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Anonymous Coward User ID: 502215 United States 01/30/2009 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong. The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city. "There lives, at this time, in Judea, a man of singular virtue whose name is Jesus Christ, whom the barbarians esteem as a prophet, but his followers love and adore him as the offspring of the immortal God. He calls back the dead from the graves, and heals all sorts of diseases with a word or a touch. He is a tall man, and well shaped, of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair is of a color that can hardly be matched, the color of chestnut full ripe, falling in waves about his shoulders. His forehead high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with lovely red: his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard thick and of a color suitable to his hair, reaching below his chin. His eyes bright blue, clear and serene, look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of his body, most perfect and captivating, his hands and arms most delectable to behold. He rebukes with majesty, counsels with mildness, his whole address, whether in word or in deed, being eloquent and grave. No man has ever seen him laugh, yet his manner is exceedingly pleasant; but he has wept in the presence of men. He is temperate, modest and wise; a man, for his extraordinary beauty and divine perfections, surpassing the children of men in every sense." |
Inca=Chinitial (OP) User ID: 604186 Brazil 01/30/2009 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you know the English actor Robert Powell (Jesus of Nazareth) was to play Judas? Someone saw him with a wig on and did the sign of the cross 'cos the man looked more Christ than Christ himself!!!!! Yet, both Al Pacino & Dustin Hoffman (usually confused cos their features) were thought to be would-be "Jesus". Both of them are short and have big noses.... and as a matter of fact they look alike that Peruvian/Scottish actor Henry Ian Cusick who played Christ in The Gospel of John. Well, he's good looking though. It seems Italian director, Zefirelli, was inspired by Renassence images or Danish artist Carl Block (1834-1890) while Mel Gibson was inspired by Caravaggio. Jim Caviezel had his blue eyes altered to brown and wore a prosthetic nose. Basque-Jewish university student, Enrique Irazoqui, played Jesus in Pasolini's The Gospel of Matthew and had a strange eyebrow on his forehead as one appocrypha document mentioned regarding Jesus. Swedish Max Von Sidow played Jesus with a black short wig in The Greatest Story Ever Told and he said was horrified by American accent played by Jeffrey Hunter in King of Kings. But, Jews actually couldn't shave off their beards and it looks actors sometimes are cast at the last minute with a beard grown only a week or two. That's a huge mistake. Only nazir wore long hair and if that's the case, Judas didn't need to kiss Jesus to identify him, could've said "the tall one with a huhe mane, that's the man to arrest!". |
Inca=Chinitial (OP) User ID: 604186 Brazil 01/30/2009 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong. The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city. I read that long time ago but it seems it's not so real. That's the inspiration of a phrase quoted in the tv series "Jesus" where Gary Oldman playing Pilate says to Jesus "you have an interesting face". As a matter of fact Jews were forbidden to wear long hair (and apostle Paul says in Corinthians it's dishonorable for men to wear long hair and uses a Greek word related to rotten bodies as something very disgusting). Only the nazir who did the vote like Samson or Samuel could've used long hair or Essenes. But Christ attitude was very different from the ritualistic Essenes which is somehting people usually ignore just seeing some superficial "similarities". Essenes,for example, refrained from drinking wine. |
Inca=Chinitial (OP) User ID: 604186 Brazil 01/30/2009 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't have any prejuidice against blonde Christ but who knows? 1 Samuel says king David was RED HAIR, with beautiful eyes and Christ was from that lineage. We know Scottish people are the ones with more amount of red hair people and blue eyes.... |
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inca=chinitial User ID: 602933 Brazil 01/31/2009 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That Publius Lentelus document is a farse. Was a letter found in 1421 by a certain Giacomo Colonna and sent to Rome from Constantinople, it was Greek origin and later on translated to Latin during 13th & 14th Centuries and humanists had access to it: [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
inca=chinitial User ID: 602933 Brazil 01/31/2009 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, unfortunately that Scottish looking "Jesus" is just an arian wet dream image. By the way, letter "J" was invented by French humanist Pierre de la Ramée during 16th Century due to the tendency to twist the ending of letter "I" to the left. That letter was called "iota" and "J" was "jota" (as it is today in Portuguese and Spanish) and set in the alphabet right after the "I" (A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I, J...) If you check the Hebrew first 2 letters correspond to the same ones starting the name ISaiah. Hebrew ORAL language is just an invention created during 19th Century by Benyehuda and the name of the ones considered blasphemers were CHANGED in order to be wiped out from memory of men. On the other hand, Arab both oral and written language was never erased from memory and related to Hebrew and Aramaic. Arabs still remember that "Jesus" as ISA and there are reasons why in English both ISaiah and ISrael sound like EEsrael and EEsaiah while Egyptian ISis sounds like AYsees. |
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inca=chinitial User ID: 602933 Brazil 01/31/2009 07:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If anyone wants to make a film about real Christ , they should consider these things and just the way Luke "edited" things said by Christ in different circumstances, differently from Matthew account, we ought to edit Christ words to specific circumstances to nowadays because repeating the whole thing (and just using the 4 gospels instead of Thomas Gospel or the gospel of the 12 holy ones, etc) sounds so superficial, like fairy tales for kids. Christ real preaching was VEDANTA sort of thing. If anyone wants to make a film should contact me to help decoding important things...starting with the false translation of "faith", "repent", "kingdom of God" (within rather than among), bread of true substance rather than every day ordinary bread and so on. Abba and Amma, kingdom of god when both male and female are not more..... |
inca=chinitial User ID: 602933 Brazil 01/31/2009 07:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am saying Jews were almost dwarves compared with taller Romans and probably they looked like Al Pacino/Dustin Hoffman; I say the name was Isa sounding like EEsa rather than Jesus taken from Latin IESVS and Greek IESOYS; I'm saying all films use Arabian clothes usually rather than the robes worn by Jews with a schawl. I'm saying Christ never wore long hippy hair and got a permanent tan and the Christ usual image was invented in Middle Ages when Christians were fighting dark Jews and Arabs. I'm saying even his message is unknown by ignorant people including the ones -like you- who are unable to learn what they read. Dead people burying dead people, walking zombies. |
i tell ya User ID: 595776 Bahamas 01/31/2009 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong. Quoting: Inca=Chinitial 604186The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city. I read that long time ago but it seems it's not so real. That's the inspiration of a phrase quoted in the tv series "Jesus" where Gary Oldman playing Pilate says to Jesus "you have an interesting face". As a matter of fact Jews were forbidden to wear long hair (and apostle Paul says in Corinthians it's dishonorable for men to wear long hair and uses a Greek word related to rotten bodies as something very disgusting). Only the nazir who did the vote like Samson or Samuel could've used long hair or Essenes. But Christ attitude was very different from the ritualistic Essenes which is somehting people usually ignore just seeing some superficial "similarities". Essenes,for example, refrained from drinking wine. Jesus was a nazarite meaning that he did not shave the hair off His face and head. so naturally His beard and hair became dreadlocked and nappy. thats why in the bible described that His hair was like lambs wool. so when they crucified Christ they humiliated Him by cutting the beard and hair just like delilah did to samson to weaken him. thats how the roman soldiers got the crown of thorns over His head. you cannot t put thorns over nobodys head if it was dreadlocked. and Jesus was in his 30s so imagine how long and nappy his hair was. |
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i tell ya User ID: 595776 Bahamas 01/31/2009 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lamentations 4 verse 8: "Their visage is blacker than a coal." Lamentations 5 verse 10: "our skin was black like an oven." Job 30 verse 30: "My skin is black upon me." Jeremiah 14 verse 2: "Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, they are black unto the ground." Song of Solomon 1 verse 5, 6: "I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me because I am black." the first 4 verses described the jews going through a famine and drought. naturally when blacks are going through famine they get much darker. white people and others of a much lighter complexion such as arabs dont get black but pale. so the original jews would have looked like this during a famine [link to dieoff.org] |
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i tell ya User ID: 595776 Bahamas 01/31/2009 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | when blacks are going through famine they get much darker. Quoting: TVZ 578416Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm well....but on that note, if the bible described the jews as a black skinned people, never intermarried bcuz it was forbidden; will go back into slavery again by ships with iron around their necks to a far away country and never see israel again who the hell are those that are there now? |
i tell ya User ID: 595776 Bahamas 01/31/2009 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | when blacks are going through famine they get much darker. Quoting: i tell ya 595776Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm well....but on that note, if the bible described the jews as a black skinned people, never intermarried bcuz it was forbidden; will go back into slavery again by ships with iron around their necks to a far away country and never see israel again who the hell are those that are there now? also how can the jews go from all black people as described in the bible to an all white people all of a sudden? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 586203 United States 01/31/2009 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502215The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city. "There lives, at this time, in Judea, a man of singular virtue whose name is Jesus Christ, whom the barbarians esteem as a prophet, but his followers love and adore him as the offspring of the immortal God. He calls back the dead from the graves, and heals all sorts of diseases with a word or a touch. He is a tall man, and well shaped, of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair is of a color that can hardly be matched, the color of chestnut full ripe, falling in waves about his shoulders. His forehead high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with lovely red: his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard thick and of a color suitable to his hair, reaching below his chin. His eyes bright blue, clear and serene, look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of his body, most perfect and captivating, his hands and arms most delectable to behold. He rebukes with majesty, counsels with mildness, his whole address, whether in word or in deed, being eloquent and grave. No man has ever seen him laugh, yet his manner is exceedingly pleasant; but he has wept in the presence of men. He is temperate, modest and wise; a man, for his extraordinary beauty and divine perfections, surpassing the children of men in every sense." This is not "historical" because it refers to him as being named, "Jesus Christ" when "Christ" is merely a title. Find a historian who refers to a Jesus, son of Mary. I don't think you will. |
Ponzi User ID: 577550 United States 01/31/2009 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus had a big cock, they would've nailed that to the cross too....(j/k) Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave ..but I'm still right here, giving blood, keeping faith, and I'm still right here. If at first you dont succeed...just keep suckin' Even if you lock me up & throw away the key, my face can still breakout! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 550089 United States 01/31/2009 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | when blacks are going through famine they get much darker. Quoting: i tell ya 595776Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm well....but on that note, if the bible described the jews as a black skinned people, never intermarried bcuz it was forbidden; will go back into slavery again by ships with iron around their necks to a far away country and never see israel again who the hell are those that are there now? also how can the jews go from all black people as described in the bible to an all white people all of a sudden? So all Jews are black? Black replacement theology at its finest. What does it even matter? Rev 7:9 9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; |
i tell ya User ID: 595776 Bahamas 01/31/2009 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | when blacks are going through famine they get much darker. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 550089Really? I didn't know that. Hummmm well....but on that note, if the bible described the jews as a black skinned people, never intermarried bcuz it was forbidden; will go back into slavery again by ships with iron around their necks to a far away country and never see israel again who the hell are those that are there now? also how can the jews go from all black people as described in the bible to an all white people all of a sudden? So all Jews are black? Black replacement theology at its finest. What does it even matter? Rev 7:9 9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; as described in the bible, YES! and it aint black replacement theology. replacement theology began when the white man began to hide the truth from the original jews and put a fake replacement there. look at all the documentaries and hollywood movies. every last person is either white or arab looking. read Jeremiah 14 verse 2: "Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, they are black unto the ground. Lamentations 5 verse 10: "our skin was black like an oven." Job 30 verse 30: "My skin is black upon me." are those verses black replacement theology or biblical facts? what hollywood did was place the color of the real jews as white or arab looking, which they are not! thats replacement theology! for one white skin dont get black but pale. in the sun the skin dont get black but red. and its so funny how the new versions of the bible changed black to dark and rewrite some of the scriptures to give it a different meaning. thats replacement theology! God isnt talking about the rest of the world in revelation but of his scattered sheep. if your captors enslaved you you will begin to learn the language and that language became your native tongue. read deuteronomy 28 and it will be revealed which race fit that biblical curse unto today. nations: americas, caribbean, europe wherever his people are scattered tribes and people: judah, benjamin, simeon, reuben, levi etc became african americans, jamaicans, haitians, etc tongues: french, spanish, dutch, portuguese, english |
inca=chinitial User ID: 601311 Brazil 02/02/2009 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mr. I tell ya , you're wrong. Lamentations is a quotation about Solomon. 1 Samuel is very clear regarding David saying he was RED HAIR with beautiful eyes. There are black Jews indeed and to believe Esau's (who was also red) brother was black is just an speculation of black people who are eager to "prove" everybody in the Bible was black. For example, Moses (says the Bible) married Zipora. SHE WAS BLACK or from Cush lineage, Jethro was Cainite. Yet, nowhere the Bible says Moses was black. But there you are and Muslims dressed in white in Canadian streets teaching that with beautiful pictures of black people with white features to make believe yourselves mainly, you're so pretty. Beauty is found in all races, black, brown,white, yellow, red. |
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inca=chinitial User ID: 601311 Brazil 02/02/2009 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That other text: Song of Solomon 1 verse 5, 6: "I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me because I am black." The one who speaks is a foreign woman. Solomon had these kind of women too. |
Inca=Chinitial User ID: 606775 Brazil 02/03/2009 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That saying "Jesus was a nazarite meaning that he did not shave the hair off His face and head. so naturally His beard and hair became dreadlocked and nappy. thats why in the bible described that His hair was like lambs wool. so when they crucified Christ they humiliated Him by cutting the beard and hair just like delilah did to samson to weaken him. thats how the roman soldiers got the crown of thorns over His head. you cannot t put thorns over nobodys head if it was dreadlocked. and Jesus was in his 30s so imagine how long and nappy his hair was." Israel is not the whole Africa and all of them were not black. Black people prefer to ignore the evidence so in their paintings or web pages they show Egyptians who were black but failed to show blonde Ramses II or Seti I or Akenaton and other features. Usually they kept their natural blonde hair with henna. So, they HAVE to say Christ wore dreads!!!!! You can have waivy or curly hair and that doesn't mean you're a black fellow wearing dreadlocks like a Rasta! Christ was called Nazarene but maybe related to Nazareth which was so insignificant as many other cities not mentioned even today. Perhaps just with 35 houses in some villages. Nazir were the ones who did the vote of wearing long hair but they didn't drink wine nor ate grapes either (like Samson and prophet Samuel) and even Christ said he came drinking and eating different from John the Baptist. That was not just grape juice 'cos in his parables he was very explicit about fermented wine which has to be preserved in proper places. In the Passover he passed real wine. If he were a nazir, Judas WOULDN'T NEED TO BETRAY HIM WITH A KISS TO BE IDENTIFIED. He would've simply said "the tall black (or blonde) giant there with a thick mane , that's the one". |