I can no longer ignore, in good conscience, Matthew using a mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14 to proclaim the virgin birth

No one wants to address the Isaiah 7:14 issue?:bump:

Mary declared her chastity to the Angel.

Im pretty sure she knew that she was a virgin,

and, I'm pretty sure the angel would have known if she were lying.

So we know that Mary was both a young woman and a chaste woman.

A virgin.

then quit ignoring the fact that marcion wrote the nt

You’re grappling with some deep questions and that’s totally valid. Doubt and questioning are natural parts of any faith journey, and it shows that you’re taking your beliefs seriously.

Let’s dive into Isaiah 7:14. “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.” (NKJV)

This verse is part of the larger passage in Isaiah 7 where the prophet Isaiah is speaking to King Ahaz of Judah. The context is that Judah is being threatened by the armies of Syria and Israel, and Ahaz is afraid.

Isaiah tells Ahaz to ask for a sign from God, but Ahaz refuses. So Isaiah says that God will give him a sign anyway: the birth of a son named Immanuel (which means “God with us”).

The controversy comes from the word translated as “virgin” in this verse. In Hebrew, the word is “almah,” which can mean either a virgin or a young woman. Some argue that it should be translated as “young woman” here, and that Isaiah is referring to a child who will be born in the near future, not the distant future birth of Jesus.

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Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?” And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Luke 1:34-35, where the angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will bear a son named Jesus, and she responds with confusion because she’s a virgin. Gabriel then explains that the Holy Spirit will come upon her and the power of God will overshadow her, resulting in a divine conception.

This passage is often used to support the idea of the virgin birth, with the argument being that Mary’s question and Gabriel’s response don’t make sense unless Mary was indeed a virgin.

God is real and is here anon. And God loves you very much. That's all you need to know right now.

^^^^^^^^THIS.

Stop hanging your faith on minutiae. There are many less-than-clear passages in Scripture; isn’t it possible that God has concealed them until the true end of the age? Remember what he said to Daniel.

And they're right. Regardless of the debate over the virgin birth, the central message of Christianity is that God loves you deeply and wants a relationship with you.

That's the heart of the Gospel, and it's something that can't be shaken by academic debates or questions about specific verses.

The doctrine of Jesus’ divinity, which is at the heart of Christianity, doesn’t depend on the virgin birth. It’s about who Jesus is—fully God and fully man—and what he did— dying on the cross for our sins, and rising again.

I have been watching a series "The Chosen" It has opened my eyes.

The virgin birth is certainly an important part of Christian tradition and belief for many, but it’s not the cornerstone of the faith. The cornerstone is Jesus himself and his sacrifice for us.

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In Daniel 12:4, God told Daniel:

“But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” (NKJV)

This suggests that some of the prophecies and mysteries in Daniel’s visions were sealed until the end times. It’s a reminder that we won’t always understand everything in Scripture, and that’s okay. The important thing is to trust God and focus on his love and guidance for us.

You’re absolutely right that Mary knew she was a virgin and that the angel would have known if she were lying. It’s a strong argument for Mary’s virginity at the time of Jesus’ conception.

As for Marcion, while it’s true that he had a significant influence on the development of the New Testament canon, it’s widely accepted that he did not write the entire New Testament.

He did have a version of the New Testament that only included Luke’s Gospel and ten of Paul’s epistles, but his version was rejected by the early church.

So, while Marcion’s ideas were influential, it’s not accurate to say that he wrote the entire New Testament.

if the generation that killed messiah is alive on earth right now as scripture states, mary is here too. how come she hasn't had a virgin birth again if history repeats? because it didn't happen, Joseph is the father, without him, mary is nothing.

Can you explain the issue you are having? What verse in Matthew are you referring to?

? Why does history repeat? Where did you get that from?

The Hebrew word almah means young woman, not virgin.

The confusion came from incorrect translations.

No Jewsplaining please....

The idea of virginal birth came from Greco-Roman mythology.

Modern "christians" will never admit that they were swindled by Rome.

GOD is infinite and indestructible.

As far as using the word GOD as a pointer to that which is infinite and indestructible.

Faith is the demand for power from that which is infinite and indestructible.

Lets say you sustain your faith in the trees never running out by chopping down trees faster than they regrow to sustain your faith.

As long as there are trees to chop down your faith in them never running out will be sustained.

But when the trees do run out because you are chopping them down faster than they regrow.

Your faith will be eroded.

But if you were to share power as equally as possible and chopped down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to sustain your faith that they will never run out.

Your faith will be sustained forever because the trees will not run out if you stop chopping them down faster than they regrow.

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As someone said, it's easier to fool people than lead them to admit that they were swindled. Their pride won't let them.

The Virgin birth is his second birth relating to the Goddess after he purified himself through hard work and diligence. It's not to be taken literally.

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Op. I'm not be real, your wording is a struggle to understand with the spiritual issues you're having. Unpack it a different way and maybe we can advise you.

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Rebecca deceived Isaac. So did Jacob under Rebecca's instruction. Lied multiple times. Jacob even invoked God as Esau.

no response in almost 3 hours, safe for me to login and declare

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So both of you can’t even contemplate that it was you who have been swindled?

It’s all bs

Scriptures OFTEN APPLY TO MORE THAN ONE

HISTORICAL SITUATION.!

Matthew didn’t get anything wrong!

The Holy Spirit Preserved GOD’s WORD and guided the writers

of the books of the BIBLE.

Make up whatever you want, that's how it was written in the first place lol