Why do foreigners try to tell Israel who her king is?

Sin.

God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua.

The Bible cover 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind.

Hundreds of people AND places mentioned in it are proven to exist.

And there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES anything in the Bible.

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Thank you very much for your very important point about all 12 tribes
being represented in Judah. I was trying to say something like that yesterday, but lost track...
Do you agree they were also represented in the remnant that came out of Babylon with Cyrus' decree, and restored true worship there -about 537?

Also -maybe, just (re-)occurred to me- the 12 disciples? Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, but otherwise-I think- only Judas was ?
I really don't know if it can be determined from the Bible what tribes they may have been, but I DO think it's possible this uncertainty is meant to demonstrate that Jesus arrived at the last possible 'minute' (so to speak)
that the promised Messiah could arrive and still , for instance, have the temple genealogies that demonstrated he had the correct ancestry, to fulfill that and other prophesies.
Tribal identity was supposed to be tied to the land divisions, originally, as I just had reinforced for me yesterday reading about the purpose of the Jubilees in Leviticus 25. Naboth being so determined to not trade his land away just because Ahab wanted it for his wittle vegetable garden, and Jezebel's 'magnanimous' meddling being SO evil, is explained by this, I think.
Anyway, i agree with that Irish AC that tribes did get all muddied up.
"Am ha'aretz"
Have to quit for now , but back later, I hope, to talk about Pentecost 33CE and other things, if my new "smart meter" don't get me first!
Meanwhile, Hava Nagila !

What sins do you repent of!?

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* prophecies
[Pretty illiterate, true, but not that "unlettered and ordinary".]

buy who exactly ? the jeoows that are outnumbered by so many ?

It is not a lie. It is OT for Gentiles.

....Arachin 12b claims Yermiyahu restored the Ten Tribes in the 18th year of the reign of King Josiah.
Esther Rabbah V:1 gives more detail about this claim. However, this Gemara conflicts with the Scripture.

***The Scripture decreed 390 years of judgment for the House of Israel (the Ten Tribes) and 40 years of judgment for the House of Judah (the Southern Kingdom), represented by the separate and respective exiles of each House to Assyria in 722 BCE and Babylon in 586 BCE.
When the House of Judah repented, the decree to rebuild the Temple was issued exactly on time 40 years after the start of the Babylonian exile. *****
***(see below)

But Yermiyahu was exiled to Babylon only 136 years into the 390 year judgment of the Northern Kingdom and died long before its conclusion, most authorities say, in Egypt.
In other words the timing is off and we don't even have a record of him going to Assyria to seek out the Ten Tribes.
It is possible that some of them migrated to the south and east into Babylon and joined with the exiles of Yehudah, but if so, they lost their identity as the Ten Tribes when they returned as part of Beit Yehudah....

Mishnah Ma’aser Sheni allows no tribal inheritance in Eretz Yisrael for geurim, meaning that when the Yovel is declared, Joes who would convert would be construed as part of Beit Yehudah and forfeit their inheritance with Beit Yoseif.

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****("Both Eusebius and Josephus place the division [divided kingdom] in 997 BCE – lunar dates of Venus can be mistaken as 64 years later (c. 930 BCE). (Crossing of sun over Mars as Tamuz would be 10 July 997 BCE.)

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***And, adding 390 years to 997 BCE , we get 607 BCE, when representatives of all 12 tribes went into exile, leaving land desolated for 70 years.
Also, from beginning of Jeremiah's prophesying, in the 13th year of Josiah's kingship, until Zedekiah deposed, temple destroyed, land desolated -in 607 BCE- was 40 years.
(P.S. 587 and 722 BCE are both 20 years off.)

[14] Rabbi Akiba said the Ten Tribes would not return and Rabbi Eliezer said they would return. The Gemara reconciles the two positions by relegating their return to “at the time of moshiah,” or when “night turns to day.”

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To the Romans
6 What are we to say then? Should we continue in sin so that undeserved kindness may increase?
2 Certainly not! Seeing that we died with reference to sin, how can we keep living any longer in it?
3 Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus+ were baptized into his death?
4 So we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in a newness of life.
5 If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection.
6 For we know that our old personality was nailed to the stake along with him in order for our sinful body to be made powerless, so that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin.
7 For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.
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baptized into his death:
Or “immersed into his death.” Paul here uses the Greek term baptizo (to dip; to immerse).

After his baptism in water in 29 C.E., Jesus began to undergo another baptism, the sacrificial course that is described at Mr 10:38.

This baptism continued throughout his ministry. It was completed when he was executed on Nisan 14, 33 C.E., and raised up from the dead three days later.

When mentioning this baptism, Jesus also indicated that his followers would be baptized “with the baptism with which [he was] being baptized.” (Mr 10:39)

*Spirit-anointed members of Christ’s body are “baptized into [Jesus’] death” in that they, like Jesus, enter a life of sacrifice, which includes giving up any hope of everlasting life on earth.

This baptism continues throughout their life course of integrity under test.
It is completed when they die and are raised to life as spirit creatures---Ro 6:4, 5.

* become part of Beit Judah, and thus, according to Rabbis quoted in the post above this, have no inheritance in Beit Joseph-

"Joes who would convert would be construed as part of Beit Yehudah and forfeit their inheritance with Beit Yoseif." [on earth]