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Pre-Trib Rapture is very real and it is here.

 
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Nope. No pre-trib rapture. No get out of jail free card.
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Come on, tards. Don’t give up NOW….

You’re almost to page 15 with all your bickering, fighting, and finger-pointing that would make Jesus so proud that you all claim to represent him!

Come on, keep slinging shit at one another! Page 15 awaits!

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Do you believe in Christ?
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Do you believe in Christ?
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The question evidences your utter lack of understanding or you would know not to ask it.

You do not understand what the Christ-Mind is, so you are not in a position to be challenging me, slave.

Continue wallowing in your filth and mud with the other pigs.

….congratulations on 15 pages of idiocy.

Keep up the good work.

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It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
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“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

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Do you believe in Christ?
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The question evidences your utter lack of understanding or you would know not to ask it.

You do not understand what the Christ-Mind is, so you are not in a position to be challenging me, slave.

Continue wallowing in your filth and mud with the other pigs.

….congratulations on 15 pages of idiocy.

Keep up the good work.

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So you have God's Spirit in you or are you new age believing with the right karma we can all become like Christ?

Oh I see you post often also criticizing everyone so thanks for helping us achieve 15 pages.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

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judethz says the opposite.

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german3 No Judethz says what the Bible says. If you wish to ignore/change what is clearly stated then that's on your head, not mine.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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At this present moment, 6-5-2022, it is of course a vital and schemetic fact to point out that we are, of course, in the mid tribulation, We are seeing a gigantic wave of belief, in the hundred millions, that the Rapture is imminent and growing daily.
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Its nearer.
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Do you believe in Christ?
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The question evidences your utter lack of understanding or you would know not to ask it.

You do not understand what the Christ-Mind is, so you are not in a position to be challenging me, slave.

Continue wallowing in your filth and mud with the other pigs.

….congratulations on 15 pages of idiocy.

Keep up the good work.

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No, despite your posturing, you only reveal your unwillingness to simply and directly answer a simple and direct question

and, since you are such a rotten soul, you cannot with shitting on the other person attempting to put them down

because that is the kind of person you are.

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Do you believe in Christ?
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The question evidences your utter lack of understanding or you would know not to ask it.

You do not understand what the Christ-Mind is, so you are not in a position to be challenging me, slave.

Continue wallowing in your filth and mud with the other pigs.

….congratulations on 15 pages of idiocy.

Keep up the good work.

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No, despite your posturing, you only reveal your unwillingness to simply and directly answer a simple and direct question

and, since you are such a rotten soul, you cannot do so without shitting on the other person attempting to put them down

because that is the kind of person you are.

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WE ARE IN THE TRIBULATION. EZEKIEL 38/39 IS UNFOLDING. THE SIXTH TRUMPET (WWIII) IS SOUNDING. JESUS IS RETURNING FEAST OF TRUMPETS 2023.
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every knee shall bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord
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WE ARE IN THE TRIBULATION. EZEKIEL 38/39 IS UNFOLDING. THE SIXTH TRUMPET (WWIII) IS SOUNDING. JESUS IS RETURNING FEAST OF TRUMPETS 2023.
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Quite possibly!
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Soon it will be.
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blinkerrose Along with many other Christians I have also had dreams/visions

of nuclear war. Many of you will dismiss it, but I feel it in my bones that it is very close. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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the book called the bible does not teach a pre trib rapture..so it dont matter what any so called prophet say contrary to gods word..
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You should read the Bible properly and not skip pages. It is there.
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Please, share where in the Bible I can find it?


I'll wait...
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the book called the bible does not teach a pre trib rapture..so it dont matter what any so called prophet say contrary to gods word..
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You should read the Bible properly and not skip pages. It is there.
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Please, share where in the Bible I can find it?


I'll wait...
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1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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the book called the bible does not teach a pre trib rapture..so it dont matter what any so called prophet say contrary to gods word..
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You should read the Bible properly and not skip pages. It is there.
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Please, share where in the Bible I can find it?


I'll wait...
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1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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So the rapture is the same event as Jesus returning to earth and raising the dead. . I don’t see what everyone is arguing about then.
Instead of saying rapture is soon you could call it Jesus is returning soon.
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Yet again I AM here and the repayments is with meh, den again whoever believeth in rapture had already been raptured..

“Behold, I am approaching quickly! And my repayment is with me, to render to each one according to his works behavior.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Blessed are those who wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb. So may they have a right to the tree of life; so may they enter through the gates into the City.

Outside are dogs [mankind, a.k.a soulless beasts] and drug users, and warmongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and everyone who loves to lie and practices falsehood [homosexuals and transgenders].

I Jesus sent mine angel [Elijah the prophet] to testify to these parts. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star [Lord].

And the Spirit and the Bride say: “Draw near.” [Spirit = Superconcsciousness] And whoever hears, let him say: “Draw near.” [Soul = Subconsciousness] And whoever thirsts [for wisdom of knowledge], let him draw near [Physical = Consciousness]. And whoever is willing, let him accept the water of life, freely.

For I call as witnesses all listeners of the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone will have added to these, God will add upon him the afflictions written in this book.

And if anyone will have taken away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion from the Book of Life, and from the Holy City, and from these things which have been written in this book.

He who offers testimony to these things, says: “Even now, I am approaching quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. - Revelation 22:12-21 Vulgate Bible


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He will not tell you that your brother should be judged by what your eyes behold in him, nor what his body’s mouth says to your ears, nor what your finger's touch reports of him. He passes by such idle witnesses, which merely bear false witness to God’s Son. He recognizes only what God loves, and in the holy light of what He sees do all the ego’s dreams of what you are vanish before the splendor He beholds. Let Him be Judge of what you are, for He has certainty in which there is no doubt, because it rests on Certainty so great that doubt is meaningless before Its face. Christ cannot doubt Himself. The Voice of God can only honor Him, rejoicing in His perfect, everlasting sinlessness. Whom He has judged can only laugh at guilt, unwilling now to play with toys of sin; unheeding of the body’s witnesses before the rapture of His holy face.

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the book called the bible does not teach a pre trib rapture..so it dont matter what any so called prophet say contrary to gods word..
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You should read the Bible properly and not skip pages. It is there.
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Please, share where in the Bible I can find it?


I'll wait...
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1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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There is nothing in these verses that support a pre-tribulation rapture, But They do support the OPPOSITE of what you are attempting to twist them into meaning.

Those that are alive and remain, shall not prevent-(go before) those which have died.

He brings them with Him, and they are given their resurrection bodies First

Then those that are alive are changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

God is Spirit and those that worship Him do so in Spirit and Truth.

You have proven over and over again, that You do not hear His voice, you were deceived by this demonic heresy, and now you are a deceiver, full of pride,the blind leading the blind.
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There is nothing in these verses that support a pre-tribulation rapture, But They do support the OPPOSITE of what you are attempting to twist them into meaning.

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That is utter rot. A complete fabrication.
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There is nothing in these verses that support a pre-tribulation rapture, But They do support the OPPOSITE of what you are attempting to twist them into meaning.

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That is utter rot. A complete fabrication.
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Then show me and everyone else wherein the verses judasthz posted that it teaches a pre-trib rapture?

You won't, because you can not!!!

Which is typical of like a pre-tribbers, because believing a lie has become their only hope.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Correct me with scripture or remain silent.
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There is nothing in these verses that support a pre-tribulation rapture, But They do support the OPPOSITE of what you are attempting to twist them into meaning.

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That is utter rot. A complete fabrication.
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Then show me and everyone else wherein the verses judasthz posted that it teaches a pre-trib rapture?

You won't, because you can not!!!

Which is typical of like a pre-tribbers, because believing a lie has become their only hope.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Correct me with scripture or remain silent.
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We have proved you wrong so many many times and you still keep cropping up with all this. This isnt a game. You need to grow up and read the Bible.
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There is nothing in these verses that support a pre-tribulation rapture, But They do support the OPPOSITE of what you are attempting to twist them into meaning.

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That is utter rot. A complete fabrication.
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Then show me and everyone else wherein the verses judasthz posted that it teaches a pre-trib rapture?

You won't, because you can not!!!

Which is typical of like a pre-tribbers, because believing a lie has become their only hope.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Correct me with scripture or remain silent.
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We have proved you wrong so many many times and you still keep cropping up with all this. This isnt a game. You need to grow up and read the Bible.
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You're right about one thing, this isn't a game.

I posted the quoted message a few pages back in this thread, and nothing but crickets from the escapist pre-trib NPCs of the teachers coming in His name that are making merchandise of them, because they prefer to have their ears tickled than to know the Truth.

And as stated by me previously,

Pre-trib theology when confronted with these verses are at a complete loss, unable to answer them.

How do they convince themselves that these verses, unfulfilled prophecies are irrelevant?

They pretend or are blinded to them like they are not even in the Bible that they claim to believe, it sure doesn't look good for them come Judgment day, not good at all.


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Amos 9:9

For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

Prevent means to "go before"

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Exodus 19:4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto Myself.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Ezekiel 20:34

And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a Mighty Hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face

Eagles' Wings for those that will be accounted worthy to Escape from the face of the serpent and stand before the Son of Man

Isaiah 4:5
And YHWH will create upon every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

Obadiah 1:21
And saviours shall come up on Mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's.

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Zion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

Two of the 144,000 for each assembly of Zion - Ecclesiastes 3:15 (Look to the past to understand the future)

Psalms 102:16 When YHWH shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory.

Titus 2:1
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour YESHUA Mashiach;

The Blessed Hope of the believer is the Glorious Appearing, not a secret rapture.

Those that say they will not have to confront the evil-(Great Tribulation) will die by the sword, they have disqualified themselves from the Great Escape.

1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

Jeremiah 16:14
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that it shall no more be said, YHWH liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

15 But, YHWH liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Ezekiel 20:35
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith Adonai YHWH.

YESHUA will return on YOM KIPPUR, Year?

The Day of Atonement / Judgment

Revelation 11:5
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our YHWH, and of His Mashiach; and Adonai YHWH shall reign for ever and ever.

The Last Trump

Leviticus 25:9
‘Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land.

Leviticus 25:10
‘And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.


Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

The day heaven and earth pass away is the day not Known, and does not happen until the end of the 1000 year reign.

Mat 24:35
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Mark 13:31
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Mar 13:32
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

2 Peter 3:8 ( The Day of YHWH lasts for 1000 years)

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

John was shown the Day of the LORD, from the Return of YESHUA until the Great White Throne 1000 years later.

The Last Verse of the Chapter

Hosea 5:15
I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

When did YHWH leave His Place? Answer Philippians 2:6-7, John 1:14

What was their Offence Luke 19:44

Hosea 6:1
Come, and let us return unto YHWH: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

(After 2000 years, the dry bones come to life(House of Jacob), the third day is the millennium)

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of YESHUA, and for the word of Elohim, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Mashiach a thousand years.
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That is utter rot. A complete fabrication.
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Then show me and everyone else wherein the verses judasthz posted that it teaches a pre-trib rapture?

You won't, because you can not!!!

Which is typical of like a pre-tribbers, because believing a lie has become their only hope.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Correct me with scripture or remain silent.
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We have proved you wrong so many many times and you still keep cropping up with all this. This isnt a game. You need to grow up and read the Bible.
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You're right about one thing, this isn't a game.

I posted the quoted message a few pages back in this thread, and nothing but crickets from the escapist pre-trib NPCs of the teachers coming in His name that are making merchandise of them, because they prefer to have their ears tickled than to know the Truth.

And as stated by me previously,

Pre-trib theology when confronted with these verses are at a complete loss, unable to answer them.

How do they convince themselves that these verses, unfulfilled prophecies are irrelevant?

They pretend or are blinded to them like they are not even in the Bible that they claim to believe, it sure doesn't look good for them come Judgment day, not good at all.


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Amos 9:9

For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

Prevent means to "go before"

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Exodus 19:4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto Myself.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Ezekiel 20:34

And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a Mighty Hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face

Eagles' Wings for those that will be accounted worthy to Escape from the face of the serpent and stand before the Son of Man

Isaiah 4:5
And YHWH will create upon every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

Obadiah 1:21
And saviours shall come up on Mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's.

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Zion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

Two of the 144,000 for each assembly of Zion - Ecclesiastes 3:15 (Look to the past to understand the future)

Psalms 102:16 When YHWH shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory.

Titus 2:1
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour YESHUA Mashiach;

The Blessed Hope of the believer is the Glorious Appearing, not a secret rapture.

Those that say they will not have to confront the evil-(Great Tribulation) will die by the sword, they have disqualified themselves from the Great Escape.

1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

Jeremiah 16:14
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that it shall no more be said, YHWH liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

15 But, YHWH liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Ezekiel 20:35
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith Adonai YHWH.

YESHUA will return on YOM KIPPUR, Year?

The Day of Atonement / Judgment

Revelation 11:5
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our YHWH, and of His Mashiach; and Adonai YHWH shall reign for ever and ever.

The Last Trump

Leviticus 25:9
‘Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land.

Leviticus 25:10
‘And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.


Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

The day heaven and earth pass away is the day not Known, and does not happen until the end of the 1000 year reign.

Mat 24:35
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Mark 13:31
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Mar 13:32
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

2 Peter 3:8 ( The Day of YHWH lasts for 1000 years)

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

John was shown the Day of the LORD, from the Return of YESHUA until the Great White Throne 1000 years later.

The Last Verse of the Chapter

Hosea 5:15
I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

When did YHWH leave His Place? Answer Philippians 2:6-7, John 1:14

What was their Offence Luke 19:44

Hosea 6:1
Come, and let us return unto YHWH: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

(After 2000 years, the dry bones come to life(House of Jacob), the third day is the millennium)

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of YESHUA, and for the word of Elohim, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Mashiach a thousand years.
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Then show me and everyone else wherein the verses judasthz posted that it teaches a pre-trib rapture?

You won't, because you can not!!!

Which is typical of like a pre-tribbers, because believing a lie has become their only hope.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Correct me with scripture or remain silent.
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We have proved you wrong so many many times and you still keep cropping up with all this. This isnt a game. You need to grow up and read the Bible.
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You're right about one thing, this isn't a game.

I posted the quoted message a few pages back in this thread, and nothing but crickets from the escapist pre-trib NPCs of the teachers coming in His name that are making merchandise of them, because they prefer to have their ears tickled than to know the Truth.

And as stated by me previously,

Pre-trib theology when confronted with these verses are at a complete loss, unable to answer them.

How do they convince themselves that these verses, unfulfilled prophecies are irrelevant?

They pretend or are blinded to them like they are not even in the Bible that they claim to believe, it sure doesn't look good for them come Judgment day, not good at all.


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Amos 9:9

For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

Prevent means to "go before"

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Exodus 19:4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto Myself.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Ezekiel 20:34

And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a Mighty Hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face

Eagles' Wings for those that will be accounted worthy to Escape from the face of the serpent and stand before the Son of Man

Isaiah 4:5
And YHWH will create upon every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

Obadiah 1:21
And saviours shall come up on Mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's.

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Zion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

Two of the 144,000 for each assembly of Zion - Ecclesiastes 3:15 (Look to the past to understand the future)

Psalms 102:16 When YHWH shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory.

Titus 2:1
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour YESHUA Mashiach;

The Blessed Hope of the believer is the Glorious Appearing, not a secret rapture.

Those that say they will not have to confront the evil-(Great Tribulation) will die by the sword, they have disqualified themselves from the Great Escape.

1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

Jeremiah 16:14
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that it shall no more be said, YHWH liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

15 But, YHWH liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Ezekiel 20:35
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith Adonai YHWH.

YESHUA will return on YOM KIPPUR, Year?

The Day of Atonement / Judgment

Revelation 11:5
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our YHWH, and of His Mashiach; and Adonai YHWH shall reign for ever and ever.

The Last Trump

Leviticus 25:9
‘Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land.

Leviticus 25:10
‘And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.


Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

The day heaven and earth pass away is the day not Known, and does not happen until the end of the 1000 year reign.

Mat 24:35
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Mark 13:31
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Mar 13:32
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

2 Peter 3:8 ( The Day of YHWH lasts for 1000 years)

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

John was shown the Day of the LORD, from the Return of YESHUA until the Great White Throne 1000 years later.

The Last Verse of the Chapter

Hosea 5:15
I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

When did YHWH leave His Place? Answer Philippians 2:6-7, John 1:14

What was their Offence Luke 19:44

Hosea 6:1
Come, and let us return unto YHWH: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

(After 2000 years, the dry bones come to life(House of Jacob), the third day is the millennium)

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of YESHUA, and for the word of Elohim, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Mashiach a thousand years.
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Heresy.
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Troll.
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We have proved you wrong so many many times and you still keep cropping up with all this. This isnt a game. You need to grow up and read the Bible.
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You're right about one thing, this isn't a game.

I posted the quoted message a few pages back in this thread, and nothing but crickets from the escapist pre-trib NPCs of the teachers coming in His name that are making merchandise of them, because they prefer to have their ears tickled than to know the Truth.

And as stated by me previously,

Pre-trib theology when confronted with these verses are at a complete loss, unable to answer them.

How do they convince themselves that these verses, unfulfilled prophecies are irrelevant?

They pretend or are blinded to them like they are not even in the Bible that they claim to believe, it sure doesn't look good for them come Judgment day, not good at all.


..

Amos 9:9

For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

Prevent means to "go before"

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Exodus 19:4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto Myself.

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Ezekiel 20:34

And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a Mighty Hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face

Eagles' Wings for those that will be accounted worthy to Escape from the face of the serpent and stand before the Son of Man

Isaiah 4:5
And YHWH will create upon every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

Obadiah 1:21
And saviours shall come up on Mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's.

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Zion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

Two of the 144,000 for each assembly of Zion - Ecclesiastes 3:15 (Look to the past to understand the future)

Psalms 102:16 When YHWH shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory.

Titus 2:1
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour YESHUA Mashiach;

The Blessed Hope of the believer is the Glorious Appearing, not a secret rapture.

Those that say they will not have to confront the evil-(Great Tribulation) will die by the sword, they have disqualified themselves from the Great Escape.

1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

Jeremiah 16:14
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that it shall no more be said, YHWH liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

15 But, YHWH liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Ezekiel 20:35
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith Adonai YHWH.

YESHUA will return on YOM KIPPUR, Year?

The Day of Atonement / Judgment

Revelation 11:5
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our YHWH, and of His Mashiach; and Adonai YHWH shall reign for ever and ever.

The Last Trump

Leviticus 25:9
‘Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land.

Leviticus 25:10
‘And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.


Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

The day heaven and earth pass away is the day not Known, and does not happen until the end of the 1000 year reign.

Mat 24:35
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Mark 13:31
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Mar 13:32
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

2 Peter 3:8 ( The Day of YHWH lasts for 1000 years)

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

John was shown the Day of the LORD, from the Return of YESHUA until the Great White Throne 1000 years later.

The Last Verse of the Chapter

Hosea 5:15
I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

When did YHWH leave His Place? Answer Philippians 2:6-7, John 1:14

What was their Offence Luke 19:44

Hosea 6:1
Come, and let us return unto YHWH: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

(After 2000 years, the dry bones come to life(House of Jacob), the third day is the millennium)

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of YESHUA, and for the word of Elohim, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Mashiach a thousand years.
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Heresy.
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Troll.
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You should read the Bible properly and not skip pages. It is there.
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Please, share where in the Bible I can find it?


I'll wait...
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1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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There is nothing in these verses that support a pre-tribulation rapture, But They do support the OPPOSITE of what you are attempting to twist them into meaning...............................rant
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german7 It's my fault I suppose, I should have ignored you.

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
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Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
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Rev 6:6 I NEED MY FLOPPY DICK PLAYED WITH. ANYONE WANT TO LEND ME THEIR CHILDREN?


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LOL

I KNEW IT.
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