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Question for Anti~Vaxers:

 
Sol Neman

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04/15/2020 05:05 PM

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Re: Question for Anti~Vaxers:
You're comparing apples to oranges.

Injections are far different than taking something by mouth. Injections bypass the bodies defenses.
 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


No they don't.

Try eating battery acid.
Try injecting battery acid.

The effect will be the same.

Sorry, your answer doesn't cut it.
 Quoting: Radaghast


No, the effect won't be the same.

Try drinking vodka
Try injecting vodka straight into bloodstream and see what happens.

Try injecting insulin into bloodstream vs subcutaneous and see what happens.

Try again...
 Quoting: Sol Neman



Sure :)

Edible vaccines:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So if a vaccine is edible then you have no problem with vaccines..?

I think I know what's going on here..It's the needle part of the vaccine. That's it, right?

Next:
 Quoting: Radaghast


I'm not advocating for any sort of drugs, pill, spray, subcutaneous, IV or otherwise. I'm simply pointing out that the same substance can have very different effects depending on how they're ingested.

I trust pharmaceutical companies less than than any other institution on this planet.

I don't care how they want to administer their posion. It's still posion as far as I'm concerned.

All they're doing is taking what nature can already provide, if you know where to look and how to use, and synthesizing it to make a profit.

Food, hygiene and activity will always do more to prevent issues and illness than some magic pill or elixer will provide after you've let your health decline.
Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty ~ Thomas Jefferson
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04/15/2020 05:06 PM
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Re: Question for Anti~Vaxers:
it doesnt cause any problems

see Doctors interview on Laura Ingraham's show from 2 nights ago.

1000 patients treated with Hydroxychloroquine not one problem.
 Quoting: Jake


Quite a few reports of negative issues arising today. Especially people with heart problems.

I'd honestly think that the anti vaxers would be cautious about it, but apparently their love for Trump transcends their deepest beliefs in the matters of medicine.
 Quoting: Radaghast


What are those so-called deepest beliefs?
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04/15/2020 05:07 PM
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Re: Question for Anti~Vaxers:
For starters, "anti-vaxer" is a fake dichotomy used the hide the real issue with vaccines-- safety and shoddy ingredients..

Vaccine companies lobbied Congress to give themselves legal immunity from making shoddy and damaging products that kill and maim. They put poisonous ingredients in their products, such as mercury and aluminum-- which weaken immunity.-- and no one can sue them if they get injured by these shoddy products. The vaccine court is a charade. Forced vaccination means these companies can put anything into YOU that they want to -- and you have no power to stop them. They lied about autism and many other side effects of their shoddy products but you still believe they have integrity.

That's not a fair deal and its very dangerous to give corporations this kind of unlimited power..

For example-- people who were vaccinated for the regular flu are now more likely to have a severe case of SARS2 (COVID19), as proven in a recent medical paper-- all because of the extreme complexities of the immune system, and a specific reaction that coronaviruses have to antibodies from regular flu.. Its almost like they were set up to die from SARS2 in a kind of binary bioweapon scenario. So all the flu vaccine hype has probably lead to increased death from SARS2 because of regular flu antibodies.. Mass unintended consequences from the vaccines that you and your doctor worship.

If Hydroxychloroquine with Zithromax is a cure for 98% of people with SARS2, then why on earth would I want to also take a mercury and aluminum laden vaccine that might have unintended consequences for me later? Gates is already lobbying for legal immunity overseas because he knows how dangerous this SARS2 vaccine will be.

I was already injured by the yellow fever vaccine (I developed extreme allergies) and by the Tetanus vaccine ( I developed numbness in my limbs and lack of balance for 6 months) so no thank you.

Think about WHY scientists were never able to develop a vaccine for SARS1 ---or any other Coronavirus for that matter.!
Radaghast  (OP)

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Re: Question for Anti~Vaxers:
it doesnt cause any problems

see Doctors interview on Laura Ingraham's show from 2 nights ago.

1000 patients treated with Hydroxychloroquine not one problem.
 Quoting: Jake


Quite a few reports of negative issues arising today. Especially people with heart problems.

I'd honestly think that the anti vaxers would be cautious about it, but apparently their love for Trump transcends their deepest beliefs in the matters of medicine.
 Quoting: Radaghast


What are those so-called deepest beliefs?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78542393


Don't trust the system, doctors can be wrong.
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04/15/2020 05:30 PM
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Re: Question for Anti~Vaxers:
Is supporting the use of chloroquine not akin to a vaccination?
It's untested against covid, can cause big problems in certain patients.

Honestly it seems to me as though you're all for it because Trump said it's o.k.

But its risks mirror the exact thing that you are concerned about with Vaccinations.

The "What if" factor doesn't apply when dear leader gives the green light?

Seems contradictory to support the use of chloroquine, yet fight people over the use of vaccines...
 Quoting: Radaghast


No evidence of clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised for COVID-19 infection and requiring oxygen
[link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]
Radaghast  (OP)

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Re: Question for Anti~Vaxers:
Is supporting the use of chloroquine not akin to a vaccination?
It's untested against covid, can cause big problems in certain patients.

Honestly it seems to me as though you're all for it because Trump said it's o.k.

But its risks mirror the exact thing that you are concerned about with Vaccinations.

The "What if" factor doesn't apply when dear leader gives the green light?

Seems contradictory to support the use of chloroquine, yet fight people over the use of vaccines...
 Quoting: Radaghast


No evidence of clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised for COVID-19 infection and requiring oxygen
[link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78793373


I read that as well. But then again there are other positive reports. The point is that it's still "unclear" as to exactly how effective it is and what its after-effects could be.

But many many anti~vax believers seem to be pro Hydrox and I know why.
Politics trump their negative beliefs about vaccs.
I guess it's just where you're from.

Just imagine, tho, if Obummer was in charge now and he suggested using an un~tested drug to fight the virus! 90% of the forum would be completely loosing their collective fucking minds!

It's politics man!

Last Edited by Radaghast on 04/15/2020 06:12 PM
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