of the shell and the pellets will stay together:


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Always use slugs
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My dad got shot with birdshot. He was twelve and skinny dipping with the sheriffs daughter.

He had to pick it out but some pieces stayed in his elbow. When my sister (same name as the sheriffs daughter) turned twelve, dad grew a golf ball sized lump on his elbow. It was the birdshot working its way out.

Its funny how the mind-body and memory work.

I feel kind of sorry for the man who got shot. I bet he needed gas to go to work. He was robbing the gas cans.
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What was the warning shot for? I you come into a house and the owner is holding a weapon to defend his or her home, isn’t that alarming enough and a sign to GTFO?
 Quoting: Mr.Fox


there was no warning shot. he had his birdgun loaded in the house. he was a nut. he fired wild, twice. willy nilly.
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My dad got shot with birdshot. He was twelve and skinny dipping with the sheriffs daughter.

He had to pick it out but some pieces stayed in his elbow. When my sister (same name as the sheriffs daughter) turned twelve, dad grew a golf ball sized lump on his elbow. It was the birdshot working its way out.

Its funny how the mind-body and memory work.

I feel kind of sorry for the man who got shot. I bet he needed gas to go to work. He was robbing the gas cans.
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My dad got shot with birdshot. He was twelve and skinny dipping with the sheriffs daughter.

He had to pick it out but some pieces stayed in his elbow. When my sister (same name as the sheriffs daughter) turned twelve, dad grew a golf ball sized lump on his elbow. It was the birdshot working its way out.

Its funny how the mind-body and memory work.

I feel kind of sorry for the man who got shot. I bet he needed gas to go to work. He was robbing the gas cans.
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"to go to work" lol

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Bird shot is for birds.
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This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!

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Bird shot is for birds.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!
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My mossberg is stacked two birdshot two buckshot, the rest slugs.
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Bird shot is for birds.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


My mossberg is stacked two birdshot two buckshot, the rest slugs.
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Reasoning is that if they enter my home they are going to eat at least five shots. Certain death. If in my yard fleeing, whatnot, the two birdshot will slow them down so I can drag them inside and finish. Cops around here say if you shoot someone on your property, just drag them inside, less headache.
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Won't there be a blood trail from all that dragging?
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In Alabamy you would load your shotgun with rocksalt for intruders, put some stinging pain in their asses.





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Won't there be a blood trail from all that dragging?
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Won't there be a blood trail from all that dragging?
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My pitbull will lick it up.
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I have tarps aswell to drag the body without leaving a trail. Burn pile in the back for the tarp.
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Won't there be a blood trail from all that dragging?
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My pitbull will lick it up.
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I have tarps aswell to drag the body without leaving a trail. Burn pile in the back for the tarp.
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You're so witty.
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Bird shot is for birds.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


At 6'-8' anyone you could "shred" with birdshot is going to take three steps forward and take it away from you. He could knock you out with a baseball bat.

I'm trying not to sound nasty but I'm angry.

Some people have training and instinct to jump a gun. They will be on you with all they've got and beat you to a pulp, with your birdshot that doesn't penetrate drywall and kill the neighbors.

If you are very timid and frail and are bothered by naked rapists slipping in your bedroom window at night I guess this is a good idea. You can shred the bad guy without damaging your leather upholstery. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation and escalation of threat.
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Won't there be a blood trail from all that dragging?
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My pitbull will lick it up.
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That was funny.
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Bird shot is for birds.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


At 6'-8' anyone you could "shred" with birdshot is going to take three steps forward and take it away from you. He could knock you out with a baseball bat.

I'm trying not to sound nasty but I'm angry.

Some people have training and instinct to jump a gun. They will be on you with all they've got and beat you to a pulp, with your birdshot that doesn't penetrate drywall and kill the neighbors.

If you are very timid and frail and are bothered by naked rapists slipping in your bedroom window at night I guess this is a good idea. You can shred the bad guy without damaging your leather upholstery. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation and escalation of threat.
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12 ga. 7 1/2 shot to the face and chest at 6 ft will stop any human unless they are fully armoured.
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Bird shot is for birds.
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Why in the hell would anybody load fowler shot for home protection???

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...I you come into a house and the owner is holding a weapon to defend his or her home, isn’t that alarming enough and a sign to GTFO?
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No. No. No. No.

No.

If you enter any place, and there is a person with a gun, you have to size that person up VERY FAST.

You probably have to move forward and take the gun away from them. This is the default.

You may have to use your own to shoot them in the head before they shoot you.

You can't run from a gun. You could get shot in the back.

You can back out slowly, but you are taking your chances.

Irs never a good idea to alarm someone intentionally. Alarmed people behave erratically. They always escalate. You assume they will freeze and flee. Some will fight.

It is not unheard of for an unarmed person to attack someone pointing a gun at them and win. When you make a person fear for his life you have activated his energy reserves to fight for his life. He won't be able to turn it off just because he has taken your gun and knocked you down. He won't finish until he's worn down in some cases.

You really can't know who your intruder is or how he will react to a gun.


Guns don't make you safer any more than kitchen appliances make you well nourished or the right vacuum keeps your house clean.
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This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


At 6'-8' anyone you could "shred" with birdshot is going to take three steps forward and take it away from you. He could knock you out with a baseball bat.

I'm trying not to sound nasty but I'm angry.

Some people have training and instinct to jump a gun. They will be on you with all they've got and beat you to a pulp, with your birdshot that doesn't penetrate drywall and kill the neighbors.

If you are very timid and frail and are bothered by naked rapists slipping in your bedroom window at night I guess this is a good idea. You can shred the bad guy without damaging your leather upholstery. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation and escalation of threat.
 Quoting: Mama Outlaw


12 ga. 7 1/2 shot to the face and chest at 6 ft will stop any human unless they are fully armoured.
 Quoting: Mkjeep


OK
...


This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


At 6'-8' anyone you could "shred" with birdshot is going to take three steps forward and take it away from you. He could knock you out with a baseball bat.

I'm trying not to sound nasty but I'm angry.

Some people have training and instinct to jump a gun. They will be on you with all they've got and beat you to a pulp, with your birdshot that doesn't penetrate drywall and kill the neighbors.

If you are very timid and frail and are bothered by naked rapists slipping in your bedroom window at night I guess this is a good idea. You can shred the bad guy without damaging your leather upholstery. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation and escalation of threat.
 Quoting: Mama Outlaw


12 ga. 7 1/2 shot to the face and chest at 6 ft will stop any human unless they are fully armoured.
 Quoting: Mkjeep


Good. Its the weapon of choice for victims of domestic violence.
In those situations where someone calls to say he is in your living room and coming up the stairs to hurt you bad it's the right thing to have in the bedroom, aimed at his face and chest.

Hope like hell hes not crouched to spring at your feet while you shoot harmlessly over him.

Lots of horror movies have scenes where the birdgun would be a great thing.

Any situation where you have to hole up and hide with someone you know you want to kill breaking down the door would be helped by a birdgun.

You can shoot birds with them too.

I don't think you can shoot strangers with them.

I don't think you can effectively address a stranger with a gun that is only able to stop him six feet from you.

Your timing has to be pretty good. Let's say he sees the gun and runs toward you. Shoot him too far back and he's got to kill you. Self preservation says so. Wait too long and he's airborne--and on you.

He can jump on you from six feet--and if he sees a gun he has to. You can blast but there's a good chance you will be grappling and if he's stung he will be feeling no pain and very very mad at you.

It will register in his brain that you aimed a gun and shot at him LONG before it registers that he's fine and you are a pulpy mess gurgling in a puddle.

I guess if you saw on your home security that a man in a mask with an empty knapsack and a knife in his belt was coming through your garage you could shoot him.

I'm just thinking, you hear someone in the hall outside your room, just happen to have your gun with you...

The door opens...

If you know you will shoot this intruder even if it's a little old lady, a child, a dog, your pregnant neighbor, you are good to go.

Otherwise, it will take you longer to identify the person and size up their state than it will take them to be on you beating your head with the butt of your gun.
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Bird shot is for birds.
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Why in the hell would anybody load fowler shot for home protection???
 Quoting: Adytum


You have not seen Hitchcocks The Birds.

Or imagine...if a turkey buzzard somehow got in the house.
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This is what dogs can be for but the popo would have ended up shooting it anyway
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Bird shot is for birds.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


This is true. But birdshot will work fine if you are very, very close. You can still blow a big hole in someone from 2 feet away but from a distance all you'll do is piss them off.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


My mossberg is stacked two birdshot two buckshot, the rest slugs.
 Quoting: Mkjeep



My buckshot is my warning shot.

I just go 2 buck, 2 slug, and repeat