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Google Sky:
13h 47m 55.0s -8° 29' 47.3"
www.google.com/sky/

Where can I purchase an infrared telescope for backyard use?
You can't. Most infrared light from celestial sources is absorbed by the Earth's atmosphere. Only a narrow window of near-infrared radiation (at wavelengths less than about 4 microns) reaches the Earth. Observations at these wavelengths requires that the infrared camera be cooled to hundreds of degrees below zero using a cryogen (such as liquid helium) and requires special solid-state infrared detectors (costing tens of thousands of dollars). Hence, it is impractical to consider a true infrared telescope for personal use.
[link to coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu]

Bummer.

Z

A number of people are saying that the Sun was in Virgo during the tracking which is what accounts for this blacked out square and what accounts for changes in the locations of the blacked out areas in direct correlation to the location of the Sun in the sky. Apparently your coordinates for the "Virgo anomaly" area are now visible using MS Telescope.

I can't link to the main discussion of this because GLP will ban my IP for linking to or mentioning other conspiracy and UFO sites.

But here's a link that discusses this:

[link to yowcrooks.wordpress.com]


Assuming you do not accept this explanation, is your position that Nibiru is approaching from the constellation Virgo?

And I'll admit right now that at this point I don't know the answer for sure. I remember seeing one of these "missing panels" debunked on here some months back but I forget the details.

But whatever the answer is the bottom line is for the OP's scenario to be correct you'd have to say that thousands (probably tens of thousaands) of students and educated professionals in academia, government and the private sector all over the world all missed an extremely crude attempt at censorship of Google Sky but a handful of internet crank cultists managed to figure it out. OR--

Or that that these same thousands all over the world are in on the conspiracy which is otherwise so ineffectual that TPTB sent out the map with only HALF of Nibiru concealed.

But the OP's a bright guy. He'll probably see the light in the end. :)

14h 15m 31.0s 19"11'12"

Google Sky

Looks to me like there are a few data errors in Google Sky...

[link to www.google.com]

I knew that mentioning anything to do with Velikovsky would provoke the usual knee jerk response. If you don't like the message shoot the messenger.
I would be the first to agree that Velikovsky was wrong with MANY of his theories, especially the one regarding Venus. However it is obvious from his (and others) research that legends of great catastrophe in the distant past are found among peoples from all around the world, NOT just one or two civilisations as you claimed.

"I can tell you that local volcanic
eruptions can account for most of those mythological stories."

You can tell me whatever you like but unless you can PROVE it it's just meaningless babble.

This is coming from someone who believes in planet x?

The irony meter is completely busted!

Yes, there are many mythological accounts of catastrophes. But to be fair to Dr. Postman I believe he was at least in part referring to recorded history. If we're talking Velikovsky, for example, I believe he wrote about major crustal displacement happening in the seventh or eighth century BCE. That would be during a time period where written historical records exist for a number of civilizations. The "collective amnesia" theory doesn't really sound like a plausible rationalization of that, imho.

I was reading this thread thinking "man does the OP think a brown dwarf in our solar system could ONLY be seen by an infrared telescope; nah he cant be THAT dumb"

Looks like I was proved wrong.

It is not ONLY visable in the infrared spectrum. It is capable of reflecting sunlight like any other know object. If it was as close as OP says (within uranus's orbit), it could be resolved opticaly and viewed. Hell even sedna which is much further out and half the size of the moon has been viewed with hubble and other telescopes. We can "see" these objects even they they emit no light at all.

Are you saying OP that it is impossible to see uranus, neptune, pluto, sedna etc also, without ultra special telescopes.

To take what your saying to its logical conclusion OP, if this brown dwarf was as close as the moon where it would take up half the sky we still couldnt see it because all the infrared bounces of our atmosphere, and we cant see it in the visual light range because it doesnt reflect light?!

A brown dwarf in another system is a different story and yes would require infrared telescopes, but most likely couldnt be seen even then. But of course any gas giant (slightly smaller mass wise) cant be "seen" directly in another system only thier presence inferred by stars wobbles or dimming etc.

oh yeah and this case was solved already

the "anomoly" lies virtually right on the ecliptic (-8 degrees). This SCREAMS to you that it is a normal planet. Most likely venus which lies at about this angle from the ecliptic plane.
It's also why it only appears in the IRIS catalogue, but when you switch to SFD 100 micron it vanishes - it's a planet moving along the line of the ecliptic

None of the 3 sites include planets (obviously since they move position in the sky). when the data was collected the planets would have gotton in the way and need to be blocked out.

Further to this if you look at when the data was collected (1983) and use some astronomy program you can see that venus was located in this part of the sky for a month or so.


This has been stated before and you didnt even reply to it. Most likely because you cant or dont understand the whole co-ordinate ecliptic thing.

I didn't say it WAS within Uranus's orbit. I said it WOULD HAVE TO BE within Uranus's orbit to reach the asteroid belt by Dec 2012.

Zoom out all the way using google sky. The anomaly takes up a LARGE chunk of the sky. It's not Venus.

The only other legitimate explanation I've seen in this thread is that it's the sun. However, ISO's mission was for a full 10 months so they could have EASILY waited a month until the sun moved out of Virgo.

Ok well lets be generous and say it was as far out as sedna (thats 88 AU or more than four times further than uranus.) That gives it plenty more time to appear.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

As you can see in the link sedna can be viewed with an optical telescope. Now sedna is half thats HALF the size of our moon. An object the size of jupiter would be much much easier to spot even at that vast distance wether it was emiting any light or not. The question of wether it emits light be it in the infrared or not is simply irrelevent for objects this close which can be seen with reflected sunlight.

well then you are saying that this object takes up a larger part of the sky than venus. Now venus is obviously noticalbe in the night sky. SO you are saying this object should appear larger than venus in the night sky so should be incredibly obvious to anyone who glances up. (unless you still claim it to be invisible)

And yet its not... hmm could it be your confused? Do you ever think before you speak?

Yes, that explains why Sedna has been on all maps of the solar system since the invention of the telescope.



Sedna is just so damn easy to see with an optical telecope.




Bullshit pulled out your ass.

I thought you would say this, but a brown dwarf would be thousands of times larger and so would be easier to spot. Hell pluto is viewed by amatures all the time albeit slightly closer.


The concept that "bigger things are easier to see than smaller things when further away" is absolutly not BS pulled out of my arse. I promise you it really really isnt.

OP fails to respond after realizing how stupid they have been all along. YAY.

Brown dwarfs are the same size as Jupiter.

Neptune is 1/3 the size of Jupiter but wasn't discovered until 1846 (they had telescopes since 1608). They also discovered Neptune using math, not by optical observation.
[link to coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu]

Nancy, your writing style is showing.......



Along with your concepts and excuses.....


Be that as it may, all of the AC's answers come from ZT.

FAIL!

1846 eh?
what year is it now?

telescopes have improved a lot since then as we can make larger mirrors with greater precision.
anway it was shortly seen by telescope tight where it was predicted to be.

Funny thing that, that they could predict where it could be by looking at other planets orbits. Strange how there is no such prediction made of a massive 70x jupiter mass planet hurtling through the solar system every 3600 years. In fact all planets orbit just as they should without this imaginary planet.
Stop debunking yourself fucktard

A Brown Dwarf is a star that failed to ignite, (in a nutshell) while they can be the size of Jupiter they can also be larger.

there minimum mass is around 70x jupiter.
Interestingly whether they have a mass 70x or 200x that of jupiter thier size or radius tends to remain the same as jupiters so they are more dense

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By the end of the 2nd millennium BC, the Zhou Dynasty (周朝) began to emerge in the Yellow River valley, overrunning the Shang. The Zhou appeared to have begun their rule under a semi-feudal system. The ruler of the Zhou, King Wu, with the assistance of his uncle, the Duke of Zhou, as regent managed to defeat the Shang at the Battle of Muye. The king of Zhou at this time invoked the concept of the Mandate of Heaven to legitimize his rule, a concept that would be influential for almost every successive dynasty. The Zhou initially moved their capital west to an area near modern Xi'an, near the Yellow River, but they would preside over a series of expansions into the Yangtze River valley. This would be the first of many population migrations from north to south in Chinese history.
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There is no "pole shift" type catastrophe in ancient Chinese history. The Chinese are considered the better keepers of written history in the region.

sure, there isn't

there's no sun in the sky either

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brown dwarf

In astronomy, object less massive than a star but denser than a planet. Brown dwarfs do not have enough mass to ignite nuclear reactions at their centres, but shine by heat released during their contraction from a gas cloud. Groups of brown dwarfs have been discovered, and some astronomers believe that vast numbers of them exist throughout the Galaxy.

The first brown dwarf to be positively identified was Gliese 229B (GI229B), in the constellation Lepus, by US astronomers using images from the Hubble Space Telescope. It is about 50 times as massive as Jupiter but emits only 1% of the radiation of the smallest known star and has a surface temperature of 650°C/1,200°F. Brown dwarfs cannot exist with a mass of greater than 80 times that of Jupiter.
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And....

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Astronomers using near-infrared and infrared instruments at the Canada France Hawaii and Gemini North telescopes and the European Southern Observatory in Chile have discovered a Y-class dwarf, bringing this strange failed star from theory and into reality. What’s more, it’s in our cosmic neighbourhood, only 40 light-years from Earth. This brown dwarf has been unglamorously named “CFBDS0059″, but I would have called it something like “The Dark Star” or “The Death Star”, as it is so dim and its surface temperature is approximately the same as the surface temperature of the planet Mercury (but much cooler than the surface temperature of Venus). As it is so cool, it isn’t very luminescent and only radiates in the near-infrared wavelengths (it’s not even as hot as a standard electric stove element), requiring specialist equipment to detect it. As it turns out, CFBDS0059 is small, only 15-30 times the mass of Jupiter, fulfilling the lower mass limit of brown dwarf stars and will be known as the first Y-class dwarf to be observed.
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And....

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Relative sizes and effective surface temperatures of two recently discovered brown dwarfs -- Teide 1 and Gliese 229B -- compared to a yellow-dwarf star (our sun), a red dwarf (Gliese 229A) and the planet Jupiter reveal the transitional qualities of these objects. Brown dwarfs lack sufficient mass (about 80 Jupiters) to ignite the fusion of hydrogen in their cores, and thus never become true stars. The smallest true stars (red dwarfs) may have cool atmospheric temperatures (less than 4,0 00 degrees Kelvin (K)), making it difficult for astronomers to distinguish them from brown dwarfs. Giant planets (such as Jupiter) may be much less massive than brown dwarfs, but are about the same diameter and may contain many of the same molecules in th eir atmospheres. The challenge for astronomers searching for brown dwarfs is to distinguish between these objects at interstellar distances.
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images here.

[link to astro.berkeley.edu]

fair play they are from aout 13-90 jupiter masses but they do all have a similar radius , just become progressivley more dense

Is every planetary orbit perfectly circular?

How the fuck would you even know what the orbits looked like BEFORE something like this came through? After it past, the orbits of the planets would become slightly irregular (like they are now).

[link to www.darkstar1.co.uk]

u just dont get it do you?

your the one who said they could predict the existance of neptune (and they did) just by observing the orbits of the other planets. This shows there is a good understanding of orbital dynamics. oh well never mind. Keep twisting and turning and spinning, just like nancy


You can keep worrying about make believe stuff, i've got better things to do.

Why dont you try and get an education and maybe a better job. (yes its painfully clear that you have no education and therefore a shit job)