Esoteric Christianity vs Exoteric Christianity: True Religion of Christ vs Churchianity | |
Wayfaring Stranger User ID: 76285781 ![]() 02/02/2019 08:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ' I wish that Christians would return to Christianity; they have no idea what it really is at all. ' Without trying to blow my own horn the link below is about Christianity, literalist version. Without making you read the whole thing, would that qualify as getting back to the original message? Thread: Day of the Lord, literalist version. |
solvecoagula (OP) User ID: 77338486 ![]() 02/02/2019 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ' I wish that Christians would return to Christianity; they have no idea what it really is at all. ' Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger Without trying to blow my own horn the link below is about Christianity, literalist version. Without making you read the whole thing, would that qualify as getting back to the original message? Thread: Day of the Lord, literalist version. Thread: The True Religion of Christ ![]() ![]() LWWB |
Wayfaring Stranger User ID: 76285781 ![]() 02/02/2019 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Esoteric Christianity vs Exoteric Christianity: True Religion of Christ vs Churchianity Quoting: solvecoagula Jesus Christ was familiar with the Cabbalah; this Science was an integral part of the Judaic tradition in which he was brought up and it was he who revealed it to St John. This is why we find so many cabbalistic elements in St John's Apocalypse. In all spiritual traditions there is an exoteric teaching which is given to all the faithful, and an esoteric teaching which is revealed to a small minority of initiates. The exoteric aspect of Christianity is represented by St Peter and the esoteric aspect by St John. In the Gospels, St John is called 'the disciple whom Jesus loved', and his closeness to Jesus sometimes aroused some jealousy on the part of the other disciples, particularly St Peter. After the Resurrection St Peter questioned Jesus about St John and Jesus replied, 'if I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?' And the Gospels adds, 'Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die.? This is the source of that long-lived tradition according to which St John is still alive and he dwells with other Inititates in Agartha, waiting until that the old legends about the mysterious kingdom of Prester John originated in these words of Jesus and the fact that the early Christians took them to mean that St John would not die. If I break the OP into different posts it will be easier for you to decide what to reply to. The 'Gospel of John' and the 'Revelations of John are the writings of a Disciple of John the Baptist rather than the Apostle John. 3 Apostles saw two events that nobody else saw, they are part of the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke. Peter wrote the longer one. The beloved Disciple of John the Baptist is Mary of Bethany so that really throws a wrench into what all mainstream Churches. If they cannot solve the little mysteries in the Bible why would they do any better with the more complex parts of the book. This will show my concept has some validity. This is going to show that the Beloved Disciple is a Disciple of John the Bap-st that went with Jesus as soon as He came back from the 40 days in the wilderness. I'm going to go from where she and Christ are the only two beings standing on that mountain top. The verse shows who it is immediately and then compares her to new Jerusalem. The rst men-on of a wife is at the -me of the return. On the day the 7th trump sounds the two witnesses are resurrected and the people who see that are given less than 1 hour to get to the nearest horizon and the ones that make it before the re starts remain alive as witnesses. Sodom le; no witnesses and when God uses it to sent Satan and the fallen angels to the ery lake the whole popula-on see it before going to the 3rd heaven and the Great White Throne event. The vials contain that re and when all 7 are complete all sinners on the planet are dead and no sinner exists a;er that point in -me. The popula-on for the 1,000 years is a sta-c one and the same ones alive at the start are the same ones that witness Satan going to the ery lake. This group will reside in New Jerusalem in the New Earth and they will be the Shepherds (always one day ahead in knowledge about the Kingdom of God) and the ones that are resurrected at the GWT will be the ones living outside of the City. Isa:51:6: Li; up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salva-on shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. Re:19:1-3: And a;er these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salva-on, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornica-on, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. Post judgment that comes with all 7 vials. Using the pa(ern established on the day of the cross the vials would be poured out between 1PM-3PM and then the 1/2 hour of silence (ends the wrath por-on) and from 3:30PM-6PM the resurrec-on in Re:10 unfolds. Eze:37 gives the sequence and the end of the Gospel of John put the Beloved Disciple on a higher rela-onship with Jesus that Peter had. The reference below is to the ones in the Re:20:4 list. Re:19:4-9: And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. And I heard as it were the voice of a great mul-tude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in ne linen, clean and white: for the ne linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. Re:21:9: And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Re:21:10: And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Re:1:9: I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribula-on, and in the kingdom and pa-ence of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the tes-mony of Jesus Christ. Peter's le(er to the Beloved Disciple acknowledges that they were there from the beginning. Paul's le(er acknowledges that it is to a woman. 1Jo:1:1-3: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 2Jo:1:1: The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; 2Jo:1:13: The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen. Joh:19:26: When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Lu:24:10: It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. Lu:10:38-42: Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house. And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath le; me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her. That is not complete but it does show that Mary of Bethany was right in the thick of things as she saw more as she was there when John was not in prison and the Apostles were not there until John was in prison. |
Wayfaring Stranger User ID: 76285781 ![]() 02/02/2019 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus, therefore, prepared St John and St Peter for two different missions. Why did he divide his work in two in his way? Those who are familiar with the history of Initiations in the past know that all great Masters did the same thing. Moses, himself, gave one body of teaching and rules for the masses, but to the seventy elders chosen from amongst the wisest and most faithful of his followers, he entrusted the keys of his five books, the Pentateuch, and it was thanks to these keys that they were able to decipher the hidden meaning of those books. Certain truths were kept secret either because they were beyond the comprehension of the weak or because they would have put power into the hands of the wicked. This is why Jesus said, 'Do not cast your pearls before swine.' And, when his disciples asked him why he spoke to the multitude in parables, he replied, 'Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven, but to them it has not been given'. All the established churches, whether Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant, are exoteric churches; they teach certain truths but their primary concern is with rules and regulations for the masses. They are unable to reveal the deepest and most mysterious truths, for only those whose minds have been tempered and made ready can accept and digest secret apspect of reality. Quoting: solvecoagula I'm going to go with Daniel was the wisest of the OT Prophets and he and his 3 friends would have written down the OT so it was in the same form when given by God. Daniel admits he was left in confusion about certain things and a Angel confirms that as well as saying that would be changed. The writer of Revelations was given that missing info and since that book was written after all the Apostles were in the grave they were the only one to get the 'whole story' That is what made that Scribe special as well as being a woman that Jesus was in love with. The Gospels were written when proof of God was available. The doubting Thomas story started in 100AD when the last person that would do the 'signs following' died. From then until Re:11 start with the two witnesses again being able to show proof that God exists in reality instead of just in some words on a page. Romans:13 contains the duties of a Christian from 100AD until the 1st trump sounds 3 1/2 years before the return. The list given starting with the verse below is for the 'latter days' when prayers for safety will be answered all the way until the day the two witnesses are killed. The return is 4 days later, starting with their resurrection from the grave. 1Pe:4:12: Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: Acts until the trumps start sounding is all for the ones who are not part ob the ones that Re:1 is referencing as they are the ones that will see the return. Because Ge:3:15 and Re:12 are about the same subject. If you read just Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 you get the beginning and end of this earth and who is pushing all the buttons. The rest of the Bible is about the two bruises in Ge:3:15 and how they are completed by the end of Re:19. The cross was completion of the bruise to the heel, the 7th vial being poured out is the completion of the other bruise. Part of being in the Re:1 group is you get to think normally and look at the book from that perspective. Ge:1 looked at from the 21st century would fit the 'old earth creation theory' quite nicely without having to 'overthink the topic'. Day 1 ends 4BYA as stated is referencing this earth as it was when light was created. The source of that light was the sun and the state of the earth 4BYA is it was a small ball of molten lava and it's rotational speed was that 1 complete day was about 6 of our hours. Science also promotes the moon was a lot closer and about there science starts to get it wrong. Lava in a molten state on a fast spinning globe will be acting like a centrifuge in that heavier material will sink and the lighter material will rise to the surface. The lava sorts itself in layers that id dependent on density. To help that along science also promotes the moon was a lot closer so there were tides of molten rock and since there was no solid parts yet the tide was endless and no winds as the heat from the lava melted anything incoming, clouds for things with a low melting point and heavier item came is a liquid rather than stone so it was a gentle growth and gravity was the only process at work for the next 3.6BY and the next part of the process begins. This part is not something I have mentioned before in any detail. The counting system would put the start of day at 40,000,000,000BC as when the universe began to form. The void is mentioned as the beginning without matter as we know it. It is promoted that we are expanding at an increasing rate and that will continue. We will end up back in the same void that we came from. Our universe has a certain number of stars and if that number is increasing then we are getting hotter and hot things expand. At some point the trend will be that more stars will die than are born and we are still expanding and eventually no stars will be born and matter will be so far apart it cannot form something that attracts something else. Welcome to what we call a black hole. A collapsing universe has the mass centered on a certain part and that makes the places the weak link so collapse and density can only go so far and then it blows. Our big bang was probably something like the moon and earth only on a much bigger scale and it never reformed and it is like the asteroid belt but in the shape of a soccer ball one that is expanding at a faster and faster rate. Day 2 ends 400MYA it sees a crust develop on the earth and it could have been caused when the heavier matter that was in the moon migrated towards the earth and the volcanoes spilled out the heavier metals and it migrated to the earth as cold matter than cooled the surface enough that a crust started to form and gasses could start to fall as liquid, very cold liquid. That day ends with water being found at the highest elevations of dry ground and that is where the next part of the process begins. Length is 360M years Day 3 ends 40MYA it sees the forests being created. Trees are mentioned and the forest is an eco system that would have developed just like one does today. The other parts of the forest like birds and crawlers are mentioned later only because they are less important to the story rather than they were created by themselves later on. The process went on right until the end of the 6th day. For the sake of argument water could just begin to collect in the deepest parts as they would have been the last parts to get cold. Forests would have reached down that far and the water that then fell brought the level up to where it is now. The vid 'snowball earth' could be quite close to what did happen and civilization would have started high and moved down as the ice melted and the expanding rifts would have collected the water. Day 4 ends 4MYA and the sun and moon are finally given names and their purpose is created, they mark time as we know it as far as days/months/years go. Stars are mentioned last as they are the least important to the whole story. That being said that is when angelic beings live and when they go to their promised new heaven that leaves the universe empty and mankind just enters it at the end of Re:22. Universal salvation prophecises that all of mankind will enter that place. The ones that were alive for the 1,000 year reign make their home inside of New Jerusalem and the ones that are resurrected at the Great White Throne will make their homes outside of the city. All other flesh is also resurrected down to sparrows will also be resurrected once the worlds become homes to immortal beings who have the same mission as Adam and Eve. Day 5 ends 400,000 and the oceans as we know them were created even if that process began at the end of day3. Whales are mentioned and that would indicate that birds fell into the water and over the period of a few million years they ditched the feather and moved the nose up the face. Being warm blooded and having the same spine motion shows the relationship. Ge:1 promotes 3 species, birds are top dog in the forest. whales are top dog of the seas, and man is top dog of the land animals. Day 6 ends 40,000YA and it starts with Adam being created in the garden area as defined in the Ge:2 creation story. The Med Sea is the west border and it goes south as far as the Nile. It goes east two rivers to the east for that border and as far north as the middle river reaches. It is a watershed area and the size of the Jordan River in Eze:47 is how it would have flowed back when God and Adam were in the Garden naming things. Without water the seeds could not sprout as the rest of the planet named Eden was full of life already. Eve was the last thing God created and after that day ended nothing new could be created. What was created cannot be un-created but it's size can go as low as a remnant or thrive depending where you are in the book that goes into some detail about how sin is defeated in the end. Day 7 ends 4,000BC Satan and other angels would have had access to all of Eden except for the Garden area and the ancient megaliths are a testament to their abilities to play with rock things. Man will have that same ability in the new earth portion of things. Megalith.org has a really nice library, part 38 is very impressive as far as showing the past cannot be like it is presently promoted. The new earth would be the same process as it happened in the past. Because the God of Life is going to resurrect all flesh that was conceived in the time this earth will exist the beginning has to be accelerated even from the time the garden took compared to the rest of Eden. God likes patterns Ge:1 is the Alpha and Re:21 is the Omega of the one being that sits on the Great White Throne, when He says, 'It is done.' He is referencing this earth as being labeled perfect rather than very good. The 1,000 years will see the holy land go from being desolate to being like it would have if sin had never entered the garden. The restored Garden is where all the people who have been alive will be when Satan and all fallen angels are released and God sends them to the fiery lake the static population gets an escape. It is what is called the rapture but it comes at the end of the 1,000 year reign only. Here is the verse and there used to be a reward for a rapture verse in the Bible. Isa:51:6: Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. Jesus gave his exoteric teaching to St Peter, therefore, and his esoteric, Initiatic teaching to St John. This is how St John received the keys to the Old Testament and, in particular, to the deeply mysterious Book of Genesis. You are all familiar with the Word' which seem to echo the first words of Genesis, 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.' Quoting: solvecoagula The Gospel of John the Baptist starts off quoting John, God called John like He did all other OT Prophets. God also blinded some Jews to that book and the Revelations of John the Baptist by having a Disciple of his write them out in Greek rather than in Hebrew. That Disciple alone was given the timeline and the sequence that was left out of the rest of the Bible. Like all Scribes called the first thing they did was identify who sent the message they are about to deliver. Fir John the Baptist God in Ge:1 is the same one that talked to Moses. That un-named disciple is Mary of Bethany, that is why only one of them became an Apostle. Joh:1:1-4: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Ge:1:26-27: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Ge:2:7: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Jesus is mentioned later. Joh:1:6-8: There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. Joh:1:35-36: Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! Joh:1:40: One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. Joh:21:24: This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. |
Wayfaring Stranger User ID: 76285781 ![]() 02/02/2019 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm more book based, you version looks like it could be part of Sumeria or be linked to one of the megalith sites found all over the globe. It would have been a global community in Ge:6, one more advanced than we are today. I tend to think the desert belt that circles the globe would all green during an ice-age. Summer from 400,000BC until about 40,000BC and then it started to dry out as the rains moved north and south. With that came a 400ft rise in sea level. I'll read it but I may not comment on it. |
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