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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 83156220  Canada05/27/2023 02:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Matthew 7:21-23 I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1949430  United Kingdom05/27/2023 05:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does Yahshua say this if the Law is done away with? Quoting: -Kate- Matthew 7:21-23 I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ The answer to your question is why Lord is repeated twice |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80573488 United States05/27/2023 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kate, your religious pride has blinded you to the truth because you despise the grace that covers the law, the law that you’re obsessed over. You’re missing the point of it all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84855065 All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 3:10 When you’re under the law, counting sins is your master For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. Roman’s 6:14 When you’re under the law, you’ve fallen from grace. Please repent and truly seek God before it’s too late. It’s so saddening watching you struggle with this, you need to be freed from what’s ensnared you and put you in spiritual bondage. An exposition of Romans 10:4, which says: "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes," will help in understanding what it means that Christians are not under the law. The apostle Paul clarifies the effects of original sin in Romans 2:12, stating, "All who sin apart from the law will perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." All men stand condemned before God, whether they are J-uew’s or not, or to put it another way, whether they have the Law of God or not. Paul also states, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). If we are without Christ, we are justly condemned in God’s sight by the Law that was given to His servant Moses. However, we might argue that those who are not Jish and therefore do not benefit from the knowledge of the Mosaic Law (including the moral and ceremonial laws), should not be condemned in the same way. This is dealt with by the Apostle in Romans 2:14-15, where he states that the Gentiles have the essence of God’s legal requirements already ingrained and so are just as much without excuse. The Law is the issue that has to be dealt with in order to bring us into a right relationship with God. "Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Galatians 2:16). This passage reveals that the Law cannot justify or make righteous any man in God’s sight, which is why God sent His Son to completely fulfill the requirements of the Law for all those who would ever believe in Him. Christ Jesus redeemed us from the curse that has been brought through the law by becoming a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He substituted Himself in our place and upon the cross took the punishment that is justly ours so that we are no longer under the curse of the Law. In doing so, He fulfilled and upheld the requirements of the Law. This does not mean that Christians are to be lawless, as some advocate today—a teaching called antinomianism. Rather, it means that we are free from the Mosaic Law and instead under the law of Christ, which is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. Christ became the end of the Law by virtue of what He did on earth through His sinless life and His sacrifice on the cross. So, the Law no longer has any bearing over us because its demands have been fully met in the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith in Christ who satisfied the righteous demands of the Law restores us into a pleasing relationship with God and keeps us there. No longer under the penalty of the Law, we now live under the law of grace in the love of God. [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] Romans?! Galatians?! You can't use Paul to prove Paul. Any honest hearted follower of Yeshua knows that Paul was a false apostle. If he had wanted to he could have chosen him when he walked the Earth. Or after he had arisen and had him replace Judas. He did not. He has his 12, there is no 13 apostle. Yeshua gave many guides to know not to trust Saul when he claims to see Yeshua in the wilderness. When he rose from the dead he was raised as he died, a man in the flesh, in order to demonstrate the resurrection promise to all that though a man dies he may live again. When he ascended into heaven it was as a man. At no time did he appear as an apparition of light. Yeshua said even Satan does appear in this manner, though. For he said, when he leaves no one, NO ONE would see him again until he returned in all his glory and then ALL eyes would see him. Paul was an agent of Rome and their appointed priests in Jerusalem. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80573488 United States05/27/2023 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does Yahshua say this if the Law is done away with? Quoting: -Kate- Matthew 7:21-23 I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ This was a very pointed lesson from him. When he called out those who practice LAWLESSNESS as this is exactly what Paul taught. That they were not under the law. Any with eyes to see and ears to hear can recognize that Saul or Paul as he changed his name to escape recognition by Jesus's followers as their persecutor. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84855065 United States05/27/2023 08:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kate, your religious pride has blinded you to the truth because you despise the grace that covers the law, the law that you’re obsessed over. You’re missing the point of it all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84855065 All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 3:10 When you’re under the law, counting sins is your master For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. Roman’s 6:14 When you’re under the law, you’ve fallen from grace. Please repent and truly seek God before it’s too late. It’s so saddening watching you struggle with this, you need to be freed from what’s ensnared you and put you in spiritual bondage. An exposition of Romans 10:4, which says: "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes," will help in understanding what it means that Christians are not under the law. The apostle Paul clarifies the effects of original sin in Romans 2:12, stating, "All who sin apart from the law will perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." All men stand condemned before God, whether they are J-uew’s or not, or to put it another way, whether they have the Law of God or not. Paul also states, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). If we are without Christ, we are justly condemned in God’s sight by the Law that was given to His servant Moses. However, we might argue that those who are not Jish and therefore do not benefit from the knowledge of the Mosaic Law (including the moral and ceremonial laws), should not be condemned in the same way. This is dealt with by the Apostle in Romans 2:14-15, where he states that the Gentiles have the essence of God’s legal requirements already ingrained and so are just as much without excuse. The Law is the issue that has to be dealt with in order to bring us into a right relationship with God. "Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Galatians 2:16). This passage reveals that the Law cannot justify or make righteous any man in God’s sight, which is why God sent His Son to completely fulfill the requirements of the Law for all those who would ever believe in Him. Christ Jesus redeemed us from the curse that has been brought through the law by becoming a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He substituted Himself in our place and upon the cross took the punishment that is justly ours so that we are no longer under the curse of the Law. In doing so, He fulfilled and upheld the requirements of the Law. This does not mean that Christians are to be lawless, as some advocate today—a teaching called antinomianism. Rather, it means that we are free from the Mosaic Law and instead under the law of Christ, which is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. Christ became the end of the Law by virtue of what He did on earth through His sinless life and His sacrifice on the cross. So, the Law no longer has any bearing over us because its demands have been fully met in the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith in Christ who satisfied the righteous demands of the Law restores us into a pleasing relationship with God and keeps us there. No longer under the penalty of the Law, we now live under the law of grace in the love of God. [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] Romans?! Galatians?! You can't use Paul to prove Paul. Any honest hearted follower of Yeshua knows that Paul was a false apostle. If he had wanted to he could have chosen him when he walked the Earth. Or after he had arisen and had him replace Judas. He did not. He has his 12, there is no 13 apostle. Yeshua gave many guides to know not to trust Saul when he claims to see Yeshua in the wilderness. When he rose from the dead he was raised as he died, a man in the flesh, in order to demonstrate the resurrection promise to all that though a man dies he may live again. When he ascended into heaven it was as a man. At no time did he appear as an apparition of light. Yeshua said even Satan does appear in this manner, though. For he said, when he leaves no one, NO ONE would see him again until he returned in all his glory and then ALL eyes would see him. Paul was an agent of Rome and their appointed priests in Jerusalem. Again, all scripture is God-breathed meaning it’s from God (2 Timothy 3:16). Attacking Paul’s writings which although penned through him, was authored by the Holy Spirit is by definition attacking God Himself. And no, Jesus was not a man when He ascended. He was in a resurrected, glorified body that those in the body of Christ will receive at the Rapture as this is the First Resurrection. Both those who’ve died with their souls awaiting in Heaven with the Lord and those alive on earth will be given incorruptible, glorified bodies when the Father gives Jesus permission to go get His bride in accordance and holding to the customs of a 1st century Galilean wedding. The quoting of Paul above was emphasis on what you and others are obviously missing which is God-breathed scripture for reproof. Below is some more God-breathed scripture for reproof and correction. A Glorious Body But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body. All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. Our Final Victory Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?” The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:35-58 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6811742 United States05/27/2023 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS NEEDS ATTENTION! Quoting: -Kate- 2 Peter 3:16 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. Does Paul Fail the Deuteronomy 13 Test? IS PAUL YAHWEH’S TEST??? PAUL’S VISION ON THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS? Deuteronomy 13:1-5 13 If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, “Let’s go after other gods” and let’s serve them,” 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or to that dreamer of dreams; for YAHWEH YOUR GOD IS TESTING YOU, to know whether you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after Yahweh your God, fear him, keep his commandments, and obey his voice. You shall serve him, and cling to him. 5 That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall remove the evil from among you. OTHER GOD’S - PAGAN PRACTICES! Christmas/Santa, Easter/Bunnies, SABBATH changed, LAWLESSNESS. That’s a new god right there. [link to youtu.be (secure)] .I am not getting into any debate with anyone over this, you can decide for yourselves. I considered the teachings of Paul in my own walk, so seeing this put together information has me shaken and taking another look at things. Yahshua taught what Yahweh taught, this in no way changes that for me, I believe He is the prophesied Messiah! why does it need attention. No relevance to today and living NOW whatsoever.. Why do you stay stuck in old shit? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85896221 Japan05/27/2023 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks. This means so much. Very soon the mark of the beast will be forced on us. They are going to ban cash and force electronic monies on us. Quoting: KIT 11108574 People must not take the mark. No matter what. Yahweh made it very clear you are not to eat the meat sacrificed to idols. Paul's reasoning is like a libtard. What part about NO does he not understand? All scripture is God-breathed meaning it’s from God (2 Timothy 3:16). Attacking Paul’s writings which although penned through him, was authored by the Holy Spirit is by definition attacking God Himself. It amazes me people don’t realize this fact. And circular reasoning amazes me. The bible is true because it says it is......... and paul said so. There is so much that is wrong with the NT it's impossible to know where to start. But OT is an even bigger mess. Best to stay with the red letters. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84855065 United States05/27/2023 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks. This means so much. Very soon the mark of the beast will be forced on us. They are going to ban cash and force electronic monies on us. Quoting: KIT 11108574 People must not take the mark. No matter what. Yahweh made it very clear you are not to eat the meat sacrificed to idols. Paul's reasoning is like a libtard. What part about NO does he not understand? All scripture is God-breathed meaning it’s from God (2 Timothy 3:16). Attacking Paul’s writings which although penned through him, was authored by the Holy Spirit is by definition attacking God Himself. It amazes me people don’t realize this fact. And circular reasoning amazes me. The bible is true because it says it is......... and paul said so. There is so much that is wrong with the NT it's impossible to know where to start. But OT is an even bigger mess. Best to stay with the red letters. No, it’s true because God said it would be and He has the power to protect it. But that grace and luxury has now been removed as of very recent as a form of judgment so that all Bibles have been profaned supernaturally. This is the working of Satan before the coming of the lawless one and God has allowed this to take place as a form of judgment. To get into that is pointless though if you’re one who denies Paul’s writings and the fact that he penned more of the Bible than any other person in history. If you deny the grace of God given in Paul’s writings, you’ve missed the entire reason Jesus came to earth as prophesied throughout the OT. People are in serious trouble and grave danger who are proponents of what you claim above in the near future. This is what God calls “strong delusion” and is exactly what Satan himself wants, people to profane the writings of Paul and miss the entire point of Jesus and the grace of God. Again, strong delusion because they did not love the truth and leads back to the scripture the OP quoted regarding twisting scripture to their own destruction. You’ve fallen from grace being a proponent of accusing Paul a false apostle and dismissing his writings in the Bible. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83074727 United States05/27/2023 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kate, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83055429 Why did King Yeshuah die on the cross!? The cross changed everything You act like its irrevelant. You spit on and belittle His life death and resurection. Paul was the first to teach Salvation by the cross. If there was another way, the Father would not have sent the Son. Paul is going against Yahshua!!!!!! Remember He said go and Sin no more during His ministry! How about the Sermon on the Mount too? He taught if we get angry at a brother it’s equivalent to “thou shall not murder”. What about lust and adultery that He taught. Anyways, I said I didn’t want to debate this. I’ll figure this out with Yashua Himself. ...and then the cross happened. the cross changed everything! . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85896276 Japan05/27/2023 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks. This means so much. Very soon the mark of the beast will be forced on us. They are going to ban cash and force electronic monies on us. Quoting: KIT 11108574 People must not take the mark. No matter what. Yahweh made it very clear you are not to eat the meat sacrificed to idols. Paul's reasoning is like a libtard. What part about NO does he not understand? All scripture is God-breathed meaning it’s from God (2 Timothy 3:16). Attacking Paul’s writings which although penned through him, was authored by the Holy Spirit is by definition attacking God Himself. It amazes me people don’t realize this fact. And circular reasoning amazes me. The bible is true because it says it is......... and paul said so. There is so much that is wrong with the NT it's impossible to know where to start. But OT is an even bigger mess. Best to stay with the red letters. No, it’s true because God said it would be and He has the power to protect it. But that grace and luxury has now been removed as of very recent as a form of judgment so that all Bibles have been profaned supernaturally. This is the working of Satan before the coming of the lawless one and God has allowed this to take place as a form of judgment. To get into that is pointless though if you’re one who denies Paul’s writings and the fact that he penned more of the Bible than any other person in history. If you deny the grace of God given in Paul’s writings, you’ve missed the entire reason Jesus came to earth as prophesied throughout the OT. People are in serious trouble and grave danger who are proponents of what you claim above in the near future. This is what God calls “strong delusion” and is exactly what Satan himself wants, people to profane the writings of Paul and miss the entire point of Jesus and the grace of God. Again, strong delusion because they did not love the truth and leads back to the scripture the OP quoted regarding twisting scripture to their own destruction. You’ve fallen from grace being a proponent of accusing Paul a false apostle and dismissing his writings in the Bible. you people just love to judge others. It's loosh for you, food for your ego. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1949430 United Kingdom05/27/2023 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does Yahshua say this if the Law is done away with? Quoting: -Kate- Matthew 7:21-23 I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ This was a very pointed lesson from him. When he called out those who practice LAWLESSNESS as this is exactly what Paul taught. That they were not under the law. Any with eyes to see and ears to hear can recognize that Saul or Paul as he changed his name to escape recognition by Jesus's followers as their persecutor. “The law says” Abraham has two wives, allegorically meaning one from mt sinai and one from above. So who is really lawless? The one who heeds that lesson written for us or one who insists Ishmael is the heir of the eternal promise ? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1949430 United Kingdom05/27/2023 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84855065 All scripture is God-breathed meaning it’s from God (2 Timothy 3:16). Attacking Paul’s writings which although penned through him, was authored by the Holy Spirit is by definition attacking God Himself. It amazes me people don’t realize this fact. And circular reasoning amazes me. The bible is true because it says it is......... and paul said so. There is so much that is wrong with the NT it's impossible to know where to start. But OT is an even bigger mess. Best to stay with the red letters. No, it’s true because God said it would be and He has the power to protect it. But that grace and luxury has now been removed as of very recent as a form of judgment so that all Bibles have been profaned supernaturally. This is the working of Satan before the coming of the lawless one and God has allowed this to take place as a form of judgment. To get into that is pointless though if you’re one who denies Paul’s writings and the fact that he penned more of the Bible than any other person in history. If you deny the grace of God given in Paul’s writings, you’ve missed the entire reason Jesus came to earth as prophesied throughout the OT. People are in serious trouble and grave danger who are proponents of what you claim above in the near future. This is what God calls “strong delusion” and is exactly what Satan himself wants, people to profane the writings of Paul and miss the entire point of Jesus and the grace of God. Again, strong delusion because they did not love the truth and leads back to the scripture the OP quoted regarding twisting scripture to their own destruction. You’ve fallen from grace being a proponent of accusing Paul a false apostle and dismissing his writings in the Bible. you people just love to judge others. It's loosh for you, food for your ego. Judging others? Pardon? We are to rightly judge. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85896276 Japan05/27/2023 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85896221 And circular reasoning amazes me. The bible is true because it says it is......... and paul said so. There is so much that is wrong with the NT it's impossible to know where to start. But OT is an even bigger mess. Best to stay with the red letters. No, it’s true because God said it would be and He has the power to protect it. But that grace and luxury has now been removed as of very recent as a form of judgment so that all Bibles have been profaned supernaturally. This is the working of Satan before the coming of the lawless one and God has allowed this to take place as a form of judgment. To get into that is pointless though if you’re one who denies Paul’s writings and the fact that he penned more of the Bible than any other person in history. If you deny the grace of God given in Paul’s writings, you’ve missed the entire reason Jesus came to earth as prophesied throughout the OT. People are in serious trouble and grave danger who are proponents of what you claim above in the near future. This is what God calls “strong delusion” and is exactly what Satan himself wants, people to profane the writings of Paul and miss the entire point of Jesus and the grace of God. Again, strong delusion because they did not love the truth and leads back to the scripture the OP quoted regarding twisting scripture to their own destruction. You’ve fallen from grace being a proponent of accusing Paul a false apostle and dismissing his writings in the Bible. you people just love to judge others. It's loosh for you, food for your ego. Judging others? Pardon? We are to rightly judge. Righeous judgment is in the eye of the one who is doing the "righteous" judging. That's why Yeshua says "do not judge lest ye be judged." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84855065 United States05/27/2023 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84855065 All scripture is God-breathed meaning it’s from God (2 Timothy 3:16). Attacking Paul’s writings which although penned through him, was authored by the Holy Spirit is by definition attacking God Himself. It amazes me people don’t realize this fact. And circular reasoning amazes me. The bible is true because it says it is......... and paul said so. There is so much that is wrong with the NT it's impossible to know where to start. But OT is an even bigger mess. Best to stay with the red letters. No, it’s true because God said it would be and He has the power to protect it. But that grace and luxury has now been removed as of very recent as a form of judgment so that all Bibles have been profaned supernaturally. This is the working of Satan before the coming of the lawless one and God has allowed this to take place as a form of judgment. To get into that is pointless though if you’re one who denies Paul’s writings and the fact that he penned more of the Bible than any other person in history. If you deny the grace of God given in Paul’s writings, you’ve missed the entire reason Jesus came to earth as prophesied throughout the OT. People are in serious trouble and grave danger who are proponents of what you claim above in the near future. This is what God calls “strong delusion” and is exactly what Satan himself wants, people to profane the writings of Paul and miss the entire point of Jesus and the grace of God. Again, strong delusion because they did not love the truth and leads back to the scripture the OP quoted regarding twisting scripture to their own destruction. You’ve fallen from grace being a proponent of accusing Paul a false apostle and dismissing his writings in the Bible. you people just love to judge others. It's loosh for you, food for your ego. It’s not judging, it’s defending untruth written in an attack toward God. It’s correction of those slandering the reason Jesus came to earth and why He died for us all. It’s correcting those who are leading people astray through false interpretation with the consequences being eternal separation from God. There is nothing more important than to correct such blasphemy especially given the time period in which we find ourselves living which is the very last days of this present age of grace. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85896276 Japan05/27/2023 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85896221 And circular reasoning amazes me. The bible is true because it says it is......... and paul said so. There is so much that is wrong with the NT it's impossible to know where to start. But OT is an even bigger mess. Best to stay with the red letters. No, it’s true because God said it would be and He has the power to protect it. But that grace and luxury has now been removed as of very recent as a form of judgment so that all Bibles have been profaned supernaturally. This is the working of Satan before the coming of the lawless one and God has allowed this to take place as a form of judgment. To get into that is pointless though if you’re one who denies Paul’s writings and the fact that he penned more of the Bible than any other person in history. If you deny the grace of God given in Paul’s writings, you’ve missed the entire reason Jesus came to earth as prophesied throughout the OT. People are in serious trouble and grave danger who are proponents of what you claim above in the near future. This is what God calls “strong delusion” and is exactly what Satan himself wants, people to profane the writings of Paul and miss the entire point of Jesus and the grace of God. Again, strong delusion because they did not love the truth and leads back to the scripture the OP quoted regarding twisting scripture to their own destruction. You’ve fallen from grace being a proponent of accusing Paul a false apostle and dismissing his writings in the Bible. you people just love to judge others. It's loosh for you, food for your ego. It’s not judging, it’s defending untruth written in an attack toward God. It’s correction of those slandering the reason Jesus came to earth and why He died for us all. It’s correcting those who are leading people astray through false interpretation with the consequences being eternal separation from God. There is nothing more important than to correct such blasphemy especially given the time period in which we find ourselves living which is the very last days of this present age of grace. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I've been where you are. I've also been where Kate is. We are all at different places of our spiritual growth. We all have pieces of the truth, but none of us have all of it. After years of endless debate with other christians, then with messianics, after all that, the one thing that Paul said that I agree with 1,000% is this: …22Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But reject foolish and ignorant speculation, for you know that it breeds quarreling. 24And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing.… |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84855065 United States05/27/2023 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84855065 No, it’s true because God said it would be and He has the power to protect it. But that grace and luxury has now been removed as of very recent as a form of judgment so that all Bibles have been profaned supernaturally. This is the working of Satan before the coming of the lawless one and God has allowed this to take place as a form of judgment. To get into that is pointless though if you’re one who denies Paul’s writings and the fact that he penned more of the Bible than any other person in history. If you deny the grace of God given in Paul’s writings, you’ve missed the entire reason Jesus came to earth as prophesied throughout the OT. People are in serious trouble and grave danger who are proponents of what you claim above in the near future. This is what God calls “strong delusion” and is exactly what Satan himself wants, people to profane the writings of Paul and miss the entire point of Jesus and the grace of God. Again, strong delusion because they did not love the truth and leads back to the scripture the OP quoted regarding twisting scripture to their own destruction. You’ve fallen from grace being a proponent of accusing Paul a false apostle and dismissing his writings in the Bible. you people just love to judge others. It's loosh for you, food for your ego. It’s not judging, it’s defending untruth written in an attack toward God. It’s correction of those slandering the reason Jesus came to earth and why He died for us all. It’s correcting those who are leading people astray through false interpretation with the consequences being eternal separation from God. There is nothing more important than to correct such blasphemy especially given the time period in which we find ourselves living which is the very last days of this present age of grace. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I've been where you are. I've also been where Kate is. We are all at different places of our spiritual growth. We all have pieces of the truth, but none of us have all of it. After years of endless debate with other christians, then with messianics, after all that, the one thing that Paul said that I agree with 1,000% is this: …22Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But reject foolish and ignorant speculation, for you know that it breeds quarreling. 24And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing.… It’s not an opinion and you’ve not been where I am otherwise you wouldn’t be talking like you are in this thread. No, don’t quote one scripture and dismiss the rest of his writings. Don’t be a hypocrite. If you’re to defend those attacking him, dismiss everything he wrote and remain in darkness and delusion. Good luck to you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80130650 United States05/27/2023 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kate, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83055429 Why did King Yeshuah die on the cross!? The cross changed everything You act like its irrevelant. You spit on and belittle His life death and resurection. Paul was the first to teach Salvation by the cross. If there was another way, the Father would not have sent the Son. Paul is going against Yahshua!!!!!! Remember He said go and Sin no more during His ministry! How about the Sermon on the Mount too? He taught if we get angry at a brother it’s equivalent to “thou shall not murder”. What about lust and adultery that He taught. Anyways, I said I didn’t want to debate this. I’ll figure this out with Yashua Himself. People do not understand what the following verse speaks too. Essentially it says that no man can decide for another man what is the right course of life to take, obtaining from lamb or beef offered to idols or eating such, or refraining from meat altogether, has no bearing on salvation, all will be judged according to how they live, but not eating meat or eating it in this regard is not something brethren should quibble over. Very early on in the following text you will see it is about eating meat vs being vegetarian, or eating food meat offered to idols, later sold in the market place, thus refereed by many as unclean as a result, none of which have any weight on salvation. Clearly the meat was clean food meat. It was offered to idols so many people would not eat it considering it unclean due to that distinction. This was a contention between brethren, not between heathens and church members. The meat in question was not pork or camel, or horse. It was food meat offered to idols and later sold in the market place. Romans Chapter 14 1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85896276 Japan05/27/2023 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85896276 you people just love to judge others. It's loosh for you, food for your ego. It’s not judging, it’s defending untruth written in an attack toward God. It’s correction of those slandering the reason Jesus came to earth and why He died for us all. It’s correcting those who are leading people astray through false interpretation with the consequences being eternal separation from God. There is nothing more important than to correct such blasphemy especially given the time period in which we find ourselves living which is the very last days of this present age of grace. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I've been where you are. I've also been where Kate is. We are all at different places of our spiritual growth. We all have pieces of the truth, but none of us have all of it. After years of endless debate with other christians, then with messianics, after all that, the one thing that Paul said that I agree with 1,000% is this: …22Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But reject foolish and ignorant speculation, for you know that it breeds quarreling. 24And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing.… It’s not an opinion and you’ve not been where I am otherwise you wouldn’t be talking like you are in this thread. No, don’t quote one scripture and dismiss the rest of his writings. Don’t be a hypocrite. If you’re to defend those attacking him, dismiss everything he wrote and remain in darkness and delusion. Good luck to you. ALL of you do it!!! Yes, yes, even you. Everyone cherry picks. Anyone who doesn't does mental gymnastics to make it all "work." OP can't observe all the laws, but she does the best she can. You don't observe any of the laws even though Yeshua said not one jot or tittle is gone till the new earth and heaven are here. I'm not defending anyone. I'm walking my own path. I suggest you do as well. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84855065 United States05/27/2023 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84855065 It’s not judging, it’s defending untruth written in an attack toward God. It’s correction of those slandering the reason Jesus came to earth and why He died for us all. It’s correcting those who are leading people astray through false interpretation with the consequences being eternal separation from God. There is nothing more important than to correct such blasphemy especially given the time period in which we find ourselves living which is the very last days of this present age of grace. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I've been where you are. I've also been where Kate is. We are all at different places of our spiritual growth. We all have pieces of the truth, but none of us have all of it. After years of endless debate with other christians, then with messianics, after all that, the one thing that Paul said that I agree with 1,000% is this: …22Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But reject foolish and ignorant speculation, for you know that it breeds quarreling. 24And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing.… It’s not an opinion and you’ve not been where I am otherwise you wouldn’t be talking like you are in this thread. No, don’t quote one scripture and dismiss the rest of his writings. Don’t be a hypocrite. If you’re to defend those attacking him, dismiss everything he wrote and remain in darkness and delusion. Good luck to you. ALL of you do it!!! Yes, yes, even you. Everyone cherry picks. Anyone who doesn't does mental gymnastics to make it all "work." OP can't observe all the laws, but she does the best she can. You don't observe any of the laws even though Yeshua said not one jot or tittle is gone till the new earth and heaven are here. I'm not defending anyone. I'm walking my own path. I suggest you do as well. Again, her “doing the best she can” is why she’s lost. The reason you’re lost is because you’re in this thread defending such blasphemy and defending those stating Paul’s writings are false. You miss the entire reason why Jesus came to earth. It’s not cherry-picking, endless scripture attests to the grace of God through Jesus Christ. Endless scripture from both the OT and the NT. It’s the entire reason Jesus came, to live a perfect life thereby fulfilling the law and dying so that those who believe on Him with all their heart will have His righteousness imputed upon them and therefore be saved from eternal separation from God. This is obviously lost on you and this is not by accident, you’re blind for a reason. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85582242 United States05/27/2023 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS NEEDS ATTENTION! Quoting: -Kate- 2 Peter 3:16 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. Does Paul Fail the Deuteronomy 13 Test? IS PAUL YAHWEH’S TEST??? PAUL’S VISION ON THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS? Deuteronomy 13:1-5 13 If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, “Let’s go after other gods” and let’s serve them,” 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or to that dreamer of dreams; for YAHWEH YOUR GOD IS TESTING YOU, to know whether you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after Yahweh your God, fear him, keep his commandments, and obey his voice. You shall serve him, and cling to him. 5 That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall remove the evil from among you. OTHER GOD’S - PAGAN PRACTICES! Christmas/Santa, Easter/Bunnies, SABBATH changed, LAWLESSNESS. That’s a new god right there. [link to youtu.be (secure)] .I am not getting into any debate with anyone over this, you can decide for yourselves. I considered the teachings of Paul in my own walk, so seeing this put together information has me shaken and taking another look at things. Yahshua taught what Yahweh taught, this in no way changes that for me, I believe He is the prophesied Messiah! 1 Tim. 2-11-12 Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. Be silent woman. She is a modern day eve |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85582242 United States05/27/2023 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS NEEDS ATTENTION! Quoting: -Kate- 2 Peter 3:16 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. Does Paul Fail the Deuteronomy 13 Test? IS PAUL YAHWEH’S TEST??? PAUL’S VISION ON THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS? Deuteronomy 13:1-5 13 If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, “Let’s go after other gods” and let’s serve them,” 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or to that dreamer of dreams; for YAHWEH YOUR GOD IS TESTING YOU, to know whether you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after Yahweh your God, fear him, keep his commandments, and obey his voice. You shall serve him, and cling to him. 5 That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall remove the evil from among you. OTHER GOD’S - PAGAN PRACTICES! Christmas/Santa, Easter/Bunnies, SABBATH changed, LAWLESSNESS. That’s a new god right there. [link to youtu.be (secure)] .I am not getting into any debate with anyone over this, you can decide for yourselves. I considered the teachings of Paul in my own walk, so seeing this put together information has me shaken and taking another look at things. Yahshua taught what Yahweh taught, this in no way changes that for me, I believe He is the prophesied Messiah! 1 Tim. 2-11-12 Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. Be silent woman. She is a modern day eve |
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