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Nashon User ID: 75232408 Canada 11/29/2020 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wut??? Jesus is a life giving Spirit... He is THE HOLY SPIRIT. There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT. God lives in us THROUGH His Spirit. That's JESUS. You are of the antichrist. 1Jo 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. Joel 2:28 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: YOU ARE OF THE ANTICHRIST. "And Satan answered, and said: Skin for skin, and all that a man hath he will give for his life" Job 2:4 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 17:3 And this is life eternal, Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ............. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. "Like a son of man". Jesus is God not a son of man. Can you READ what Jesus SAID above? Or are you BLINDED by your OWN beliefs? You haven't even accepted John 1:1 yet and you call me blind. It is imperative that the serious student of the Bible come to a basic understanding of logos, which is translated as “Word” in John 1:1. Most Trinitarians believe that the word logos refers directly to Jesus Christ, so in most versions of John logos is capitalized and translated “Word” (some versions even write “Jesus Christ” in John 1:1). However, a study of the Greek word logos shows that it occurs more than 300 times in the New Testament, and in both the NIV and the KJV it is capitalized only 7 times (and even those versions disagree on exactly when to capitalize it). When a word that occurs more than 300 times is capitalized fewer than 10 times, it is obvious that when to capitalize and when not to capitalize is a translators’ decision based on their particular understanding of Scripture. As it is used throughout Scripture, logos has a very wide range of meanings along two basic lines of thought. One is the mind and products of the mind like “reason,” (thus “logic” is related to logos) and the other is the expression of that reason as a “word,” “saying,” “command” etc. The Bible itself demonstrates the wide range of meaning logos has, and some of the ways it is translated in Scripture are: account, appearance, book, command, conversation, eloquence, flattery, grievance, heard, instruction, matter, message, ministry, news, proposal, question, reason, reasonable, reply, report, rule, rumor, said, say, saying, sentence, speaker, speaking, speech, stories, story, talk, talking, teaching, testimony, thing, things, this, truths, what, why, word and words. Any good Greek lexicon will also show this wide range of meaning (the words in italics are translated from logos): speaking; words you say (Rom. 15:18, “what I have said and done”). a statement you make (Luke 20:20 – (NASB), “they might catch him in some statement). a question (Matt. 21:24, “I will also ask you one question”). preaching (1 Tim. 5:17, “especially those whose work is preaching and teaching). command (Gal. 5:14, “the entire law is summed up in a single command”). proverb; saying (John 4:37, “thus the saying, ‘One sows, and another reaps’”). message; instruction; proclamation (Luke 4:32, “his message had authority”). assertion; declaration; teaching (John 6:60, “this is a hard teaching”). the subject under discussion; matter (Acts 8:21, “you have no part or share in this ministry.” Acts 15:6 (NASB), “And the apostles… came together to look into this matter”). revelation from God (Matt. 15:6, “you nullify the Word of God ”). God’s revelation spoken by His servants (Heb. 13:7, “leaders who spoke the Word of God”). a reckoning, an account (Matt. 12:36, “men will have to give account” on the day of judgment). an account or “matter” in a financial sense (Matt. 18:23, A king who wanted to settle “accounts” with his servants. Phil. 4:15, “the matter of giving and receiving”). a reason; motive (Acts 10:29 – NASB), “I ask for what reason you have sent for me”). [1] The above list is not exhaustive, but it does show that logos has a very wide range of meaning. With all the definitions and ways logos can be translated, how can we decide which meaning of logos to choose for any one verse? How can it be determined what the logos in John 1:1 is? Any occurrence of logos has to be carefully studied in its context in order to get the proper meaning. We assert that the logos in John 1:1 cannot be Jesus. Please notice that “Jesus Christ” is not a lexical definition of logos. This verse does not say, “In the beginning was Jesus.” “The Word” is not synonymous with Jesus, or even “the Messiah.” The word logos in John 1:1 refers to God’s creative self-expression—His reason, purposes and plans, especially as they are brought into action. It refers to God’s self-expression, or communication, of Himself. This has come to pass through His creation (Rom. 1:19 and 20), and especially the heavens (Ps. 19). It has come through the spoken word of the prophets and through Scripture, the written Word. Most notably and finally, it has come into being through His Son (Heb. 1:1 and 2). |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wut??? Jesus is a life giving Spirit... He is THE HOLY SPIRIT. There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT. God lives in us THROUGH His Spirit. That's JESUS. You are of the antichrist. 1Jo 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. Joel 2:28 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: YOU ARE OF THE ANTICHRIST. You are breaking the first commandment. You have other Gods |
Nashon User ID: 75232408 Canada 11/29/2020 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Nashon Wut??? Jesus is a life giving Spirit... He is THE HOLY SPIRIT. There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT. God lives in us THROUGH His Spirit. That's JESUS. You are of the antichrist. 1Jo 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. Joel 2:28 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: YOU ARE OF THE ANTICHRIST. You are breaking the first commandment. You have other Gods John 1:1 says Jesus is God. Deal with it. "And Satan answered, and said: Skin for skin, and all that a man hath he will give for his life" Job 2:4 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Achduke7 1Jo 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. Joel 2:28 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: YOU ARE OF THE ANTICHRIST. You are breaking the first commandment. You have other Gods John 1:1 says Jesus is God. Deal with it. If you would look I rebutted you’re John 1 claim . So suck it |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79336673 United Kingdom 11/29/2020 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5 (J)Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 (K)who, though he was in (L)the form of God, did not count equality with God (M)a thing to be grasped, 7 but (N)emptied himself, by taking the form of a (O)servant,[c] (P)being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by (Q)becoming obedient to the point of death, (R)even death on a cross. 9 (S)Therefore (T)God has (U)highly exalted him and bestowed on him (V)the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus (W)every knee should bow, (X)in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and (Y)every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is (Z)Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Fully man. Fully God. |
Nashon User ID: 75232408 Canada 11/29/2020 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Nashon Joel 2:28 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: YOU ARE OF THE ANTICHRIST. You are breaking the first commandment. You have other Gods John 1:1 says Jesus is God. Deal with it. If you would look I rebutted you’re John 1 claim . So suck it Every single Bible in existence says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Deal with it. "And Satan answered, and said: Skin for skin, and all that a man hath he will give for his life" Job 2:4 |
Nashon User ID: 75232408 Canada 11/29/2020 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5 (J)Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 (K)who, though he was in (L)the form of God, did not count equality with God (M)a thing to be grasped, 7 but (N)emptied himself, by taking the form of a (O)servant,[c] (P)being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by (Q)becoming obedient to the point of death, (R)even death on a cross. 9 (S)Therefore (T)God has (U)highly exalted him and bestowed on him (V)the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus (W)every knee should bow, (X)in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and (Y)every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is (Z)Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Quoting: Craiglang Fully man. Fully God. This is just one scripture among many that these reprobates simply pretend does not exist. "And Satan answered, and said: Skin for skin, and all that a man hath he will give for his life" Job 2:4 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you would look I rebutted you’re John 1 claim . So suck it Every single Bible in existence says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Deal with it. Lmao address the long post I made then boy . I proved you are wrong . It’s ok you just don’t know much you are still a child in the faith quit fighting sit down and learn young man |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you READ what Jesus SAID above? Or are you BLINDED by your OWN beliefs? You haven't even accepted John 1:1 yet and you call me blind. It is imperative that the serious student of the Bible come to a basic understanding of logos, which is translated as “Word” in John 1:1. Most Trinitarians believe that the word logos refers directly to Jesus Christ, so in most versions of John logos is capitalized and translated “Word” (some versions even write “Jesus Christ” in John 1:1). However, a study of the Greek word logos shows that it occurs more than 300 times in the New Testament, and in both the NIV and the KJV it is capitalized only 7 times (and even those versions disagree on exactly when to capitalize it). When a word that occurs more than 300 times is capitalized fewer than 10 times, it is obvious that when to capitalize and when not to capitalize is a translators’ decision based on their particular understanding of Scripture. As it is used throughout Scripture, logos has a very wide range of meanings along two basic lines of thought. One is the mind and products of the mind like “reason,” (thus “logic” is related to logos) and the other is the expression of that reason as a “word,” “saying,” “command” etc. The Bible itself demonstrates the wide range of meaning logos has, and some of the ways it is translated in Scripture are: account, appearance, book, command, conversation, eloquence, flattery, grievance, heard, instruction, matter, message, ministry, news, proposal, question, reason, reasonable, reply, report, rule, rumor, said, say, saying, sentence, speaker, speaking, speech, stories, story, talk, talking, teaching, testimony, thing, things, this, truths, what, why, word and words. Any good Greek lexicon will also show this wide range of meaning (the words in italics are translated from logos): speaking; words you say (Rom. 15:18, “what I have said and done”). a statement you make (Luke 20:20 – (NASB), “they might catch him in some statement). a question (Matt. 21:24, “I will also ask you one question”). preaching (1 Tim. 5:17, “especially those whose work is preaching and teaching). command (Gal. 5:14, “the entire law is summed up in a single command”). proverb; saying (John 4:37, “thus the saying, ‘One sows, and another reaps’”). message; instruction; proclamation (Luke 4:32, “his message had authority”). assertion; declaration; teaching (John 6:60, “this is a hard teaching”). the subject under discussion; matter (Acts 8:21, “you have no part or share in this ministry.” Acts 15:6 (NASB), “And the apostles… came together to look into this matter”). revelation from God (Matt. 15:6, “you nullify the Word of God ”). God’s revelation spoken by His servants (Heb. 13:7, “leaders who spoke the Word of God”). a reckoning, an account (Matt. 12:36, “men will have to give account” on the day of judgment). an account or “matter” in a financial sense (Matt. 18:23, A king who wanted to settle “accounts” with his servants. Phil. 4:15, “the matter of giving and receiving”). a reason; motive (Acts 10:29 – NASB), “I ask for what reason you have sent for me”). [1] The above list is not exhaustive, but it does show that logos has a very wide range of meaning. With all the definitions and ways logos can be translated, how can we decide which meaning of logos to choose for any one verse? How can it be determined what the logos in John 1:1 is? Any occurrence of logos has to be carefully studied in its context in order to get the proper meaning. We assert that the logos in John 1:1 cannot be Jesus. Please notice that “Jesus Christ” is not a lexical definition of logos. This verse does not say, “In the beginning was Jesus.” “The Word” is not synonymous with Jesus, or even “the Messiah.” The word logos in John 1:1 refers to God’s creative self-expression—His reason, purposes and plans, especially as they are brought into action. It refers to God’s self-expression, or communication, of Himself. This has come to pass through His creation (Rom. 1:19 and 20), and especially the heavens (Ps. 19). It has come through the spoken word of the prophets and through Scripture, the written Word. Most notably and finally, it has come into being through His Son (Heb. 1:1 and 2). Notice how he won’t reply to this ^ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus claims to be the way the truth and the life . What this means is he fully honored the Torah . The Torah is the way the truth and the life and because Jesus followed perfectly he could claim this . Not that he was but his way of life the Torah was . This is missed by every fool Christian who don’t study ancient studies |
Nashon User ID: 75232408 Canada 11/29/2020 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every single Bible in existence says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Deal with it. Lmao address the long post I made then boy . I proved you are wrong . It’s ok you just don’t know much you are still a child in the faith quit fighting sit down and learn young man Every single Bible in existence says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Deal with it. Start there. "And Satan answered, and said: Skin for skin, and all that a man hath he will give for his life" Job 2:4 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lmao address the long post I made then boy . I proved you are wrong . It’s ok you just don’t know much you are still a child in the faith quit fighting sit down and learn young man Every single Bible in existence says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Deal with it. Start there. But that’s not true . And I showed you that’s not true . How long will you be ignorant ? |
Nashon User ID: 75232408 Canada 11/29/2020 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lmao address the long post I made then boy . I proved you are wrong . It’s ok you just don’t know much you are still a child in the faith quit fighting sit down and learn young man Every single Bible in existence says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Deal with it. Start there. But that’s not true . And I showed you that’s not true . How long will you be ignorant ? Shut up and deal with the Scripture. "And Satan answered, and said: Skin for skin, and all that a man hath he will give for his life" Job 2:4 |
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Servant-of-the-LORD User ID: 896616 United States 11/29/2020 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You deny the Bible. YOU DENY Jesus!!! .................... Picture this. Your Dad is King over a VAST kingdom. You are his son - the Prince. You love your Dad more than ANYTHING or ANYONE else. Would YOU declare yourself King - equal to your Dad? You would NOT. And Jesus didn't either. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Achduke7 User ID: 78023456 United States 11/29/2020 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lmao address the long post I made then boy . I proved you are wrong . It’s ok you just don’t know much you are still a child in the faith quit fighting sit down and learn young man Every single Bible in existence says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Deal with it. Start there. Actually they say the Logos(Word) is God but don't let details get in the way of your delusion. Achduke |
Nashon User ID: 75232408 Canada 11/29/2020 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Made a living Spirit. He did not start that way. He was given a spititual body. Read Paul. You just said Jesus is a FLESH MAN. At least stop contradicting yourself! "And Satan answered, and said: Skin for skin, and all that a man hath he will give for his life" Job 2:4 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Young man have you read the hole bible ? How many lamguages ? Have you went back and studied them ? Have you went back and masters them ? Young man what is your knowledge of the Old Testament ? What’s your knowledge of the people it was given 2 ? What’s your knowledge of the ancient world ? What’s your knowledge of eastern philosophy? |
Nashon User ID: 75232408 Canada 11/29/2020 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lmao address the long post I made then boy . I proved you are wrong . It’s ok you just don’t know much you are still a child in the faith quit fighting sit down and learn young man Every single Bible in existence says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Deal with it. Start there. Actually they say the Logos(Word) is God but don't let details get in the way of your delusion. And Jesus IS the Word. Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called THE WORD OF GOD. (Let me guess you pretend this doesn't exist too). Last Edited by Nashon on 11/29/2020 01:36 PM "And Satan answered, and said: Skin for skin, and all that a man hath he will give for his life" Job 2:4 |
Servant-of-the-LORD User ID: 896616 United States 11/29/2020 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ............. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; For I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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Achduke7 User ID: 78023456 United States 11/29/2020 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Made a living Spirit. He did not start that way. He was given a spititual body. Read Paul. You just said Jesus is a FLESH MAN. At least stop contradicting yourself! He came in the flesh. Now he has a spiritual body after his resurrection. You have read about the resurrection of Jesus Christ who died to save us? Achduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72795773 United States 11/29/2020 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ............. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; For I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. |
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