Jesus Christ is the One True God!

God CANNOT die you moron.

Jesus did.

Son OF God.

When someone makes up questions specifically designed that either supports THEIR PERSONAL view....OR...makes an attempt to belittle the person being asked, THEN the question isn't valid.

People - even Jesus - don't say "My Father" when they don't have a Father.

Jesus uses the phrase "my Father" 56 times in 53 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

How many times does Jesus have to say that He was SENT - for you to BELIEVE it?

47 times isn't enough?

Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mark 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
Luke 9:48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
John 7:29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.
John 7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.
John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
John 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you

There you go...skipping over a significant part...

the firstborn of every creature:

Son OF God

Well that makes no sense because the sea creatures, flying creatures, animals, and creeping things all came before man ...

Firstborn means arch/ruler

Jesus is the Spirit of God. Eternal.

Everything was made Him and for Him.


The Lord.


Find him.

Sounds like some pagan shit to me.

I thought Jesus was human? Only G-d is eternal & G-d is not a man ...

Firstborn means


The beginning, etc

Jesus was made flesh/human (Jn 1:14) but was made spirit again and returned to his place at God's right hand (1 Cor 3:16).

2 Cor 5:16
New International Version
So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

New Living Translation
So we have stopped evaluating others from a human point of view. At one time we thought of Christ merely from a human point of view. How differently we know him now!

English Standard Version
From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.

Now please prove your point with just the OT. Because you quoting NT doesn't prove anything. Not a single person in the OT knew of Jesus as the Messiah or that the Messiah would die for someones sins.

They know: G-d is not a man, Torah Law, human sacrifice is a no no, and that each man shall die for their own sins ...

Not debating with the synagogue of Satan

1 Cor 15:45***

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." – Buddha (Prince Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism, 563-483 B.C.)

"You cannot wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." ~ Navajo Proverb

Because you know your wrong and your proof text is wrong too.


Jeremiah 16:19-20

19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

Proverbs 8:22
"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;"

Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, and descended? who hath held the wind in his hands? who hath bound up the waters together as in a garment? who hath raised up all the borders of the earth? what is his name, and what is the name of his son, if thou knowest?

John 3:13
No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven--the Son of Man.

Deuteronomy 30:11-20

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Proverbs 30:4
what is his name, and what is the name of his son, if thou knowest?

God has a son.



Jesus is the Son of God and the wisdom of God.

Oh ... you're quoting out of context to prove your point :( How sad for you :( those are all rhetorical questions. We know this because we are taught in other places that G-d is one and has no equal nor a helper!

Isaiah 46:5

To whom will you liken me, and make me equal, and compare me that we may be alike?


Isaiah 40:12-31

12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.

17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.

18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?

19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.

20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.

21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.

24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.

25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

27 Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the Lord, and my judgment is passed over from my God?

28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.

30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:

31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Proverbs 8:22
"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;"

John 8:42
Therefore Jesus said to them, "If God were your father, you would love me, for I came out and have come from God. For I have not come of myself, but he sent me.

That's what everyone says when they have no argument.

We have come up with more powerful explosives, but I personally thank each and every person who died to bring life to others. I'd do it in person by loving each man individually if the option was open.

Too bad their work has become such a worthless perversion.

They really are rhetorical questions and I posted my argument that you chose to dishonestly not to quote or even acknowledge.

You presuppose that G-d is a man when he isn't. The Torah clearly states everything that is the antithesis of what you believe while you worship a dead man as a god.

Now go back and read Proverbs 30 in full and you will see how badly you are quoting out of context. Better yet start a Gen 1:1 and keep reading without inserting Jesus and you will see how wrong you truly are.

Proverbs 30:4
what is his name, and what is the name of his son, if thou knowest?

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.




By the way, I DON'T believe Jesus is God so stop assuming that I do. That's NOT the argument.






Proverbs 8:22 is NOT a "rhetorical question". It's referring to the Son, the wisdom of God, in whom God created everything.

Proverbs 3:19
The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, By understanding He established the heavens.

Psalm 136:5
To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.


The wisdom of God is his word.

Ps. 33:6
By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.





Jesus is the Word



Jn 1:14
The Word became a human being and lived here with us.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

I enjoy how you shift the goal post and conflate my argument to Provb 8:22 being a rhetorical question when it isn't even a question. You are quoting poetry trying to prove your point.

Jesus is not the word. He was a failed messianic claimant. Again you can't quote the NT when it doesn't adhere to what the OT teaches and goes against. G-d is one and doesn't need "the word" to become flesh to do anything ... sad that you limit G-d to have a need ...

And yes, technically the argument was that Jesus is god based on the topic of the thread ... again shifting the goal post.

Human sacrifice foretold

Isaiah 53:10-12
[10]Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
[11]He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
[12]Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.