Evolution has dug up another or Drawn it up

we share more DNA with chimps than chimps do with gorillas

why is that?

Endogenous Retroviruses PROVE we share common ancestors with the other apes. Retroviruses insert into somatic cells normally, but when they insert into germline cells it gets passed onto the host's offspring which means when the offspring make offspring the endogenous retrovirus will keep being passed on in the exact same position it was originally inserted into in the original host, forever. This is why humans and chimps share 99.9% of their endogenous retrovirus insertions, over 203,000 ERVs in the exact same position. Retroviruses insert into a random position, to share 1 single ERV in the exact same position with another individual in the same species WITHOUT evolution would be a 1 in 3 billion chance. Yet humans chimps share 99.9% of them. ERVs have the same genes as retroviruses that are around today. ERVs have LTRs which proves they were from retrovirus insertions and the LTRs share the same mutations in multiple species in the exact same ERVs in the exact same positions.


It is literally the best evidence for evolution, it is slam dunk, you can't ask for any better evidence. And theres other similar types of evidence like ALUs.

Koalas have ERVs spreading through their populations in the last 100 years, but not the isolated koala populations.

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If you give people retrovirus of course they will share them, they gave people in my generation a virus from vaccines. Now we can get cow pox, chicken pox, all these disease cause by viruses, and guess what, these other animals can get it from other animals that are nothing ever hinted at being any where never a part of their animal kingdom, neither are apes and mankind any where near or ever was near each other. Hunting retroviruses and at the same time giving it to people in vaccines kind off cuts that theory into pieces. DNA does not show anything like mankind in the strings of DNA.

There is nothing much to do about getting viruses they are all in nature, it the same reason animals get them, they have a way to change their DNA and mutate. So, viruses are a problem for Apes, feline, Dogs, birds, cattle, monkey, mice, horses etc.. it not retrovirus, we have virus just handy idea thou, it does not compute.

These retrovirus insertions did not occur in humans they occurred before humans and chimps split from their common ancestor as both species share 99.9% of their insertions in the exact same position with identical mutations, impossible without evolution. And the same with the ERVs that are shared with humans chimps gorillas and orangutans, they occurred before all these species split from their most recent shared common ancestor. Retroviruses insert into random positions, so if species shared 99.9% of their insertions in the exact same position, it means the insertions occurred before the species split from their most recent common ancestor to all of them.

Sharing even just 1 ERV in the exact same position with identical mutations with multiple species makes no sense without evolution.

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Dang, virus were here before man and apes, don't you know this much? Yes, viruses were here from before all the other animal and lizards died, they are needed. Seems strange yet they are needed. Retrovirus, retro has meaning, virus has meaning get some retro it old also it goes into something being animal or man or soil it does what those virus do, stay there until they do what they are going to do. I can tell you what this retro virus they gave us from a monkey, it comes back and hurts and cripples the nervous system and other parts of our bodies. It causes disabilities in as you get a little older.

It stays then attacks is what it does. Just as chicken pox does more that breaks you out, the virus stays in the body and if there a time of stress, you get the virus causing shingles a very painful thing. Retro virus in their system from chicken pox, it just keeps giving.

You ever thought when archeologist dig in a place where plague has broken out centuries before, they get sick very sick, they are better off then the ones who caught it before. The medical system is better and some have more immunity from their parents and all the way back in time to other who had it and survived. This is where retroviruses really come from,

They have lived a long, long time, and victims in mankind and animal kind have either lived or died, thinning the herd so to speak. Mankind has a brain and can learn to live with it. Now I would not say these so call thing they dig up are so fine at, they died.

By the way, Lucy was not even remotely human from 40 or less bones. It was nothing manlike at all, it was a sick ape. This is not so hard to understand, they know now that mankind and animal kind just all of a sudden all new life in the type living today just popped sort of into existence, they know this, didn't you hear or did you just disregard it.

This is not my idea, it their finding, they done other thing to find the start, freak they even want to put us all in a matrix kind of being here, of course that also would make a creator exist. Problem, it not a problem not being an ape, I will not stop you if you want to come from and ape line at some point in the far distance pass as other better popped into existence. I have not problem with anyone believing they divided and the ape part went one way and the mankind with another. It not provable only, it ok if that your favor.

From the get go, it was never about where we came from, it was survival of the fittest and that was about the background of the one who claim all he did about this theory. How is your monkey ears, you know that was a sign you came from apes. Monkey ears really this guy thought the shape of your ears them come from monkey, not his own yours.

Remember one other thing, the idea came from his friend who had this idea as some crazy thing loaded to his brain. The did crazy thing in those years. Also his group and parents were atheist and did believe in survival of the fit and that means they did not think others were so fit.I do study who and what brought about theories. I actually found this information about them, from their beginning.

It was a new idea which made it unique idea for the universities to explore and it still was being explored even as people were faking find and got away with some for a length of time before other caught on, they felt like dummies. Now what would people do to cover up embarrassment to their reputations? Go forward and say this person make this bad judgement in their find, thou they to were doing the same. Money got involved which is always bad for any science.

Nothing wrong with finding other things from long ago, just to see what was here without labeling them man, these thing are not even alive now, the new animal came to be, how well I go with instant genesis, really instant genesis. Sometimes I think that instant genesis is playing out today with all those animal coming into being. I also know all of a sudden new animal are that was not before. This is interesting also.

Now think about instant genesis, you can have your pop, and your bang, and there they are. Now, why do I say this, well we had found almost all animals that had lived in the middle of the 1900s. Yes, now their is a whole lot of new ones. Others are dying out. It sea live, and animal kind, you need to watch and see if their is going to be a new mankind of sorts.

You are not understanding the evidence. Retroviruses insert into a RANDOM position. If the shared ERVs are NOT due to evolution, the ERVs would not be in the exact same position in multiple species with the exact same mutations. These are IDENTICAL insertions. NOT just insertions from the same type of retrovirus or different insertion events. The identical ERVs in multiple species came from the SAME original insertion event. These are ANCIENT retrovirus insertions, the ones that are shared with chimps occurred millions of years ago.

The evidence is that we share 99.9% of our ERV insertions in the EXACT same position with IDENTICAL mutations with MULTIPLE species, NOT that retroviruses exist. Your post has nothing to do with anything about the ERV evidence, it is just rambling.

We share 99.9% with chimps, less with gorillas, less with orangutans, less with old world monkeys.

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ERVs contain 2 LTRs. At insertion the 2 LTRs in each ERV are completely identical. In the same LTRs in the same ERVs in multiple species, the more distantly related species have the biggest differences due to how long they have been separated for due to mutation accumulation.

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I do want you to read this if you come back, see the insanity of all these people never stops amazing me. Everyone got these different views some worse than others.

I read some humdinger lately.

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Funny on this one the bottle neck, they never try the flood story that is world over in all people they have talked to, they have this story going through them all.

When doing this type of work, do all the myths, stories plus the other thing just encase you did not take it all into consideration. You can not leave off the ancient stories and oral history just because you do not agree. The Flood story is about the same give or take a 1,000 years ago, say give it 8,000 years or take some. The tablet before the flood, the kingdoms the list of king going back are 360,000 years, Atom and Eve's list is shorter for some reason, of course if you go by the bible and take it as what it said, then they had Cain, Abel, and Cain killed Abel, he went to the land of Nod and there he met his wife and knew her, had relations with here sex. After Cain had many generations, Adam knew is wife Eve and had Seth, then other sons and daughters. These generation mixed with the other groups and Cains. Flood Came and kill the majority of people, those on the boat as all stories go, repopulated the earth. It had 3 male and four woman, they lived long and had many children so, take these and go to a group who are age to bare children the males are are more and more females, there always less males so you have one man many wives and lots of children and yes that can populate quicker than you shake a stick at. From bottleneck to full population coming back, close DNA close in me almost totally back to the one, the father, call him Noah his name is written on that list, he the last one.

The color of his children are also told, it want bull men represent, Noah's son, a white bull, a red bull and a brown bull, strong bulls. Nice is it, back to cattle. Truth is I do think all of these first of the boater's were large tail people, and people after the flood got shorter, not as healthy after the flood. Or not as mixed with something else.

You literally just ignored the best evidence of evolution. If no evidence of evolution would convince you why are you trying to "debate" it? You couldn't ask for better evidence of evolution. It's literally that good of an evidence. No one can debunk it, they have tried, they can't. There cannot be any other explanation. ERVs are all you need to accept evolution, common ancestry. It is impossible for evolution to not be real when theres evidence like ERVs and ALUs.

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You only believe in the flood because of the bible. There is zero evidence of a global flood. If everything was created 6000 years ago then everything further than 6000 light years from us is fake. For light to travel 1 light year it takes 1 year. There are stars that are billions of light years away, which means the light from them had to take billions of years to get here. If dinosaurs were around within the last 6000 years we would have found dinosaur DNA and every other species that has lived. Yet zero dinosaur DNA has been found. DNA can last millions of years.

There are flood stories everywhere because floods happen everywhere. People would have thought tsunamis were the end of the world 10,000 years ago.

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Amazing...

These despots never cease...

Hoax after hoax, fraud after fraud...

"Financed" by (((Them))) to try and convince the hapless they are nothing more than "apes"...

The "Evolution" Hoax seems to be a never-ending, bottomless pit of FRAUD.
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Evolution ain't makin it.

Have a look around you ?

does that mean christianity is wrong because of all the hoaxes christians have made?

Define what 'wrong' means when applied under the standard of evolution theory.

By your own worldview, there is no wrong and no right.
There is no purpose nor meaning, so please, clarify for us idiots.

wrong as in incorrect

erm no we are here because we evolved to be a social species