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Let me start with the fact that neither the casting nor the makeup achieves an ethnically accurate looking cast. The exceptions to this appear to be the men under Pilate’s command (but not Pilate himself). They would have looked like many of the people living in Mediterranean Europe today – dark hair and eyes (brown), but light skin. But what about the Jews? Let’s use Jesus as a case study for what they should look like.

Now, there are - despite rumors to the contrary - no Biblical passages or reliable historical documents that describe what Jesus looked like, and that's ok, because we don't really need any to get an idea. All we need to know is His age (He was around 33 at the time of His Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension) and that He was a Jew living in First Century Israel.

Although Jews of today are not ethnically homogeneous (largely due to intermarriage by those population groups that migrated to Europe with the native inhabitants, but due to other causes as well, however you can still be “ethnically Jewish” and not “religiously Jewish” – it’s a complicated, tricky issue), the Jews living in Israel before the Diaspora were ethnically homogeneous. In other words, during the time period that we are concerned with for the sake of this discussion, and in the geographical area that we are concerned with for the sake of this discussion, the Jews of First Century Israel were ethnically homogeneous. They were essentially a large, extended family (the descendants of Jacob) who had hardly ever intermarried with outsiders. Thus, consistently similar - almost identical - features and coloring.

Well, who do we compare them to ethnically? Arguments for them being what modern Americans would consider “white” or “black” can be quickly and easily dismissed. But what about comparisons to Arabs? Neither most modern Arabs nor most modern Jews (notice I said most, not all) would care for that comparison. You try telling most Arabs OR Jews that the most famous Jew of all time looked like an Arab! It just doesn't make sense! Jews and Arabs are two distinctly different groups of people who have lived in the same region for a very long time, but because of their animosity towards each other, have rarely, if ever, intermarried.

So, the question comes up again...who do we compare them to ethnically? Quite simply, the Jews of First Century Israel would have been most comparable ethnically to the modern day Mizrachim - Jews of Near and Middle Eastern stock. This is opposed to the other modern “types” of Jews - most notably Asheknazim and Sephardim. The Ashkenazim and Sephardim are both the descendants of population groups from different areas of Europe, although the Sephardim began to “return” to Israel en masse long before the Ashkenazim did and some Sephardic population groups have over the course of history settled in various places throughout the Near and Middle East. However, both groups are the results of extensive intermarriage with and conversion of native population groups in Europe shortly after the Diaspora. These two groups are the ancestors of the Jews most non-Jewish North Americans and Europeans are used to seeing, both living in their own areas and in the media in the form of entertainers and world leaders, including those of modern-day Israel. Jewish population groups from Africa and Asia are often lumped in under the designation of Mizrachim, although some groups cannot be put into any of these three classifications.

A quick reminder, many of the terms that people seem to sometimes use interchangeably in such discussions – such as “Jewish” and “Middle Eastern” - cannot accurately be used interchangeably. Besides, do you know how many different ethnic groups have lived in the Middle East at one time or another? Also, as stated earlier, Jews of today are not ethnically homogeneous, so when people say things like “look Jewish” or something to that effect, there really is no such thing in the modern sense. Do you mean like Sammy Davis Jr. or like Woody Allen or like Gene Wilder or like Jerry Seinfeld or like Jerry Springer or like Jerry Stiller or...? You get the point, and I digress...

As stated before, the Mizrachim are ethnically identical to the Jews of the time of Christ. From this we can determine that they (and therefore Jesus) tended to have extremely dark skin (not like a black sub-Saharan African, though), thick, dark body hair, a long, prominent, distinguished, pointed nose that curved outwards, dark brown eyes, and thick, curly black hair (until they went bald and/or it turned gray or white). So, yes, they did have more in common as far as their physical features and coloring with their Semitic cousins such as the Arabs than with what modern Americans would consider “white” or “black”. In fact, if you gave Jesus a shave and a haircut, dressed Him in modern Western clothes, and plopped Him down in any city in America, most modern (ignorant) Americans would probably mistake Him for Arab or Latino/Hispanic or think that He was from somewhere on the Indian Sub-Continent. I do realize that to most modern readers, making such generalizations when describing a group of people may seem to be in poor taste, but scientists that work in fields that deal with such things do it. But back to describing what Jesus may have looked like. The realities of the time and place, as well as his diet and lifestyle and occupation, would indicate that he would have been slim, thin, and lean, yet tough, resilient, hardy, strong, and rugged. About 40 pounds less than regular people and being 1.57 meters tall, a dwarf smaller than Tom Cruise while Romans were 10 cm taller. Have you ever seen someone buff and built or husky/chubby living in a Third-World Country? Moving on, despite what the Discovery Channel and Popular Mechanics says (I saw their “reconstruction” and am not the only person that finds it EXTREMELY laughable), the realities of His religion and culture and the time and place and His socioeconomic status would indicate to us that His beard (which would be just as thick, curly, and black as the hair on His head) and His hair would both be grown very long and shaggy and - just like every other male of His religion and culture - He would have had peoth (side locks/curls). When I think of the hair, I think of images from the 60’s and 70’s like those of the hippies at Woodstock, with their huge, thick, curly massses of long unkept tangled, matted hair. When I think of the mustaches, I think of pictures from the 19th century of men with their big, thick, bushy mustaches. When I think of the beards, I think of those hippies again, and of Rasputin and of Santa Claus and of ZZ Topp and of Grizzly Adams and of homeless guys and even of Charles Manson and Ted Kazinsky. Anyways, that mass of hair on their head would be partly covered by a large felt skullcap (made in a very similar manner and of the same material as the more recent fez and tarboosh, only round and fit snugly and tightly on the head) that the Jews had adopted from the Greeks when the Greeks came with the conquests of Alexander the Great, replacing the turbans that the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews had worn for nearly 1,000 years prior. All adult male Jews (those that had had their Bar Mitzvah) would wear this at all times as it was - again - part of their religion and culture.

This brings up the point that the color schemes and designs of the costumes of everyone (including any armor seen) are not historically accurate. You would be surprised by what would have actually been worn in light of what has been seen on the screen and in art. In art the traditional depiction of the attire of “Biblical people” has its basis in Byzantine art in which the people were depicted in Byzantine dress. On the screen we have a tradition apparently based on costume designers’ stylized interpretations of traditional Arab dress. Sometimes, though, it all just seems to spring from the individual’s imagination. To us, what the Jews of First Century Israel wore would have looked more or less like a uniform. Of course there was the skullcap mentioned earlier. Almost everything was made from wool, and very rarely flax. There was a sort of “underwear” which was a long strip of fabric wrapped under and around, and which was the only thing men in certain occupations would be wearing when doing their work. Then there was the tunic, the same basic thing, with slight variations for men, women, and children and based on occupation (and therefore income) and where you lived, as well as what time of year it was and the skill of the woman making the garment. That garment never went too far bellow the knees (except for women) and the sleeves never went too far below the elbow, and occasionally (again for men in certain occupations when doing their work during certain times of year) there were no sleeves. Due to the fact that they were made for the individual and for practical reasons as well (conservation of material and to make it easier to work in the clothes) the garments were very snug and fitted. To us, the fabric would look rough and the stitching crude and primitive. A small sash wrapped around the waist served as a belt, and sometimes things were tucked into the folds, serving as a sort of pocket. Hardly anyone could afford to dye or even bleach any of their clothing, so it was usually the natural color of the material. Pharisees forbade th euse of white which was used only to mourn like in Asia.

Women wore a type of combination shawl/veil. The one item that every man had to splurge and put a little color in (a particular shade of blue) was the large shawl that he always carried that had fringes along the edges and tassels on the corners. It served an endless variety of purposes. He usually carried it draped over one shoulder to provide padding for the goat-skin satchel he might be carrying. If it was hot and dusty and the sun was particularly bright, he might would drape and wrap it over his head and shoulders, covering his mouth and nose, to keep the sun off of his head and out of his eyes, and the dust out of his mouth and nose. It could be (and often was) used as a blanket. In the Synagogue and Temple and at any time that he was praying, he would put it over his head.

This was the beginnings of the Tallit, the Jewish prayer shawl. The Roman soldiers wore chain mail armor and a bronze helmet, the exact designs of which are known to us, although it is up for speculation how much of their arms and armor they’d be equipped with while carrying out routine crucifixions just outside the city wall. The Temple Guards would be wearing typical Levite dress, which was a bleached white linen garment that went down to the ankles and had fringes and tassels at the bottom, and which had tightly fitted sleeves that extended to the wrists, and they wore a sash-belt at the waist. They wore a small, rectangular, bronze chest plate held on by leather straps attached at the four corners that went over the shoulders and under the arms and connected in the back. A leather belt with square bronze plates attached to the outside was worn over the sash for carrying a sword or dagger. A very plain, simple bronze helmet (most likely conical) was worn. Most likely a spear and small shield were carried, although they would not be of the caliber of those carried by the Romans or even those of the Herodian soldiers. In addition to the designs and colors of the costumes, in some scenes, certain characters (such as Caiaphas and Pilate, for example) appear to be wearing things that they most likely would not have worn in those situations (or sometimes aren’t wearing things that they most likely would have). Pilate, being the Roman Prefect, would have hardly ever worn armor, and in such situations as those in which he appears in the Gospels would be wearing his tunic and toga. Caiaphas, as High Priest, would only wear his Vestments when officiating in the Temple during specific times of the year, and so we shouldn’t see him in them at all. He should be wearing typical priestly garb, which would be much like that of the Levites (but without the armor and weapon elements mentioned for the Temple Guards). Also, as indicated earlier, the hairstyles of the Jewish characters (both for their heads and their faces – including Jesus and the Apostles) and possibly some of the other characters are not accurate.

Pharisees wore at least 18 pieces in their robes and enlarge the boxes with the Scripture pieces they tied up on their foreheads. In a would-be filmed I would like to see that emphasized to gigantic scale like Pasolini's use of conic huge hats in his Gospel According to Matthew. Maybe using purple color or transparent plastic worn by FAT Pharisees revealing the inner parts! Hahaha!

The locations chosen for filming are geographically and geologically different from the locations they are meant to represent in Israel. It is a different climate and environment. They also have different flora and fauna.

The sets are architecturally inaccurate. The materials and construction methods and styles and designs and colors, etc., that are apparently meant to be represented differ from what would have really been, which archaeology can tell us a great deal about. Plenty of information is available online and in many books detailing the reconstructions of the buildings of Jerusalem during this period, just as it is for everything else that I mention.

Many of the props used are inaccurate in that they are anachronistic, whether it be chronologically, geographically, socially, situationally...whatever.

Jesus and the Apostles are sitting at the table while they eat, whereas they should be reclining.
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Wrong.


The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city.

"There lives, at this time, in Judea, a man of singular virtue whose name is Jesus Christ, whom the barbarians esteem as a prophet, but his followers love and adore him as the offspring of the immortal God. He calls back the dead from the graves, and heals all sorts of diseases with a word or a touch.

He is a tall man, and well shaped, of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair is of a color that can hardly be matched, the color of chestnut full ripe, falling in waves about his shoulders. His forehead high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with lovely red: his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard thick and of a color suitable to his hair, reaching below his chin. His eyes bright blue, clear and serene, look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of his body, most perfect and captivating, his hands and arms most delectable to behold.


He rebukes with majesty, counsels with mildness, his whole address, whether in word or in deed, being eloquent and grave. No man has ever seen him laugh, yet his manner is exceedingly pleasant; but he has wept in the presence of men. He is temperate, modest and wise; a man, for his extraordinary beauty and divine perfections, surpassing the children of men in every sense."
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Did you know the English actor Robert Powell (Jesus of Nazareth) was to play Judas? Someone saw him with a wig on and did the sign of the cross 'cos the man looked more Christ than Christ himself!!!!! Yet, both Al Pacino & Dustin Hoffman (usually confused cos their features) were thought to be would-be "Jesus". Both of them are short and have big noses.... and as a matter of fact they look alike that Peruvian/Scottish actor Henry Ian Cusick who played Christ in The Gospel of John. Well, he's good looking though.

It seems Italian director, Zefirelli, was inspired by Renassence images or Danish artist Carl Block (1834-1890) while Mel Gibson was inspired by Caravaggio. Jim Caviezel had his blue eyes altered to brown and wore a prosthetic nose. Basque-Jewish university student, Enrique Irazoqui, played Jesus in Pasolini's The Gospel of Matthew and had a strange eyebrow on his forehead as one appocrypha document mentioned regarding Jesus. Swedish Max Von Sidow played Jesus with a black short wig in The Greatest Story Ever Told and he said was horrified by American accent played by Jeffrey Hunter in King of Kings. But, Jews actually couldn't shave off their beards and it looks actors sometimes are cast at the last minute with a beard grown only a week or two. That's a huge mistake. Only nazir wore long hair and if that's the case, Judas didn't need to kiss Jesus to identify him, could've said "the tall one with a huhe mane, that's the man to arrest!".
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Wrong.


The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city.

I read that long time ago but it seems it's not so real. That's the inspiration of a phrase quoted in the tv series "Jesus" where Gary Oldman playing Pilate says to Jesus "you have an interesting face". As a matter of fact Jews were forbidden to wear long hair (and apostle Paul says in Corinthians it's dishonorable for men to wear long hair and uses a Greek word related to rotten bodies as something very disgusting). Only the nazir who did the vote like Samson or Samuel could've used long hair or Essenes. But Christ attitude was very different from the ritualistic Essenes which is somehting people usually ignore just seeing some superficial "similarities". Essenes,for example, refrained from drinking wine.
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I don't have any prejuidice against blonde Christ but who knows? 1 Samuel says king David was RED HAIR, with beautiful eyes and Christ was from that lineage. We know Scottish people are the ones with more amount of red hair people and blue eyes....
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I got a pic of Jesus up on my wall hes a white guy with long hair and a beard to me thats wat he looks like i guess.
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there's a description of Jesus in Valtorta's Poem of the Man-God. Also, if you google the Divine Mercy picture that's supposed to be an accurate representation of Jesus based on Sr. Faustina Kowalska's vision. So, forget the curly locks.
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See the White good looking guy? That's Jesus. See the ugly swarthy hook nosed creature? That's a Jew.
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That Publius Lentelus document is a farse. Was a letter found in 1421 by a certain Giacomo Colonna and sent to Rome from Constantinople, it was Greek origin and later on translated to Latin during 13th & 14th Centuries and humanists had access to it:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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So, unfortunately that Scottish looking "Jesus" is just an arian wet dream image. By the way, letter "J" was invented by French humanist Pierre de la Ramée during 16th Century due to the tendency to twist the ending of letter "I" to the left. That letter was called "iota" and "J" was "jota" (as it is today in Portuguese and Spanish) and set in the alphabet right after the "I" (A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I, J...) If you check the Hebrew first 2 letters correspond to the same ones starting the name ISaiah. Hebrew ORAL language is just an invention created during 19th Century by Benyehuda and the name of the ones considered blasphemers were CHANGED in order to be wiped out from memory of men. On the other hand, Arab both oral and written language was never erased from memory and related to Hebrew and Aramaic. Arabs still remember that "Jesus" as ISA and there are reasons why in English both ISaiah and ISrael sound like EEsrael and EEsaiah while Egyptian ISis sounds like AYsees.
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So,
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So, you have proved nothing and this thread is complete crap.
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If anyone wants to make a film about real Christ , they should consider these things and just the way Luke "edited" things said by Christ in different circumstances, differently from Matthew account, we ought to edit Christ words to specific circumstances to nowadays because repeating the whole thing (and just using the 4 gospels instead of Thomas Gospel or the gospel of the 12 holy ones, etc) sounds so superficial, like fairy tales for kids. Christ real preaching was VEDANTA sort of thing. If anyone wants to make a film should contact me to help decoding important things...starting with the false translation of "faith", "repent", "kingdom of God" (within rather than among), bread of true substance rather than every day ordinary bread and so on.

Abba and Amma, kingdom of god when both male and female are not more.....
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I am saying Jews were almost dwarves compared with taller Romans and probably they looked like Al Pacino/Dustin Hoffman; I say the name was Isa sounding like EEsa rather than Jesus taken from Latin IESVS and Greek IESOYS; I'm saying all films use Arabian clothes usually rather than the robes worn by Jews with a schawl. I'm saying Christ never wore long hippy hair and got a permanent tan and the Christ usual image was invented in Middle Ages when Christians were fighting dark Jews and Arabs. I'm saying even his message is unknown by ignorant people including the ones -like you- who are unable to learn what they read. Dead people burying dead people, walking zombies.
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Wrong.


The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city.

I read that long time ago but it seems it's not so real. That's the inspiration of a phrase quoted in the tv series "Jesus" where Gary Oldman playing Pilate says to Jesus "you have an interesting face". As a matter of fact Jews were forbidden to wear long hair (and apostle Paul says in Corinthians it's dishonorable for men to wear long hair and uses a Greek word related to rotten bodies as something very disgusting). Only the nazir who did the vote like Samson or Samuel could've used long hair or Essenes. But Christ attitude was very different from the ritualistic Essenes which is somehting people usually ignore just seeing some superficial "similarities". Essenes,for example, refrained from drinking wine.
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Jesus was a nazarite meaning that he did not shave the hair off His face and head. so naturally His beard and hair became dreadlocked and nappy. thats why in the bible described that His hair was like lambs wool. so when they crucified Christ they humiliated Him by cutting the beard and hair just like delilah did to samson to weaken him. thats how the roman soldiers got the crown of thorns over His head. you cannot t put thorns over nobodys head if it was dreadlocked. and Jesus was in his 30s so imagine how long and nappy his hair was.
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i know one things for sure.

he didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes!

FACT!!!
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also the descendants of jacob were black. remember the bible only gave a description of esau but not of jacob. why was that? because jacob was the same color of his parents. esau was of a lighter hue, more like mahogany in color. the same as king david. there are scriptures that portrayed the original jews as a black people.

Lamentations 4 verse 8:
"Their visage is blacker than a coal."

Lamentations 5 verse 10:
"our skin was black like an oven."

Job 30 verse 30:
"My skin is black upon me."

Jeremiah 14 verse 2:
"Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, they are black unto the ground."

Song of Solomon 1 verse 5, 6:
"I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me because I am black."

the first 4 verses described the jews going through a famine and drought. naturally when blacks are going through famine they get much darker. white people and others of a much lighter complexion such as arabs dont get black but pale. so the original jews would have looked like this during a famine [link to dieoff.org]
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i know one things for sure.

he didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes!

FACT!!!
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Here's a fact for u.
FACT: saying fact does not make something a fact, even if u add exclamation marks after it
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This is really interesting...
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when blacks are going through famine they get much darker.

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Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm
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when blacks are going through famine they get much darker.



Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm
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well....but on that note, if the bible described the jews as a black skinned people, never intermarried bcuz it was forbidden; will go back into slavery again by ships with iron around their necks to a far away country and never see israel again who the hell are those that are there now?
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when blacks are going through famine they get much darker.



Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm

well....but on that note, if the bible described the jews as a black skinned people, never intermarried bcuz it was forbidden; will go back into slavery again by ships with iron around their necks to a far away country and never see israel again who the hell are those that are there now?
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also how can the jews go from all black people as described in the bible to an all white people all of a sudden?
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Wrong.


The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city.

"There lives, at this time, in Judea, a man of singular virtue whose name is Jesus Christ, whom the barbarians esteem as a prophet, but his followers love and adore him as the offspring of the immortal God. He calls back the dead from the graves, and heals all sorts of diseases with a word or a touch.

He is a tall man, and well shaped, of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair is of a color that can hardly be matched, the color of chestnut full ripe, falling in waves about his shoulders. His forehead high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with lovely red: his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard thick and of a color suitable to his hair, reaching below his chin. His eyes bright blue, clear and serene, look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of his body, most perfect and captivating, his hands and arms most delectable to behold.


He rebukes with majesty, counsels with mildness, his whole address, whether in word or in deed, being eloquent and grave. No man has ever seen him laugh, yet his manner is exceedingly pleasant; but he has wept in the presence of men. He is temperate, modest and wise; a man, for his extraordinary beauty and divine perfections, surpassing the children of men in every sense."
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This is not "historical" because it refers to him as being named, "Jesus Christ" when "Christ" is merely a title.

Find a historian who refers to a Jesus, son of Mary.

I don't think you will.
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Jesus had a big cock, they would've nailed that to the cross too....(j/k)
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perhaps He looked like a Rasta
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The Truth: Jesus was a giant and pitch black. The honky romans and jews lynched him for fucking every white woman in israel.
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when blacks are going through famine they get much darker.



Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm

well....but on that note, if the bible described the jews as a black skinned people, never intermarried bcuz it was forbidden; will go back into slavery again by ships with iron around their necks to a far away country and never see israel again who the hell are those that are there now?


also how can the jews go from all black people as described in the bible to an all white people all of a sudden?
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So all Jews are black?
Black replacement theology at its finest.

What does it even matter?

Rev 7:9
9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
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when blacks are going through famine they get much darker.



Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm

well....but on that note, if the bible described the jews as a black skinned people, never intermarried bcuz it was forbidden; will go back into slavery again by ships with iron around their necks to a far away country and never see israel again who the hell are those that are there now?


also how can the jews go from all black people as described in the bible to an all white people all of a sudden?

So all Jews are black?
Black replacement theology at its finest.

What does it even matter?

Rev 7:9
9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 550089


as described in the bible, YES! and it aint black replacement theology. replacement theology began when the white man began to hide the truth from the original jews and put a fake replacement there. look at all the documentaries and hollywood movies. every last person is either white or arab looking. read Jeremiah 14 verse 2:
"Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, they are black unto the ground.

Lamentations 5 verse 10:
"our skin was black like an oven."

Job 30 verse 30:
"My skin is black upon me."

are those verses black replacement theology or biblical facts? what hollywood did was place the color of the real jews as white or arab looking, which they are not! thats replacement theology! for one white skin dont get black but pale. in the sun the skin dont get black but red. and its so funny how the new versions of the bible changed black to dark and rewrite some of the scriptures to give it a different meaning. thats replacement theology!


God isnt talking about the rest of the world in revelation but of his scattered sheep. if your captors enslaved you you will begin to learn the language and that language became your native tongue. read deuteronomy 28 and it will be revealed which race fit that biblical curse unto today.


nations: americas, caribbean, europe wherever his people are scattered
tribes and people: judah, benjamin, simeon, reuben, levi etc became african americans, jamaicans, haitians, etc
tongues: french, spanish, dutch, portuguese, english
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Mr. I tell ya , you're wrong. Lamentations is a quotation about Solomon. 1 Samuel is very clear regarding David saying he was RED HAIR with beautiful eyes. There are black Jews indeed and to believe Esau's (who was also red) brother was black is just an speculation of black people who are eager to "prove" everybody in the Bible was black. For example, Moses (says the Bible) married Zipora. SHE WAS BLACK or from Cush lineage, Jethro was Cainite. Yet, nowhere the Bible says Moses was black. But there you are and Muslims dressed in white in Canadian streets teaching that with beautiful pictures of black people with white features to make believe yourselves mainly, you're so pretty. Beauty is found in all races, black, brown,white, yellow, red.
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Please check the text in the proper context.
Job was ill, had ulcers in his body and became black; the other text is talking about black doors to the ground....
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That other text: Song of Solomon 1 verse 5, 6:
"I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me because I am black."

The one who speaks is a foreign woman. Solomon had these kind of women too.
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That saying "Jesus was a nazarite meaning that he did not shave the hair off His face and head. so naturally His beard and hair became dreadlocked and nappy. thats why in the bible described that His hair was like lambs wool. so when they crucified Christ they humiliated Him by cutting the beard and hair just like delilah did to samson to weaken him. thats how the roman soldiers got the crown of thorns over His head. you cannot t put thorns over nobodys head if it was dreadlocked. and Jesus was in his 30s so imagine how long and nappy his hair was."

Israel is not the whole Africa and all of them were not black. Black people prefer to ignore the evidence so in their paintings or web pages they show Egyptians who were black but failed to show blonde Ramses II or Seti I or Akenaton and other features. Usually they kept their natural blonde hair with henna. So, they HAVE to say Christ wore dreads!!!!! You can have waivy or curly hair and that doesn't mean you're a black fellow wearing dreadlocks like a Rasta! Christ was called Nazarene but maybe related to Nazareth which was so insignificant as many other cities not mentioned even today. Perhaps just with 35 houses in some villages. Nazir were the ones who did the vote of wearing long hair but they didn't drink wine nor ate grapes either (like Samson and prophet Samuel) and even Christ said he came drinking and eating different from John the Baptist. That was not just grape juice 'cos in his parables he was very explicit about fermented wine which has to be preserved in proper places. In the Passover he passed real wine. If he were a nazir, Judas WOULDN'T NEED TO BETRAY HIM WITH A KISS TO BE IDENTIFIED. He would've simply said "the tall black (or blonde) giant there with a thick mane rastabanan broccoli afro stoner, that's the one".