!!! HOW DID WE GET THE IDEA OF THE PRE TRIB RAPTURE ??? | |
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BadMoonRising User ID: 727864 United Kingdom 01/25/2010 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who the hell is WE? keep me well out of your retarded religious crap. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 873487 United States 01/25/2010 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | propaganda pushers, fear mongers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 873970I am sorry you are afraid. Put your trust in Jesus Christ while you still have breath in your body. I'm not afriad, the church (Religion) is a propaganda pushing machine. They don't care for the well being of human-kind. It's all about the $$$$$$$ I've know Christ the King before I was born. |
mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 01/25/2010 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the correct term is not rapture it is resurrection. Get it right or be wrong. See how easy that works? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 309533Actually the Latin term rapture is translated form the Greek harpazo which means catch up,catch away For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up(harpazo) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848712 Canada 01/25/2010 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | propaganda pushers, fear mongers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 873970I am sorry you are afraid. Put your trust in Jesus Christ while you still have breath in your body. I'd be VERY careful if I were you!! Here's a message from The Allies of Humanity taken from: [link to www.alliesofhumanity.org] It is our understanding that the true Jesus will not return to the world, for he is working in concert with the Unseen Ones and serves humanity and other races as well. The one who will come claiming his name will come from the Greater Community. He will be one who is born and bred for this purpose by the collectives that are in the world today. He will appear human and will have significant abilities compared to what you can accomplish at this moment. He will seem completely altruistic. He will be able to perform acts that will engender either fear or great reverence. He will be able to project images of angels, demons or whatever his superiors wish to expose you to. He will seem to have spiritual powers. Yet he will come from the Greater Community, and he will be part of the collective. And he will engender allegiance to follow him. Eventually, for those who cannot follow him, he will encourage their alienation or their destruction. The visitors do not care how many of your people are destroyed so long as they have a primary allegiance amongst the majority. Therefore, the visitors will focus on those fundamental ideas that give them this authority and influence. A Second Coming, then, is being prepared by your visitors. The evidence of this, we understand, is already in the world. People do not realize the presence of the visitors or the nature of reality in the Greater Community, and so they will naturally accept their prior beliefs without question, feeling that the time has come for the great return of their Savior and their Teacher. But he who will come will not come from the heavenly host, he will not represent Knowledge or the Unseen Ones, and he will not represent the Creator or the Creator’s will. We have seen this plan in formulation in the world. We have also seen similar plans carried out in other worlds. |
mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 01/25/2010 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How did anyone get the idea that there is ANY rapture?? Quoting: Full CircleIts taught by Christ & Paul And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other Matthew 24 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4 Notice both teach that a trumpet precedes this event Also in 2 Thessalonians 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 01/25/2010 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How did anyone get the idea that there is ANY rapture?? Quoting: mathetesIts taught by Christ & Paul And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other Matthew 24 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4 Notice both teach that a trumpet precedes this event Also in 2 Thessalonians 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, And of course the beatuful description found in 1 Corinthians 15 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 873970 United States 01/25/2010 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How did anyone get the idea that there is ANY rapture?? Quoting: mathetesIts taught by Christ & Paul And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other Matthew 24 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4 Notice both teach that a trumpet precedes this event Also in 2 Thessalonians 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, And of course the beatuful description found in 1 Corinthians 15 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Dear Brother in Christ, please comment on this passage. I am convinced the candle sticks are two churches and the olive trees are two CHRISTIAN nations. These nations have lost their zeal though. Besides two men with super powers would be worshiped...even by christians! Lord bless you brother |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 812857 United States 01/25/2010 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Margret McDonald DID indeed start this in 1830, she even stated that the 'vision' she had felt 'evil' to her, it was the preachers that ran with it and began to teach it. The word is not even in the Bible, and there IS NO RAPTURE. In Ephesians we are told to put on the whole Armour of God to STAND AGAINST the devil. No one is 'flying' away. Ezekiel 13:20 states (God speaking), I am AGAINST those that teach my children to fly to save their souls, I will tear them from their arms and let the souls go. The 'rapture' is false doctrine. It will lead those that believe in it to worship the antichrist when he appears! |
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Rev. Spiralgazer User ID: 798834 United States 01/25/2010 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Margret McDonald DID indeed start this in 1830, she even stated that the 'vision' she had felt 'evil' to her, it was the preachers that ran with it and began to teach it. The word is not even in the Bible, and there IS NO RAPTURE. In Ephesians we are told to put on the whole Armour of God to STAND AGAINST the devil. No one is 'flying' away. Ezekiel 13:20 states (God speaking), I am AGAINST those that teach my children to fly to save their souls, I will tear them from their arms and let the souls go. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812857The 'rapture' is false doctrine. It will lead those that believe in it to worship the antichrist when he appears! + 1 "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 873096 United States 01/25/2010 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Margret McDonald DID indeed start this in 1830, she even stated that the 'vision' she had felt 'evil' to her, it was the preachers that ran with it and began to teach it. The word is not even in the Bible, and there IS NO RAPTURE. In Ephesians we are told to put on the whole Armour of God to STAND AGAINST the devil. No one is 'flying' away. Ezekiel 13:20 states (God speaking), I am AGAINST those that teach my children to fly to save their souls, I will tear them from their arms and let the souls go. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812857The 'rapture' is false doctrine. It will lead those that believe in it to worship the antichrist when he appears! +1 , for truth! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 863287 United States 01/25/2010 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The secret rapture and 7 yr tribulation doctrine was created by a Jesuit Priest .... Jesuit Francisco Rivera [link to www.secret-rapture.com] |
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mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 01/25/2010 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one is 'flying' away. Ezekiel 13:20 states (God speaking), I am AGAINST those that teach my children to fly to save their souls, I will tear them from their arms and let the souls go. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812857Good grief ac Ezekiel 13:20 is talking about false prophets or fortune tellers. And of course you chopped the verse down to "fit your meaning" and please show what translation you found "teach my children to fly to save their souls" I've been thru at least 10 diff translations and can't find what you posted? Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against your magic bands with which you hunt the souls like birds, and I will tear them from your arms, and I will let the souls whom you hunt go free, the souls like birds. English Standard Version Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. KJV [link to www.biblegateway.com] And of course everyone that claims the NT does not teach the harpazo(snatching away) or episunago (gathering together) ignores that the early church taught this as well as Jesus & Paul.... as shown above I won't debate this on opinion but only from scripture..so if anyone has anything relevant(besides the attempt above) I would love to see it For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 754098 United States 01/25/2010 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the most widely circulated attacks against the pre-trib rapture is the notion that a girl named Margaret MacDonald started this theological view back in 1830. The claim is typically made that MacDonald received a demonic vision, passed it on to John Darby, who in turn popularized it. Disproving this assertion proves rather easy. Pre-trib scholars have discovered a host of rapture writings that predate Margaret MacDonald. Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." One post-trib author offered a reward to anyone who could find a quote that predated MacDonald. He had to quickly cough up the money when someone identified a scholar who wrote about the pre-trib rapture several years before MacDonald. As of late, dozens of examples have been found, and the literary surface has hardly been scratched. With the revealing of all these pre-MacDonald writings, you would think that this argument has been debunked. Unfortunately, this is not the case. We seem to be involved in a tug-of-war with the truth. Apparently, due to their lack of research, pre-trib opponents continue to pump out publications that cite MacDonald as the originator of the pre-trib rapture. |