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Was Hitler a homo? Nazism's best-kept secret?

 
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i was just reading this and found it really bizarre .....

i never heard this claim before ....




Was Hitler's homosexuality Nazism's best-kept secret?


Insight on the News , Feb 25, 2002 by Nathaniel S. Lehrman

Adolf Hitler's homosexuality has been demonstrated beyond question by German historian Lothar Machtan's massively researched new book, The Hidden Hitler, which shows homosexuality's central role in Hitler's personal life.

But the crucial role within the Nazi movement of the most vicious and lawless types of homosexuality, which Machtan also shows, is even more important than Hitler's personal preference. In 1933, six months after Hitler took power, the distinguished Jewish author Ludwig Lewisohn described what Machtan confirms, that "the entire [Nazi] movement is in fact and by certain aspects of its avowed ideology drenched through and through with homoerotic feeling and practice." And those homosexual currents inextricably were connected with vicious German militarism long before the Nazis.

Hitler quit school at age 16 and in 19 [Text unreadable in original source] moved to Vienna, where he twice took and failed the Art Academy's entrance examination. Shortly after his move, August Kubizek, a young man from his hometown, joined him and they lived together for four months. Intensely jealous, Hitler wrote Kubizek, "I cannot endure it when you consort and converse with other young people."

Hitler's adolescent move to sexually liberated Vienna -- so new to him and so different from home -- and his open choice there of homosexuality calls to mind the choice involved in what Charles Socarides calls America's "Thanksgiving Day Massacre." His book, Homosexuality: A Freedom Too Far, describes that "massacre" as when a college freshman, home for the first time after months at a sexually liberated college, joyfully informs his startled parents, "Hey Mom, hey Dad! Be thankful! I have something to tell you. I'm gay!"

For the next several years, Hitler drifted aimlessly. Despite immense Nazi efforts to erase as much of his past as possible (by destroying his massive police records, for example) Machtan dug out clear evidence of Hitler's homosexual activities during this period, such as his five months at a men's hostel known as "a hub of homosexual activity." He formed close attachments to several men, but throughout his life was uninterested in relationships with women.

In May 1913, he moved with another young man to Munich (said to be "a regular El Dorado for homosexuals") and, in September 1914, joined the Bavarian army. He spent the war years as a behind-the-lines messenger, enjoying a long and active sexual relationship with another runner, Ernst Schmidt. At war's end, Hitler returned to Munich and more homosexual activities.

He met at that time Capt. Ernst Roehm, a well-connected army officer who soon offered him his first job -- as a political spy for the army within a newly organized workers' party. Hitler's political rise from that point was "meteoric," Machtan writes. Politically "an unknown quantity" when he joined the party in 1919, three years later he had become an important political influence -- "the repository of the deutsch folkisch [roughly German ultranationalist] movement's hopes."

Hitler's rise largely was due to the two brilliant homosexuals who mentored and tutored him: Roehm, a notorious pederast and a contemporary, and Dietrich Eckart, 21 years his senior. Roehm, a career staff officer during the war, had access to both secret army funds and to military and right-wing groups such as the ultranationalist, anti-Semitic and homoerotic Freikorps -- the fiercely anticommunist terrorist squads that sprang up, especially in eastern Germany, in response to the political chaos of the early Weimar Republic. Eckart was a fiercely anti-Semitic journalist and playwright who taught Hitler political tactics and introduced him to Munich and Berlin society, as well as to other wealthy people throughout the country.

In April 1923 Hitler was convicted of treason for his nearly successful coup against the Bavarian government. Sentenced to five years in prison, he was released after nine months. He then began collecting the lawbreakers, sexual and other, who would form the heart of his new Nazi Party. Machtan shows that the party was a sexual swamp from its very beginning, an evil conspiracy in which members held sexual or other criminal secrets over one another's heads. Indeed, Machtan suggests that Hitler's fear that Roehm and other openly homosexual Nazis would "out" him and his associates was a motive for his later murder of Roehm.

The Nazi Party, whose terrorism and conspiracy had won it a maximum of 37 percent of the popular vote, took power in January 1933. In June 1934 Hitler had Roehm -- his mentor, one-time closest friend and head of his 3 million-man storm-trooper organization (S.A.) -- murdered, along with many of Roehm's homosexual party loyalists and hundreds of nonhomosexual opponents. These peremptory murders destroyed the rule of law in Germany and opened the door for the Holocaust's unprecedented brutalities.

The massacre, and the tighter laws against homosexuality that followed, are used falsely today, especially by some Holocaust-remembrance enterprises, to show that the Nazis actively opposed it and that they persecuted homosexuals just as they did Jews, only to a lesser extent. In a 1931 expose of the Nazi Party, two years before it took power, the Munich Post attacked "the disgusting hypocrisy that the party demonstrates -- outward moral indignation while inside its own ranks the most shameless practices prevail," and said that "every knowledgeable person knows that inside the Hitler party the most flagrant whorishness contemplated by paragraph 175 (defining homosexuality as a criminal offense) is widespread." Machtan confirms that Nazi hypocrisy, noting how "homosexuality was simultaneously proscribed and protected: Hitler had tailored it to his political and personal requirements."


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He was very of the flesh and the physical of everything. Those types are usually gay. He didnt believe in a soul and spirit.


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Just because he had gay sex doesn't mean he is homosexual.

A lot of people in power or with lots of money or time will get bored of regular straight sex and start trying other things.

This is where the deviant nature of homosexuality is - when straight people do it for fun.

Gays are wired that way and are seeking long term loving relationships with a person of the same gender. It is often confused with the homosexuality condemned by the bible- that being 'straight' people doing homosexual sex just for fun or in many cases through history as a 'show of power' over others.

Male raping (as in what the Sodomites wanted to do to the visitors) was common practice.

By the way the Nazi Party operated homosexual sex was most likely just lust (no love) and was a thing used to have power over others.

There are 'rumors' that Nazi Soldiers/SS and the like would 'often' rape males (anal and oral forced sex) as a form of humiliation and torture.

Hitler was most likely bisexual by other accounts of who he dated and dealt with (women, prostitutes) most likely a 'bored' man looking for new sex acts to make it interesting.
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Hermann Goering was practically a transvestite, but he liked women as far as sex went.
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There have been a number of extremely anti-gay authors (usuallly affiliated with the Christian right wing, you know, those happy folks who obsess on death and doom all the time), who have tried to connect homosexuality to the Third Reich, even though Hitler personally ordered the persecution and death (in concentration camps) of ALL known gay men, including members of his own staff! Nazism was rabid in its hatred of gay men. If a party member was discovered to be gay, they were sent to a camp - no exemption was made.

Sorry - if you have a hateful need to trash gay people, you need to do better than this. Perhaps you could claim that every single person in history that has commited any sort of crime was secretly a homo! Yeah, that should be a logical point to argue in a new 450 page book!
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Just because he had gay sex doesn't mean he is homosexual.


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This thread is...gay
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Yep, him and Himmler did the nasty almost every day...Of course, they are German..so it's not really a surprise.

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It is not hateful, Hitlers used the gays in the SA or Brown Shirts, and killed the gay leader after Crystal Night. Apparently he had the goods on Adolph.
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Just because he had gay sex doesn't mean he is homosexual.

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seems that he did have several long and enduring homosexual relationships. if he had been alive today perhaps he may have even married one of his male partners.

"enjoying a long and active sexual relationship with another runner, Ernst Schmidt"
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Hitler was guilty of uncontrollable farting. I'm not joking. People who had dinner with him found it a pretty revolting experience, since his farts were very pungent.

Now, farts are caused by feces material in the large intestine that has escaped being processed by the small intestine. There is bacteria in the large intestine that processes the waste material before it finally leaves the body. If Hitler were gay, then I doubt he would have had uncontrollable farting, since anal sex has a way of purging a guy,i.e., keeping him regular so that his feces do not have this time to ferment and stink up the room with escaped gas. Hitler was such a tight assed vicious personality that it is difficult to imagine him really having sex with anyone, except maybe a sheep. Eva was his main squeeze, but she was probably predominantly an ornament. How "romantic" that they died together in a hole in the ground.
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Just because he had gay sex doesn't mean he is homosexual.




If you are not homosexual then your dick won't get hard for another man.
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Not true! It depends on how fetish oriented a man is. If he is really turned on sexually by inflicting pain (it is called a sadist), the such a man would get erect just savoring the infliction of pain via forced anal intercourse or forcing another man to service him orally. Power and Pain can be very erotic to some sick man and women, or there wouldn't be an S&M community.
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Why do men enjoy raping women? Is it purely sexual? Most literature I've read said it is a desire to hurt women and debase them, a power trip, in other words. It is an act of violence, not sex per se.
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I have always wondered if he was raped by a Jew when he was living in the boarding house, and contracted a disease from the encounter.
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There have been a number of extremely anti-gay authors (usuallly affiliated with the Christian right wing, you know, those happy folks who obsess on death and doom all the time), who have tried to connect homosexuality to the Third Reich, even though Hitler personally ordered the persecution and death (in concentration camps) of ALL known gay men, including members of his own staff! Nazism was rabid in its hatred of gay men. If a party member was discovered to be gay, they were sent to a camp - no exemption was made.

Sorry - if you have a hateful need to trash gay people, you need to do better than this. Perhaps you could claim that every single person in history that has commited any sort of crime was secretly a homo! Yeah, that should be a logical point to argue in a new 450 page book!
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these were not my claims , see author of article who reviews the book. his claims not mine. i said i found it bizarre and that i had not previously heard this claim. i have seen many othe bizarre claims, however. little is known of his private life. a political leader aiding and abetting the persecution of homosexuals whilst being one himself has been identified in US political life as well.

Nathaniel S. Lehrman

Adolf Hitler's homosexuality has been demonstrated beyond question by German historian Lothar Machtan's massively researched new book, The Hidden Hitler, which shows homosexuality's central role in Hitler's personal life.
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Now you're really going to upset Limbaugh.
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I have always wondered if he was raped by a Jew when he was living in the boarding house, and contracted a disease from the encounter.
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Untreated VD would eventually lead to madness, so it is an interesting theory. I do not think there was any cure for VD back then before antibiotics.

I will give one thing to the Nazi's: their uniforms were very gay - the officers especially: high black boots, tight pants, coats with broad shoulders, very sexy biker caps. Some of these fashions were used purposely in the STAR WARS films to invoke subconscious connections with the Nazi regime.
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hitler was deifnitely a fked up dude...even sexually..


from the in depth info ive read about him...supposedly he would cum in his own pants, when giving a speech...


he had sexually transmitted diseases...


and what most people dont know, is his bloodlines trace back to jewish ancestors...this is supposedly one big reason he tryed to keep all personal information about him and his family out of sight of others...

can you imagine him being revealed as having jewish ethniticity back then, and doing the things he did ?


also, another mass murder of history is claimed to have jewish blood ties...and he was even worse then hitler..

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Here's Rush just after receiving the news. [link to www.youtube.com]
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I thought homosexuals were sent to concentration camps?

Why the hypocrisy?
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There have been a number of extremely anti-gay authors (usuallly affiliated with the Christian right wing, you know, those happy folks who obsess on death and doom all the time), who have tried to connect homosexuality to the Third Reich, even though Hitler personally ordered the persecution and death (in concentration camps) of ALL known gay men, including members of his own staff! Nazism was rabid in its hatred of gay men. If a party member was discovered to be gay, they were sent to a camp - no exemption was made.

Sorry - if you have a hateful need to trash gay people, you need to do better than this. Perhaps you could claim that every single person in history that has commited any sort of crime was secretly a homo! Yeah, that should be a logical point to argue in a new 450 page book!



these were not my claims , see author of article who reviews the book. his claims not mine. i said i found it bizarre and that i had not previously heard this claim. i have seen many othe bizarre claims, however. little is known of his private life. a political leader aiding and abetting the persecution of homosexuals whilst being one himself has been identified in US political life as well.

Nathaniel S. Lehrman

Adolf Hitler's homosexuality has been demonstrated beyond question by German historian Lothar Machtan's massively researched new book, The Hidden Hitler, which shows homosexuality's central role in Hitler's personal life.
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My point was that if you have a particular political ax to grind, you can come up with anything, especially concerning people who are all long dead. I'm sure if some author had a vested interest in doing so, he could prove "categorically" that most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were gay, and often met for clandestine sexual orgies.

My point is that the power of the word can be used in whatever way suits the agenda of the author. So be aware of this when you read just about anything.
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i agree with some of the replies that stated that having man on man sex is not necessarily homsexual e.g. having a bitch wife in jail, making him wear dresses and makeup etc.
or a sadist that humiliates another man sexually.

but, i would also point out that hitler was very fussy in his person, adored his pet dogs, was rabidly anti smoker, vegetarian, always entertained the children of party members and had his little fraulein friend around.


for all i know he was a big fan of gladiator movies ....
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hitler was deifnitely a fked up dude...even sexually..


from the in depth info ive read about him...supposedly he would cum in his own pants, when giving a speech...


he had sexually transmitted diseases...


and what most people dont know, is his bloodlines trace back to jewish ancestors...this is supposedly one big reason he tryed to keep all personal information about him and his family out of sight of others...

can you imagine him being revealed as having jewish ethniticity back then, and doing the things he did ?


also, another mass murder of history is claimed to have jewish blood ties...and he was even worse then hitler..

STALIN
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that really is one of the most bizarre claims yet. who checked his pants?


LOL
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I thought homosexuals were sent to concentration camps?

Why the hypocrisy?
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Several theories:

1. The Nazi's loathed themselves for having gay desires, but succumbed to them. However, they had guilt about it and tried to get rid of the guilt by casting it upon other civilian gay men by having them killed.
2. The Nazi's gay sex was not about love, but was a S&M fetish, a lust for cruelty, power and subjugation of others. So the "top" would humiliate the "bottom" and both would enjoy the respective "slave/master" roles. Yet these same Nazi's hated the idea of true love between 2 men, because it showed them how depraved they were. So gay men in Germany were killed because such men more likely wanted what straight people want: love and companionship.
3. Nazi's were a very reactionary cruel ideology based group. Their beliefs about the roles of men and women were very old fashioned. Women in Germany could not even wear pants. It was illegal! A woman's place was literally in the kitchen and bearing aryan children. A man was to be macho and tough without sensitivity. Love was seen as weakness. Consequently, gayness was just too unconventional for these control freaks. You usually find, the more totalitarian a government, the more they persecute gay people.
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hitler was deifnitely a fked up dude...even sexually..


from the in depth info ive read about him...supposedly he would cum in his own pants, when giving a speech...


he had sexually transmitted diseases...


and what most people dont know, is his bloodlines trace back to jewish ancestors...this is supposedly one big reason he tryed to keep all personal information about him and his family out of sight of others...

can you imagine him being revealed as having jewish ethniticity back then, and doing the things he did ?


also, another mass murder of history is claimed to have jewish blood ties...and he was even worse then hitler..

STALIN



that really is one of the most bizarre claims yet. who checked his pants?


LOL
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thats a great question...but I actually think hitler himself admitted it in a diary that was found after his death.
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hitler was deifnitely a fked up dude...even sexually..


from the in depth info ive read about him...supposedly he would cum in his own pants, when giving a speech...


he had sexually transmitted diseases...


and what most people dont know, is his bloodlines trace back to jewish ancestors...this is supposedly one big reason he tryed to keep all personal information about him and his family out of sight of others...

can you imagine him being revealed as having jewish ethniticity back then, and doing the things he did ?


also, another mass murder of history is claimed to have jewish blood ties...and he was even worse then hitler..

STALIN



that really is one of the most bizarre claims yet. who checked his pants?


LOL



thats a great question...but I actually think hitler himself admitted it in a diary that was found after his death.
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Just like Monica Lewenski's blue dress! History repeats itself? Seriously, I wonder if Hitler had a servant nearby who always had a few fresh pair of pants in case he had an "accident". This used to happen to me when I entered puberty for a short time. It was called a wet dream, and happens usually to teenage boys when they are having an erotic dream. Actually, some of the best sex of my life was when.....well, never mind! cool2
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I have always wondered if he was raped by a Jew when he was living in the boarding house, and contracted a disease from the encounter.
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I was under the impression that he had a plethora of Gay Jewish lovers...it was on ther History channel or something. Hitler was supposed to be Jewish, and was in denial of it..along with his Gay proclivities.

There reportedly were the dresses and lingerie he wore in a museum in Germany, but J. Edgar Hoover had them taken so he could wear them for his Republican Gay Lovers.

It's a well know fact that the Republicans represent the Gay community and their Sexual desires.


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I have always wondered if he was raped by a Jew when he was living in the boarding house, and contracted a disease from the encounter.


Untreated VD would eventually lead to madness, so it is an interesting theory. I do not think there was any cure for VD back then before antibiotics.

I will give one thing to the Nazi's: their uniforms were very gay - the officers especially: high black boots, tight pants, coats with broad shoulders, very sexy biker caps. Some of these fashions were used purposely in the STAR WARS films to invoke subconscious connections with the Nazi regime.
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Ernst Rohm spring to mind when I think of gay Nazis. But many historians have concluded that whiel Hitler tolerated characters like this, it was out of bounds with his ideology.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


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"I will give one thing to the Nazi's: their uniforms were very gay - the officers especially: high black boots, tight pants, coats with broad shoulders, very sexy biker caps. Some of these fashions were used purposely in the STAR WARS films to invoke subconscious connections with the Nazi regime."

Come on they were blatant connections, nothing subconscious about it. Think of who was funding the films? Think of who has controlled and financed the flow of information (books, magazines, movies, TV) since the war.

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