The Ancients, The Sun, The Zodiac?????

The initiates of every age know the truth. In ancient times, it was the “high priests”.

The average “ancient” knew not.

Just as today — just as in every age — in the past there were the monopolizers of knowledge (the elite of the elites), and then there was everybody else.

It is about the equinox where all things begin and end. The sign of the times is the sign where the sun is in on the equiniox. There are 2 equinoxes. So which one? September is the one contrary to popular belief.

This is also why the Mayans made their calendar which is the pyramid in Chichen Itza...the perfect solar calendar. The great pyramid of Giza is oriented to the September equinox.

Watch the thunderbolts project .
On you tube

Saturn was earths continuous sun light.
Then Sol became our sun after realignments of the planets after mars and venus were pushed away and a rogue planet hit some planet that became the asteroid belt now. And then earth got the moon. And a huge water bath flood.
Im not a journalist write ups arent my thing.

Saturn used to be the sun?

The notion that the Earth is the center of the Universe was a religious issue, not a scientific or astrological one. The Babylonians knew about the Saros cycles of eclipses every 18 years + 2 weeks and could predict when and where the next eclipse would occur at their location. They couldn't have done this if they thought the Universe revolved around us.

It seems that somehow between their existence and the Judeo/Christian/Catholic one, this knowledge was either lost, or intentionally suppressed. Don't let minor hiccups in the provenance of current teachings dissuade you from your endeavours.

Here's a thread ( Thread: A Brief Synopsis of The Great American Eclipse, Astrologically Speaking I made analyzing the Great American Eclipse of 2017, especially as it related to Trump. The initial post was quite 'shallow' as I was only looking at transits and Trumps progressed planets. Later on, when I had more time, I looked into it in greater detail and especially in relation to the initial eclipse in the same Saros series (#145) and offered my interpretation. The more in depth post I made is here: Thread: A Brief Synopsis of The Great American Eclipse, Astrologically Speaking (Page 3)

Remember, the stars don't lie, it's our interpretation of them that is subject to refinement.

it really depends on what you want to know and for what purpose.

if you want to use magick & use you mind for manifesting & attraction you only need to know the elements & how they work.
you will also need to know certain planetary movements & moon phases.
for high or low magick pay special attention to mercury retrograde & forward movements.
it work in cycles.
like "charging" & "releasing"

the elements are easy to remember once you know them.
all people are elements which interact differently with other elements.
there are 4 elements & each element has 3 zodiac signs. (12 total)

just think of air & fire as north & south

air

fire

think of water & earth as west & east

water earth

3 air signs = Libra, Aquarius, Gemini
3 fire signs = Aries, Leo, Sagittarius
3 water signs = Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces
3 earth signs = Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn

Its not about where the sun is each day, it’s about where it is during the year.

Dear Newbie: The "Zodiac" is a modern idea. The original signs were 22 not 12. Check it out. The idea about the sun is based on the old view of the universe that earth was the center. The known science of the period.

OP: Lots of great info here with what few responses there've been thus far. As far-fetched as this AC's post might seem, Saturn was indeed our beloved world's sun once upon a time. We're in a binary star system (our sun orbits around the Sirius star system & it around ours). Every 12K years we do a flyby & all our planets are reconfigured after 1st aligning into a colinear fashion (Thunderbolts Project explains this with visuals). There's also a cyclical cataclysm that occurs with this alignment (floods during one pass, like the Biblical floods, & then fire or plasma storms... this BTW is recorded in the Vedas). Do check out Thunderbolts Project channel on YouTube & be certain to watch "Remembering The End Of The World," their masterpiece documentary.

After you digest that, check out Santos Bonacci's "As Above So Below" lecture on Astrotheology, & then leap right into his vast archive of syncretism videos. Aside from Manly P. Hall, nobody has ever pieced together all the Zodiacal connections to religion, myth, & everything else under the sun. That's the masterclass on Astrology ~ the "Prisca Theologia" (which is also another lecture by Santos by that name). Santos 1st, & the MP Hall is the best order ~ Manly's stuff is tough to absorb for the unitiated.

And to answer your other question ~ yes, many ancient cultures had an Earth-centered Astrological cosmology (aka "Ptolemeic" & perhaps Pythagorean according to some scholars). Even the Greeks used both both Earth-centered & Heliocentric models & anyone wanting to unravel the mysteries of the heavenly spheres must learn both. If nothing else, you'll at least understand what all the Greek gods & myths were talking about (& Immanuel Velikovsky syncretizes it to the Holy Bible in similar fashion in his book "Worlds In Collision.

Wow, great reply. I will definitely research your suggestions! THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, when the ancients referred to the moon, do you think that they were referring to what we call the moon today? I have a strange feeling that the moon for which the ancients referred to back then, was not the moon as we know it today.

Very deep stuff here, thanks again.

This.


The Saturn Myth by David Talbott is also enlightening.

EUtards... source any of it and face reality, it's completely made up aka bullshit

Watch and learn, moran.

Yeah the moon (Luna) is & has been a constant fixture in all the cosmologies. It's almost universally the central avatar of the divine feminine in every ancient civilization, & the sun (Helios) being the divine masculine (Japan is the only culture which reverses that - the moon being masculine & the sun being feminine). There is the constant imagery of the "black sun" which emerges (Saturn) ~ the 2nd sun, or the "sun behind our sun." Venus on the other hand only became a part of our planetary cosmology approximately 11-12K years ago when it got ripped out of it's orbit from the Sirius star system & pulled into our sun's gravitational net. This is the real meaning behind the mythologies behind Diana/Aphrodite.

So the moon, along with Venus & Sirius (the Eastern Star) remain the fixed trio of feminine goddesses echoed throughout all the ancient religions & even some modern ones (think Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, & Mary, sister of Jesus prevalent in Renaissance art with lunar iconography). Even the most ancient recorded cave art on Earth from the Indus valley has pictures of a woman with the crescent moon overhead (a very sacred image ~ think Shiva & Kali).

The lunar imagery was the mainstay of Kali temples in India until the British came & tore them all down after the Sapoy rebellion (via the Dutch East-India company). BTW ~ these stories of Kali devotees being involved in death cults & the like are all fake. They get the blame for the Assassin cults which sprang out of Iran's Islamic Shia sect. Even Spielberg resurrected this bogus assertion in the 2nd Raiders sequel. Kali is just a dark aspect of the Vedic mother goddess & a lot of the imagery is misinterpreted by Westerners (which is why it was an easy scapegoat for propaganda). Vedic people still worship her in her role of the mother goddess.

Hindu scholars assert that 98% of their original religious practices & wisdom traditions were destroyed or suppressed after the British went on the warpath tearing down temples. That might be a bit of an exaggeration but the losses were pretty huge, but the truth is slowly being pieced together again. Helena Blavatsky played a pivotal role in trying to revive this lost wisdom in India, & she's much-loved there for her contributions (although she's wildly villified by Western Christian fundamentalists).

You are super knowledgeable on the topic, thanks for your replies here!

When I study ancient Gods, it is indicated in my readings that there is a significant mystery behind the Egyptian Goddess Isis. But the info I have come across doesnt go into depth about it. Do you know what the great mystery or "veil" of Isis is about? Also, do you happen to know the name of the first original Deity to be associated with Saturn? Could it be Ninurta the Sumerian deity? I get the feeling that there are some super interesting things to uncover regarding Saturn...

Thanks.

Interesting that even the Sun, Zodiac and histories of
ancient peoples have all had MAJOR new discoveries over
the past 10 years that would make an intelligent response
to your question much different than I will offer you
today in 2020. (Two of the biggies in my mind are:
Gobekli Tepe and the Solar micro-nova Clock Cycle both
since 2007.) It would seem IMHO that these 2 incredible
discoveries actually tie in all three topics you asked
about...The sun, histories of the ancient peoples, and
the ZODIAC.



Contrary to the many astrologers who will swear that the
ancient fathers created the Zodiac for us to understand
our "birth sign" and how to find our "true love"...It has
been found that the Zodiac had a much more DIRE PURPOSE
than dating or understanding your partner's moods.

Originally created by ancient Egyptians (who started with
the Zodiac of Dendura many 1,000s of years ago) a genius
level astronomer/research named Dr. Paul LaViolette was
able to "crack the original CODE of the Zodiac" to assist
us in 2020 to know what space weather may be LINKED to
the constellations of the Zodiac. You can learn moe
in this video below than has been popularly been known
about this subject for hundreds of years--the MAIN 3
constellations were Sagittarius, Scorpious and Opheuchus with
the other Zodiac signs playing a part to POINT US TO
THOSE 3 CONSTELLATIONS. They were the center of interest
because the 3 together give us the coordinate location
for the center of the Milky Way.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]

First 10 minutes very informative about
the Zodiac and what may be a WARNING for
us in 2020. Right at the 12:00 min mark in the
video the narrator explains that Dr. LaViolette
considers the original purpose of the Zodiac is
as a "cryptograph." Really important point for
this theory!

Beyond understanding the Zodiac constellations that
point us to the center of the Milky Way (where we can
expect Galactic Super Waves to source from) is what
I believe the ancients had HOPED we would discover in
our own timeline WHY the Zodiac signs can help us avoid
a global disaster. Here is a thread you can check out
that explains the Solar micro-nova Clock Cycle that is
linked to the Galactic Super Wave Theory from LaViolette
as a "trigger" for the next event.
Thread: Greatest Secret of the United States, Causes of the Ice Age and Nova,

Egypt's ancient fathers wished us to KNOW about this
special message from the Zodiac because THEIR CIVILIZATION
was brought to their knees by an event involving all of
this about 12,000 years ago. You can hear about that event
(called the "Vela Super Nova"--one of several stars that
had either super or mini-novas triggered by the Galactic
Super Waves) in the video from Dr. Stephen Mehler.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]


Dr. Mehler explains what global "cataclysm" befell
ancient Egypt around 9,500 b.c. as part of a "flood myth"
most cultures report as part of Legend or religion.

This should give you something to chew on for a couple
of days! Have fun!


O'sCookie


Gobekli Tepe carved pillar has much
to tell us about the Zodiac and the
cycles of our Universe. We are still
learning new info from this 2013 discovery
in NW Turkey...dated to 9,500 b.c.

Last Edited by TheOracle'sCookie on 02/20/2020 07:46 PM

Dendera zodiac

Laviolette was a mathematician
he was never qualified to translate anything
he was able to use his math skill to get out a few important dates from the dendera zodiac but it ends there
his "translation" of the zodiac is a joke, it's like someone looking at an astro chart and writing a story about it, it's bad fiction, especially when you make the sun do u-turns, it's that dumb

be careful in what you put your faith in, this guy is velikovsky/sitchin tier, 100% crap

btw anyone has a link to a pdf of laviolette's book? it's in french and from what I know, he is the source of the story about the sun changing direction in the sky bullshit

I'm interested to know what kind of autistic method he used to translate the dendera zodiac...

As Shakespear once said:

"Thou PROTESTETH too much!"

So what's your vested interest in discrediting LaViolette?

Probably an aligned mind-set that doesn't include any
idea that ISN'T MAINSTREAM B.S. SCIENCE. And I can even
guess who you are, A.C...You're a member I know coming
in as a coward A.C. because you don't want the "fall-out"
from being called on your crap posts. Take your NASA
patch and stuff it up your nose!


O'sCookie

I'm just saying that Laviolette was a math guy and he had no clue how to translate egyptian

The stories he comes up with are retarded and based on a zodiac, not even a text. The sun moving up and down and up again etc is a good example of how stupid this whole thing is

You don't have to dig deep to spot this kind of scam

All you need do is check his website. You can see by
the professional papers he has listed and the various
disciplines he has studied in depth that he is much
more than "a math guy with a scam?" Here is the link:
[link to www.etheric.com]

I don't know what your "bitch" with LaViolette is, but
his "ability to translate Egyptian" has zero to do with
any argument against the 40 years of research this guy
has done.

He has spoken out recently AGAINST the questionable
work David Wilcock has done concerning space research
and his new "church." Maybe this is what your problem
is with LaViolette. Anyways, his work stands on its
own. Go back to your Xbox, dude.


O'sCookie

The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was round, calculated the circumference within a hundred or so miles.

Precisely. Even the ancients knew about the concept of years.

sorry, Laviolette is a modern EU guy.. my bad, I mixed him up with Albert Slosman cause of the Dendera thing. Anyway, if he's doing the science side of the EU ok, I have a problem with the lore side of EU, when they play with planets like they are billard balls.

I searched online for a copy of that book and the prices are damn near $200 for one!

Would you happen to have a link online where a PDF version can be downloaded?

The price of that book is just a bit too steep for an average working man like myself, LOL. Thanks.

It's all good. I have confused certain authors before
--it's easy to do if you don't research in the same area
as they are in.

LaViolette's book "Earth Under Fire" is a really easy
read and has some of the question you ask about linking
your 3 topics (in your title.) We will be seeing more
space weather events which he has predicted this year
not to mention something they call "The Galactic Sheet"
--a highly charged magnetic/plasma field around the
boundaries of the Milky Way Galaxy which our solar system
is now approaching. Encountering this "sheet" may, in fact,
be the "tipping trigger" for either a pole shift or
what causes our sun to micro=nova. Either way it's more
bad news (as if we need MORE bad news, right?) lol!


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