I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78213068 Canada 04/19/2020 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. It's part of the uniform suck it up or find somewhere else to work. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78213068 That's what my manager said. I beg to differ. Face coverings are actually illegal in many states. They're not going to let you possibly spread the virus to the elderly. So suck it up buttercup. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78817643 United States 04/19/2020 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. It's a big publicly traded company. They make all their employees sign their rights away to internal "mediation". I say they forced me to sign away rights under duress and coercion of firing me for non-compliance with an illegal agreement. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73157496 I want to contact a lawyer for consultation because they have no legal mandate to compel me or anyone else to wear a facemask for what is admittedly a corporate "optic" according to the memos they handed down to management. What say you GLP? Anyone with some good advice or experience? I've considered the same but I expect they'll push for a test or vaccine before long and that's the hill I'll fight on. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73157496 United States 04/19/2020 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. It's part of the uniform suck it up or find somewhere else to work. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78213068 That's what my manager said. I beg to differ. Face coverings are actually illegal in many states. They're not going to let you possibly spread the virus to the elderly. So suck it up buttercup. How could anyone prove exactly where they contracted an airborne virus if they're out in public? You go out in public, you are taking personal risk of contracting many germs, viruses, bacteria.... No company takes on liability for someone else's willful behavior to go out in public and contract an illness. That's stupid. It's different say if workers are handling bacteria on raw foodstuffs. The products can become contaminated without using and changing gloves. People could certainly get sick. Gloves are preventative because they're rubber or plastic and sealed around people's hands. Paper masks offer absolutely no protection from the air we all breathe. N95 is the only type of mask that does that. So really there's no practical or scientific precedent for paper facemasks. Like I said it's already admittedly an optic for the company trying to appear like they "care". All they care about are dollars and violating my civil rights through dehumanizing me and attaching a stigma on me by making me appear like I'm sick when I'm not. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73157496 United States 04/19/2020 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. It's part of the uniform suck it up or find somewhere else to work. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78213068 That's what my manager said. I beg to differ. Face coverings are actually illegal in many states. Is it illegal in yours? Yes but exceptions are being made for the virus that was supposed to kill 2 million people according to the nation's top liar in the government health agency. |
volvlov User ID: 77168401 United States 04/19/2020 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. Be happy you have a job and stop spreading your germs. "You're gonna miss Christianity when it's gone". Altiyan Childs Shoon, we will all have to make decisions that will change our destinies . Choose wisely. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76288549 United States 04/19/2020 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. I've got a solution! Why don't you just sign a legal document with your employer? All it would have to say is that you will take FULL responsibility for whatever should happen if you DON'T wear a mask. In other words, if you happen to get sick and have to miss weeks of work or end up in the hospital, your boss will not have to pay you for time missed and you will cover all of the medical expenses (NOT the insurance company, NOT the government, NOT the company you work for). In addition, you can also agree to willingly and voluntarily give up your job should your employer have to hire someone to take your place if you're sick and unable to make it to work (no severance pay, no unemployment, etc.). And then, if you do come down with the coronavirus and someone else at work also contracts it (possibly from you), you can agree to pay any wages that person should lose from their inability to work, all of their doctor and medical bills, and even funeral expenses should they happen to not survive. If you're 100% certain that there's no risk to you or your co-workers by not wearing a mask, you should have no reservations whatsoever entering into such an agreement. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73157496 United States 04/20/2020 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. It's common across all fields of work for employers to require proper safety gear for their job. You don't stand a chance. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78522401 Very true. And the use of safety gear is typically predicated on a demonstrable analysis or practicality. If you handle raw meat without gloves, you can pass bacteria from raw food onto other food items that people eat without first sanitizing bare hands. Paper surgical masks however have no demonstrable record of preventing the spread of airborne viruses. You can sneeze right into one and it's not going to stop tiny droplets of covid from circulating through the air. Only N95 masks will prevent exhaled droplets or protect people who wear them from other people's droplets. The demonstrable use for a paper surgical mask is help prevent surgeons or dentists from drooling or transfering bodily fluids directly into people's open cavities on the operating table or open mouths at the dentist office where they lean directly over a patient. It would make sense to wear a paper surgical mask in that sense. But I don't get that intimate with my customers and paper masks aren't proven to stop airborne pathogens from circulating. They're completely frivolous to a retail experience. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73157496 United States 04/20/2020 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. I've got a solution! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76288549 Why don't you just sign a legal document with your employer? All it would have to say is that you will take FULL responsibility for whatever should happen if you DON'T wear a mask. In other words, if you happen to get sick and have to miss weeks of work or end up in the hospital, your boss will not have to pay you for time missed and you will cover all of the medical expenses (NOT the insurance company, NOT the government, NOT the company you work for). In addition, you can also agree to willingly and voluntarily give up your job should your employer have to hire someone to take your place if you're sick and unable to make it to work (no severance pay, no unemployment, etc.). And then, if you do come down with the coronavirus and someone else at work also contracts it (possibly from you), you can agree to pay any wages that person should lose from their inability to work, all of their doctor and medical bills, and even funeral expenses should they happen to not survive. If you're 100% certain that there's no risk to you or your co-workers by not wearing a mask, you should have no reservations whatsoever entering into such an agreement. They aren't making all employees wear a facemask, just the cashiers. So I'm just as liable to catch something from a co-worker who isn't required to wear a facemask. Try again. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73157496 United States 04/20/2020 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. Right now it's facemasks. Give them time and next employers like mine will be demanding vaccines for cashiers if pussies like you don't stand up for your own rights. That was a well written line but let's face the facts. People like you are the real pussies. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76902145 United States 04/20/2020 12:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. It's part of the uniform suck it up or find somewhere else to work. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78213068 That's what my manager said. I beg to differ. Face coverings are actually illegal in many states. They're not going to let you possibly spread the virus to the elderly. So suck it up buttercup. How could anyone prove exactly where they contracted an airborne virus if they're out in public? You go out in public, you are taking personal risk of contracting many germs, viruses, bacteria.... No company takes on liability for someone else's willful behavior to go out in public and contract an illness. That's stupid. It's different say if workers are handling bacteria on raw foodstuffs. The products can become contaminated without using and changing gloves. People could certainly get sick. Gloves are preventative because they're rubber or plastic and sealed around people's hands. Paper masks offer absolutely no protection from the air we all breathe. N95 is the only type of mask that does that. So really there's no practical or scientific precedent for paper facemasks. Like I said it's already admittedly an optic for the company trying to appear like they "care". All they care about are dollars and violating my civil rights through dehumanizing me and attaching a stigma on me by making me appear like I'm sick when I'm not. Good point. |
Dace User ID: 77029277 United States 04/20/2020 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. Right now it's facemasks. Give them time and next employers like mine will be demanding vaccines for cashiers if pussies like you don't stand up for your own rights. That was a well written line but let's face the facts. People like you are the real pussies. ..ok, snowflake, lmao |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73157496 United States 04/20/2020 12:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. I agree with you,OP,but the phrase "civil liberties" is taking on a whole new meaning. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78139144 Soon enough that phrase will be like trying to read a foreign language. Liberites, rights. Maybe there's a better phrase. But basically what it means is my employer wants to stigmatize me as an infected person but my co-worker with a different job title can infect the rest of the store at will. It's a form of discrimination is what it is. Because it's a company "optic" void of any real scientific health value. |
DrPuffenstein User ID: 75721945 United States 04/20/2020 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. I've got a solution! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76288549 Why don't you just sign a legal document with your employer? All it would have to say is that you will take FULL responsibility for whatever should happen if you DON'T wear a mask. In other words, if you happen to get sick and have to miss weeks of work or end up in the hospital, your boss will not have to pay you for time missed and you will cover all of the medical expenses (NOT the insurance company, NOT the government, NOT the company you work for). In addition, you can also agree to willingly and voluntarily give up your job should your employer have to hire someone to take your place if you're sick and unable to make it to work (no severance pay, no unemployment, etc.). And then, if you do come down with the coronavirus and someone else at work also contracts it (possibly from you), you can agree to pay any wages that person should lose from their inability to work, all of their doctor and medical bills, and even funeral expenses should they happen to not survive. If you're 100% certain that there's no risk to you or your co-workers by not wearing a mask, you should have no reservations whatsoever entering into such an agreement. Exactly. DrPuffenstein |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78537041 United States 04/20/2020 12:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I believe my employer has violated my civil liberties by mandating all cashiers must wear facemasks. It's part of the uniform suck it up or find somewhere else to work. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78213068 That's what my manager said. I beg to differ. Face coverings are actually illegal in many states. They're not going to let you possibly spread the virus to the elderly. So suck it up buttercup. How could anyone prove exactly where they contracted an airborne virus if they're out in public? You go out in public, you are taking personal risk of contracting many germs, viruses, bacteria.... No company takes on liability for someone else's willful behavior to go out in public and contract an illness. That's stupid. It's different say if workers are handling bacteria on raw foodstuffs. The products can become contaminated without using and changing gloves. People could certainly get sick. Gloves are preventative because they're rubber or plastic and sealed around people's hands. Paper masks offer absolutely no protection from the air we all breathe. N95 is the only type of mask that does that. So really there's no practical or scientific precedent for paper facemasks. Like I said it's already admittedly an optic for the company trying to appear like they "care". All they care about are dollars and violating my civil rights through dehumanizing me and attaching a stigma on me by making me appear like I'm sick when I'm not. The mask is to provide protection to you, not the customers and thus, your employer from liability. It's the best they have right now because of shortages. And contrary to what you say, N95 is not 100% effective, it's rated at 95% effective. Surgical grade masks are So, wear the mask or risk being fired for not wearing required safety equipment. |