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Or NEXUS

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Or NEXUS

LOL
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WOAH!!!!!!!!!!!!I never saw that one!!!!!!!!!
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I have watched marinetraffic at fairly regular times and have not found any research type activity over the area of the plume-reef which, as AM states, is generally the area where the most of the undersea pipe highway extends.

The interest seems to be over and between the domes. The Gyre has circled easterly of the dome today.


I am saying that I have seen slow movement of these ships over the area to the south of the Discoverer Enterprise and the west of the wellhead. I think we are talking past each other about specific areas, we are seeing the same thing! :)



AM, can you, or any other reader, look at the terrain on marinetraffic and describe the location of the 22-mile plume reef relative to the major domes?

I have not been able to understand why there is so little apparent interest in the plume and its texture and contents. Do they think they have it figured out? Or, due to limited resources and a higher priority, time is spent over and between the domes?


Someone posted a while back on some GOM thread that he had info that there are 38 active hydrocarbon "vents" that do not have any kind of piping or production casing on them at all. I speculate that this plume is actually *fresh oil* from these vents, which are in turn on the domes. I also suspect that some kind of incomplete industrial remediation has been done to try to limit the damage of these vents, or hide them, such as a permanent underwater collection or disperasant system or both.

I would expect that they are taking close inspections of this equipment as well as trying to gage what the geological conditions are on the sea-floor, since apparently, there has been significant destabilization, maybe even enough to disrupt the installed equipment.

Once the oil is in the water, BP doesn't really care about it, so the focus is on the fresh hydrocarbon sources.
 Quoting: American Mentat



The frakking due to high-speed drilling, which has been admitted, would widen existing vents and open news ones.

The underwater plume river appears to be traveling, yet almost no surface attention has been given to what has to be a huge amount of hydrocarbons.

BP may not care about the oil once it is in the water, but what is keeping the plume underwater, other than Corexit?
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Coconut oil has a significant amount of lauric acid [ingested it goes to work and our bodies convert it into a form that is deadly to troublesome microbes.]

[Partial list of] Lipid-Coated Microorganisms Killed by Lauric Acid
Gram-positive organisms
Gram-negative organisms (if pretreated with chelator)

The Coconut Oil Miracle (book)
 Quoting: 1221 1093619


I LOVE coconut oil. I use it in alot of our meals along with flaxseed oil (both organic, unfiltered/unrefined).

Still use good olive oil too. It depends on the temps you are cooking with. Flaxseed can not tolerate temps except to warm, coconut can tolerate up to 280. Their health bennifits out weigh even good olive oil, and all three are far superior in your diet to any standard cooking oils.

Lots of info and important health benefits with a little ggling!! Worth it!!!
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Just a thought I had and maybe someone else has posted the same but looking through the retrospectoscope I do not believe that the well could not have been capped sooner. It spewed oil and GAS for weeks on end and the GAS WAS A MAJOR COMPONENT! I really think it was allowed to continue as a relief valve to delay the BIG BANG that sooner or later is going to happen whether we like it r not unless they find a way to draw off that gas!.Any takers???????????
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Coconut oil has a significant amount of lauric acid [ingested it goes to work and our bodies convert it into a form that is deadly to troublesome microbes.]

[Partial list of] Lipid-Coated Microorganisms Killed by Lauric Acid
Gram-positive organisms
Gram-negative organisms (if pretreated with chelator)

The Coconut Oil Miracle (book)


I LOVE coconut oil. I use it in alot of our meals along with flaxseed oil (both organic, unfiltered/unrefined).

Still use good olive oil too. It depends on the temps you are cooking with. Flaxseed can not tolerate temps except to warm, coconut can tolerate up to 280. Their health bennifits out weigh even good olive oil, and all three are far superior in your diet to any standard cooking oils.

Lots of info and important health benefits with a little ggling!! Worth it!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1071336

In Sri Lanka thick and thin coconut oil is freshly made daily in the home and the food is delicious. A good Sri Lankan cook book would have some tasty delights, sweet and savory!!!
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More reports of flesh-eating bacteria in the Gulf -- Feds funding how it will be affected by oil


One of the death is a 12 years old boy who a a small sore on his foot and walked on the beach in the Gulf.

This is insane....

[link to www.youtube.com]


Interesting and sad. I remember about the phd grandmother and someone else talking about the organism in the GoM.
She was explaining about gram-negative and gram-positive.

Here is a basic fact/info sheet about the flesh-eating bacteria that they are contracting called "Vibrio vulnificus".

[link to www.fda.gov]
 Quoting: fairflight



Woodie will freak when he reads the following link then. Cholera is also a Vibo bacterium.

[link to www.bt.cdc.gov]

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Coconut oil has a significant amount of lauric acid [ingested it goes to work and our bodies convert it into a form that is deadly to troublesome microbes.]

[Partial list of] Lipid-Coated Microorganisms Killed by Lauric Acid
Gram-positive organisms
Gram-negative organisms (if pretreated with chelator)

The Coconut Oil Miracle (book)


I LOVE coconut oil. I use it in alot of our meals along with flaxseed oil (both organic, unfiltered/unrefined).

Still use good olive oil too. It depends on the temps you are cooking with. Flaxseed can not tolerate temps except to warm, coconut can tolerate up to 280. Their health bennifits out weigh even good olive oil, and all three are far superior in your diet to any standard cooking oils.

Lots of info and important health benefits with a little ggling!! Worth it!!!

In Sri Lanka thick and thin coconut oil is freshly made daily in the home and the food is delicious. A good Sri Lankan cook book would have some tasty delights, sweet and savory!!!
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Thanks COL- Will def pick me up one of those!
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marinetraffic does not appear to be available.

Is it just my computer or is the site down? Will someone please check. Thanks


working here. showing 707 total vessels in GOM
(Texas to Florida)
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Thank you for the post. I will remind everyone that the significance of the ships in the north of the Gulf are the ports they use. Louisiana was once the highest-county port traffic, being #7 world-wide. Houston was #8. Now there is almost no commercial ship traffic in and out of LA.

There is a reason for restriction port traffic and we have not been told. We do not that Louisiana in on "catastrophic" alert for a bio-hazard, but do not know what.

The most serious problem for the public is that US g'ment agencies continue to publicize that the beaches and the water are safe for the public.

On the CNN video of the Gulf Commission, one person asked about the reports of the hazard in the Gulf, hemmed and hawed and said that he didn't have the exact reports in front of him, but that generally there is not a potential hazard to humans.
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TEX NUTS (sorry Tex)

STUN X ET

Heres a quick list off an anagram finder site.

NETTS NEXUS STUNT TENTS TEXTS TUNES TUXES UNSET UNSEX NEST NETS NETT NEXT NUTS SENT SETT SEXT STET STUN SUET TENS TENT TEST TETS TEXT TUNE TUNS TUTS ENS NET NUS NUT SEN SET SEX SUE SUN TEN TET TUN TUT TUX UNS USE UTS EN ES ET EX NE NU UN US UT XU
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Coconut oil has a significant amount of lauric acid [ingested it goes to work and our bodies convert it into a form that is deadly to troublesome microbes.]

[Partial list of] Lipid-Coated Microorganisms Killed by Lauric Acid
Gram-positive organisms
Gram-negative organisms (if pretreated with chelator)

The Coconut Oil Miracle (book)


I LOVE coconut oil. I use it in alot of our meals along with flaxseed oil (both organic, unfiltered/unrefined).

Still use good olive oil too. It depends on the temps you are cooking with. Flaxseed can not tolerate temps except to warm, coconut can tolerate up to 280. Their health bennifits out weigh even good olive oil, and all three are far superior in your diet to any standard cooking oils.

Lots of info and important health benefits with a little ggling!! Worth it!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1071336


coconutoil, acv, lugols, h2o2 foodgrade, lavenderoil, colloidal,oliveleaf, oiloforegano:its what's for survival ;)

try 50-50 mix acv/3%h2o2 as veggie wash kills 99%badstuff
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Just a thought I had and maybe someone else has posted the same but looking through the retrospectoscope I do not believe that the well could not have been capped sooner. It spewed oil and GAS for weeks on end and the GAS WAS A MAJOR COMPONENT! I really think it was allowed to continue as a relief valve to delay the BIG BANG that sooner or later is going to happen whether we like it r not unless they find a way to draw off that gas!.Any takers???????????
 Quoting: childoflight


That does not answer the reason for allowing gas to escape, which allows water to push into the reservoir for much more serious problems, which is my understanding of the issue.

Due to late capping and no other resolution at an earlier time, sea water and pushed into the reservoir causing much greater and impossible-to-resolve problems.
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Just wondering if anyone has had a problem with posting, like the one I've had, almost from the beginning of this thread.

I am unregistered A/C, so cannot edit.

Not all the time, but fairly often words are changed or deleted from my posts.

For example, the word "not" gets deleted, and sometime the "y" is dropped off "your" changing the word to "our."

Other short words are changed or deleted, but the above two examples are common. At first I thought it was my bad typing, but too many times my words have been changed on this thread.
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Just a thought I had and maybe someone else has posted the same but looking through the retrospectoscope I do not believe that the well could not have been capped sooner. It spewed oil and GAS for weeks on end and the GAS WAS A MAJOR COMPONENT! I really think it was allowed to continue as a relief valve to delay the BIG BANG that sooner or later is going to happen whether we like it r not unless they find a way to draw off that gas!.Any takers???????????


That does not answer the reason for allowing gas to escape, which allows water to push into the reservoir for much more serious problems, which is my understanding of the issue.

Due to late capping and no other resolution at an earlier time, sea water and pushed into the reservoir causing much greater and impossible-to-resolve problems.
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The amount of methane was extreme. Makes ya wonder if the critters were making it in such abundance.
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Just wondering if anyone has had a problem with posting, like the one I've had, almost from the beginning of this thread.

I am unregistered A/C, so cannot edit.

Not all the time, but fairly often words are changed or deleted from my posts.

For example, the word "not" gets deleted, and sometime the "y" is dropped off "your" changing the word to "our."

Other short words are changed or deleted, but the above two examples are common. At first I thought it was my bad typing, but too many times my words have been changed on this thread.
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i want the name of your pusher bonghit
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Coconut oil has a significant amount of lauric acid [ingested it goes to work and our bodies convert it into a form that is deadly to troublesome microbes.]

[Partial list of] Lipid-Coated Microorganisms Killed by Lauric Acid
Gram-positive organisms
Gram-negative organisms (if pretreated with chelator)

The Coconut Oil Miracle (book)


I LOVE coconut oil. I use it in alot of our meals along with flaxseed oil (both organic, unfiltered/unrefined).

Still use good olive oil too. It depends on the temps you are cooking with. Flaxseed can not tolerate temps except to warm, coconut can tolerate up to 280. Their health bennifits out weigh even good olive oil, and all three are far superior in your diet to any standard cooking oils.

Lots of info and important health benefits with a little ggling!! Worth it!!!


coconutoil, acv, lugols, h2o2 foodgrade, lavenderoil, colloidal,oliveleaf, oiloforegano:its what's for survival ;)

try 50-50 mix acv/3%h2o2 as veggie wash kills 99%badstuff
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Have been doing that for a few years now!! Been responding as AC 1071336 (keep forgetting to log on :) Never know what is on those fruit and veggies! :)
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Off to pick up my Kefir grains...Look up it's health affects!! Fantastic stuff!
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Off to pick up my Kefir grains...Look up it's health affects!! Fantastic stuff!
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Yep, but you might just have to invest in a dairy herd to keep them fed. Boy, do those little buggers reproduce faster than rabbits!
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i want the name of your pusher bonghit
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What's a "pusher?"
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Off to pick up my Kefir grains...Look up it's health affects!! Fantastic stuff!

Yep, but you might just have to invest in a dairy herd to keep them fed. Boy, do those little buggers reproduce faster than rabbits!
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We have cashmere goats and heard you can eat the extra grains. :)
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Just watched an add on tv here in London by some oil company (didn't catch which one)talking about it's development of algae for oil production etc. Not competing for food growing blah blah. hmmmmm
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Off to pick up my Kefir grains...Look up it's health affects!! Fantastic stuff!

Yep, but you might just have to invest in a dairy herd to keep them fed. Boy, do those little buggers reproduce faster than rabbits!


We have cashmere goats and heard you can eat the extra grains. :)
 Quoting: fairflight


Oh yeah, you can. I fed them to my dog, and ate them myself....still was overwhelmed. I agree, the health benefits are awesome.
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i want the name of your pusher bonghit



What's a "pusher?"
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A 20th century authoritarian term for a drug dealer.
edit to say> operating outside the pharmaceutical industry.

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You guys are going to freak: all these ship names have mystical connections.

(Latin gyrus, a spiral): A gyre is a spiral or circular motion. WB Yeats uses the image of a gyre in "The Second Coming" as his private symbol for the forces of history, taking the idea from medieval falconry. ...

web.cn.edu/KWHEELER/lit_terms_G.html

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So no one is picking up on this?

Ok, here are some names of the boats involved in this operation, just to name a few: Nikola (Tesla), Helix (sun/son and spiral) Producer, Pope Benedict, La Madonna, Toisa Pisces, Pisces, and the Abdon (10th judge of Israel) and now we have the Gyre (spiral).

Also, there is the War Admiral, which I can confirm to you via a thread I can find if I have to that this boat was doing southern pointing triangles around the whole area these ships were clustered on the day they were changing the BOP.

Anyone out there?

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Or NEXUS

LOL
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eeeek - nooooo - not me

lol
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Off to pick up my Kefir grains...Look up it's health affects!! Fantastic stuff!

Yep, but you might just have to invest in a dairy herd to keep them fed. Boy, do those little buggers reproduce faster than rabbits!


We have cashmere goats and heard you can eat the extra grains. :)
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I'm not so sure I want to eat grains that have been through a cashmere goat.
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You guys are going to freak: all these ship names have mystical connections.

(Latin gyrus, a spiral): A gyre is a spiral or circular motion. WB Yeats uses the image of a gyre in "The Second Coming" as his private symbol for the forces of history, taking the idea from medieval falconry. ...

web.cn.edu/KWHEELER/lit_terms_G.html

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So no one is picking up on this?

Ok, here are some names of the boats involved in this operation, just to name a few: Nikola (Tesla), Helix (sun/son and spiral) Producer, Pope Benedict, La Madonna, Toisa Pisces, Pisces, and the Abdon (10th judge of Israel) and now we have the Gyre (spiral).

Also, there is the War Admiral, which I can confirm to you via a thread I can find if I have to that this boat was doing southern pointing triangles around the whole area these ships were clustered on the day they were changing the BOP.

Anyone out there?
 Quoting: American Mentat

I mentally noted your observation with interest - sorry for the late response, Mentat, but I've got several other offline activities I'm juggling here. I gather you are bringing this interesting factoid up, because tptb have esoteric habits and patterns of activity....amirite?
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You obviously didn't read the thread. It has been covered several times. Old news. peace


Of course I didn't read the thread... that's all I need to know.

The internet only works a certain way. So anyway... as far as I am concerned. Done.

Sorry to step on any toes, apparently the earthquake already happened. I will leave the faithful to their work then!

Apologies.


What for? not reading the entire thread? Really, it is a daunting task in this age of instant gratification. But, some of us did. It took me two weeks to catch up to speed from pg 1 to page 417, counting all the link diversions, because that's where I came in, thanks to Nexuseditor somehow getting this story into the archives before it's time. I'm loving him forever for that favor, and my husband knows it. In spite of all the BS flags, shills, trolls, intramural beefs, monumental hissyfits, evangelical revivals, and general socializing in the interim, the BESERKERS have not lost their humanity, their sense of humor, or their curiosity. Instead, they have formed a diverse family on a singular quest. Yeah, we got dem twists and turns....that's life. Dance it!
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Right you are TuTu...I started at page one on the first day...

Some evenings at first I would come in from work and have to read 10 or 15 pages to catch up...

A lot of us (I think) only get a few hours here a day...

Like today when I got home from work there were 9 pages or so...So I am catching up now...

That's life...

Like john Lennon said" Life's what happens when your busy making plans"...

Lets Dance... chorus

edit to 9 pages

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...Do You Even Couth, Bro...

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Coconut oil has a significant amount of lauric acid [ingested it goes to work and our bodies convert it into a form that is deadly to troublesome microbes.]

[Partial list of] Lipid-Coated Microorganisms Killed by Lauric Acid
Gram-positive organisms
Gram-negative organisms (if pretreated with chelator)

The Coconut Oil Miracle (book)


I LOVE coconut oil. I use it in alot of our meals along with flaxseed oil (both organic, unfiltered/unrefined).

Still use good olive oil too. It depends on the temps you are cooking with. Flaxseed can not tolerate temps except to warm, coconut can tolerate up to 280. Their health bennifits out weigh even good olive oil, and all three are far superior in your diet to any standard cooking oils.

Lots of info and important health benefits with a little ggling!! Worth it!!!


coconutoil, acv, lugols, h2o2 foodgrade, lavenderoil, colloidal,oliveleaf, oiloforegano:its what's for survival ;)

try 50-50 mix acv/3%h2o2 as veggie wash kills 99%badstuff


Have been doing that for a few years now!! Been responding as AC 1071336 (keep forgetting to log on :) Never know what is on those fruit and veggies! :)
 Quoting: fairflight

Yes it so much more effective mixed together than either is on its own.

BEZERKERS Staring at goats? (Sorry bout that couldn't help myself-they just come to me:) Happy kefir shopping!
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Thanks for the muckety on the ship names AM.

here is something interesting from Congress of the United States today...

H.R. 4168 - Algae-based Renewable Fuel Promotion Act (Rep. Teague - Ways and Means)

[link to patrickhenrypress.info]
was covered on C-Span today





GLP