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Thanks Krispy for bringing those posts to my attention. rken
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! How did this make it back to the front page?
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The document may have been scanned and miss-read by OCR software which is prone to errors like this.
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Thank you for that explanation, fellowearthling.

I've never seen that before.
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some interesting reading on radioactive decay


On Dec 13, 2006, the sun itself provided a crucial clue, when a solar flare sent a stream of particles and radiation toward Earth. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins, while measuring the decay rate of manganese-54, a short-lived isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the rate dropped slightly during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and a half before the flare
[link to www.symmetrymagazine.org]

Althought it would seem that solar activity actually slows the decay rate according to this article and others like it that I have found. Perhaps it would effect the radioactive output of nuclear materials making them inoperable. So it would seem the more nutrinos release, if that is the culprit, the slower the decay rate. hmmmm What are the implications of something like this. more research I think would be in order.

found article that talks about 3 ways to change the decay rate of radioactive materials.

[link to www.dinosaurc14ages.com]

Check this out

Radioactive isotope half-lives can be decreased to neutralize nuclear waste and weapons. This phenomenon can be accomplished by using equipment available since the late 1800’s and this technique has been known for the past 40 years. Incorporating this technique can result in vast financial savings, solve the current insurmountable environmental problems of radioactive waste storage and ensure this planet a future free from the threat of deadly nuclear radiation contamination.

[link to www.gdr.org]

more same source

The earth is a negative charged (positive charged for electrical engineers) orb traveling in space with an associated magnetic field. The earth has a surplus of electrons and varies in voltage potential to the ionosphere by 300,000 to 400,000 volts (some times more or less) with respect to the ionosphere. The steady loss of electrons from the earth is called ionic current and amounts to about 9 micro amps per square mile of the earth’s surface. The entire earth’s surface and the ionosphere is the oppositely-charged plates of a vast capacitor with the air between them acting as a rather inferior insulator, for it leaks continuously. This ionic current can be rather variable due to many influencing conditions that exist over time. Electrical storms can locally increase the electrical potential many times over the so called normal value. Additionally the magnetic field can vary over the earth’s surface. These various earth conditions cause the decay rate of radioactive isotopes to vary over the earth’s surface and over eons of time. Once one realizes that this is the case, then the next step is to vary certain environmental conditions specifically on an isotope that one would prefer to exhibit an increase in half-life or a decrease in half-life. All that can easily be done.

rken
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Hi Rken, yes I see the different opinions.




- 1 : (...) a shower of neutrinos could have accelerated rates of radioactive decay at some time in the past. ...
A few of these neutrinos interact with the nucleii of atoms, and could induce radioactive decay. But if there were many more of them, this could happen much more often, speeding up decay rates. We observe that there was a recent large release of energy that probably included huge numbers of neutrinos:

- That would mean gamma-ray bursts represent an energy release in a few seconds equivalent to the amount our Sun will emit in its entire ten-billion-year lifetime. (..)

One proposed explanation for the gamma ray bursts is colliding neutron stars. This might happen fairly often, since many stars are binary stars, and if both partners became neutron stars, there would be a pair of orbiting neutron stars. Then their passage through a supernova stage or magnetic or tidal interactions could disturb their orbits so that they would collide, or passage through a cloud of dust could have a similar effect.

Such events could accelerate radioactive decay rates, if they were not too far from the earth. Such events might also accelerate stellar development, if they are frequent enough.

If a supernova had something to do with the Flood, then the iridium layer found at the K-T boundary, when the dinosaurs died out, could represent material from this supernova that reached the earth some time afterwards, assuming that the Mesozoic deposits are post-Flood.

A problem with these scenarios is that any source near enough significantly to increase decay rates in this way, would probably emit enough heat and light energy to vaporize the earth, since only a small fraction of neutrinos interact with the earth, but all heat and light energy directed at the earth has an effect. However, it is possible that the heat, light, and radiation could be blocked by a dust cloud while the neutrinos could get through. Perhaps the heat, light, and radiation would be preferentially emitted in certain directions, largely missing the solar system. Also, there could be other kinds of events that emit more neutrinos and less heat and light. In addition, at the moment of creation, there could have been huge numbers of neutrinos emitted, which could have had a similar effect of speeding up decay rates and making the universe appear old very quickly.

[link to www.cs.unc.edu]


- 2 (...) The following comment by Wanser3, a creationist physicist, is significant: "Actually, it turns out that when you get the nucleus "excited", decay is going to be much quicker, making things look vastly "older". People have been talking recently about magnetic stars giving off big bursts of gamma rays; there are all sorts of ways that radiometric "clocks" could have been reset catastrophically, during the Flood, for example." In fact, when the nucleus gets excited, it takes time for it to settle down. This means that rates of decay may have been faster for some time after the Flood. Another mechanism for an increase in the decay rate is presented in Science by Stone.4 This article shows how interactions with elementary particles can cause decay rates to increase. One such particle is the neutrino. A recent result implies that neutrinos interact with matter much more readily than previously thought: "The results also show that another property of neutrinos, related to how they interact with matter, known as the mixing angle, must be large, rather than small, contrary to what physicists believed until quite recently."5 So radiation, possibly gamma radiation or possibly neutrinos, could have sped up decay rates.

But where would this radiation have come from? One possibility is a supernova. Many supernovae are known. The Crab Nebula is the remnant of a supernova explosion that was seen on Earth in 1054 AD. It is 6000 light years from Earth.

[link to www.tasc-creationscience.org]


- 3 "It is also interesting in this regard that beta decay creates an anti-neutrino. It could just as well occur by absorbing a neutrino, and thus an increase in the flux of neutrinos could increase the beta decay constants. The web site How to Change Nuclear Decay Rates mentions that electron capture invoves the emission of a neutrino, and so it might be stimulated by the absorption of an anti-neutrino. "

Different elements, different decay-rates:
"The same reaction would cause the decay of carbon 14, and might increase radiocarbon ages as well. However, since carbon 14 has such a short half life, and decays spontaneously relatively rapidly, the effect due to neutrinos may be smaller than for substances such as rubidium with very long half lives. This might explain why low carbon 14 ages are sometimes found in conjunction with lava flows having very old radiometric ages. By analogy with the effect of neutrinos on decay, anti-neutrinos could change a proton to a neutron, and thus contribute to the decay of potassium to argon, increasing K-Ar ages. Neutrinos, through the weak interaction, may be able to disturb nucleii slightly, and thus induce unstable nucleii to decay even by alpha decay. Neutrinos interact with matter through W+, W-, and Z bosons, which carry the weak force, and perhaps through an exchange of these particles with a proton or a neutron, a neutrino could perturb a nucleus without the identity of either particle being changed. Maybe the reason that too few solar neutrinos are observed is that most of them are absorbed in the sun and contribute to further radioactive decay there. Another possibility is that a change in the speed of light could influence decay constants."

[link to www.cs.unc.edu]


- 4
This, of course, is only true under the assumption that it's the neutrinos that are really causing the increase in radioactive decay. The article does mention that there were many unknowns in the measurements. It may be something else that causes this increase, or even a combination of two. It may also be the case that more neutrinos, the rate at which they're emitted, or other interacting fields alter the effect.

- 5 Different decays, some increase and some decrease :
Primordial Nucleosynthesis with a Decaying Tau Neutrino
[link to arxiv.org]

"A comprehensive study of the effect of an unstable tau neutrino on primordial nucleosynthesis is presented. The standard code for nucleosynthesis is modified to allow for a massive decaying tau neutrino whose daughter products include neutrinos, photons, $e^\pm$ pairs, and/or noninteracting (sterile) daughter products. Tau-neutrino decays influence primordial nucleosynthesis in three distinct ways: (i) the energy density of the decaying tau neutrino and its daughter products affect the expansion rate tending to increase $^4$He, D, and $^3$He production; (ii) electromagnetic (EM) decay products heat the EM plasma and dilute the baryon-to-photon ratio tending to decrease $^4$He production and increase D and $^3$He production; and (iii) electron neutrinos and antineutrinos produced by tau-neutrino decays increase the weak rates that govern the neutron-to-proton ratio, leading to decreased $^4$He production for short lifetimes ($\la 30\sec$) and masses less than about $10\MeV$ and increased $^4$He production for long lifetimes or large masses. The precise effect of a decaying tau neutrino on the yields of primordial nucleosynthesis and the mass-lifetime limits that follow depend crucially upon decay mode. We identify four generic decay modes that serve to bracket the wider range of possibilities: "


I think we will find links to both our posts, for evidence on decrease, and evidence of increase ...lol...

xxx MzK
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I would tend to agree that it speeds up the release despite some reports to the contrary. Slowing down the rate seems counter intuitive to me. When you take all things into consideration. ie like what are nutrinos and how do effect and or interact with the environment under what conditions.

It would seem from what I have read this could have devistating effects on trying to control nuclear reactors and other radioactive materials.

It also coincides with my feelings about the elites and their attempts to hold on to power by control energy sources. And the subsequent need for a change. Which must happen. rken
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Steve Says:
August 31st, 2010 at 10:53 am

Per this article in Nature, 2000, the quantum anti-zeno effect has been experimentally verified to increase the rate of radioactive decay:
“Acceleration of quantum decay processes by frequent observations”:
[link to www.nature.com]

So, if neutrinos “observe” atomic nuclei, and the rate of neutrino observations changes appreciably, it isn’t a huge leap to assume that the rate of radioactive decay can change as a result of the quantum (anti) zeno effect. For this to occur, neutrinos don’t have to interact with atomic nuclei to such a degree that an electron, positron or muon is generated. The interaction only has to consist of a “measurement”.
 Quoting: Steve



Isnt that interresting ? A measurement ?
A measurement is pointing awareness ... consciousness ...
Intent ...

The more we observe, the faster the decay ...
hmmmzzzz very interresting.


(just an other wild thought : could Zeno Efect, be part of the freeZE ~ ANTI-freeZE ???? scratching )
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Great work Krispy

I was really shocked when I came upon the reports suggesting that it slowed decay, I was really expecting the opposite. Thanks for the time in finding the article you did as all I was finding were superficial articles suggestion a slowing.

I guess its all in the googling. lol. You seem to have a knack for it. rken
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Steve Says:
August 31st, 2010 at 10:53 am

Per this article in Nature, 2000, the quantum anti-zeno effect has been experimentally verified to increase the rate of radioactive decay:
“Acceleration of quantum decay processes by frequent observations”:
[link to www.nature.com]

So, if neutrinos “observe” atomic nuclei, and the rate of neutrino observations changes appreciably, it isn’t a huge leap to assume that the rate of radioactive decay can change as a result of the quantum (anti) zeno effect. For this to occur, neutrinos don’t have to interact with atomic nuclei to such a degree that an electron, positron or muon is generated. The interaction only has to consist of a “measurement”.
 Quoting: Steve



Isnt that interresting ? A measurement ?
A measurement is pointing awareness ... consciousness ...
Intent ...

The more we observe, the faster the decay ...
hmmmzzzz very interresting.


(just an other wild thought : could Zeno Efect, be part of the freeZE ~ ANTI-freeZE ???? scratching )
 Quoting: Krispy71

I like that one. reminds me of the concept of double blind tests in science. there is no such things unless the scientist can remain completely neutral with no preconceived ideas. Other wise his very presence effects the outcome of the experiment. this was illustrated by the study of sub atomic particles by different cultures, which described different attributes to the same particle. I believe it was a Russian team vs. a US team of scientists. rken
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Steve Says:
August 31st, 2010 at 10:53 am

Per this article in Nature, 2000, the quantum anti-zeno effect has been experimentally verified to increase the rate of radioactive decay:
“Acceleration of quantum decay processes by frequent observations”:
[link to www.nature.com]

So, if neutrinos “observe” atomic nuclei, and the rate of neutrino observations changes appreciably, it isn’t a huge leap to assume that the rate of radioactive decay can change as a result of the quantum (anti) zeno effect. For this to occur, neutrinos don’t have to interact with atomic nuclei to such a degree that an electron, positron or muon is generated. The interaction only has to consist of a “measurement”.
 Quoting: Steve



Isnt that interresting ? A measurement ?
A measurement is pointing awareness ... consciousness ...
Intent ...

The more we observe, the faster the decay ...
hmmmzzzz very interresting.


(just an other wild thought : could Zeno Efect, be part of the freeZE ~ ANTI-freeZE ???? scratching )
 Quoting: Krispy71

I like that one. reminds me of the concept of double blind tests in science. there is no such things unless the scientist can remain completely neutral with no preconceived ideas. Other wise his very presence effects the outcome of the experiment. this was illustrated by the study of sub atomic particles by different cultures, which described different attributes to the same particle. I believe it was a Russian team vs. a US team of scientists. rken
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YES !!!!!
And it implicates a very strong power WE HUMANS could attribute to the decay increase or decrease.
To the harm or no harm, lethal or non-lethal ...
As you say again OUR THOUGHTS are THE KEY.

If we are afraid then we provoke a certain outcome,
if we are to positive, we also influence outcommes that might be not what would have happend if we were able to stay NEUTRAL, but are an image of our wishes.
If we could stay neutral, then the way of the univers would happen.

Like neutrino's and other particles/forces,
we with our mind can change SPIN and momentum ....

If something is put under attention of a mass public, then that will change the outcome ...
Gives you an other perspective on internet and forums just like GLP ... and organisations like think tanks ....
WE and how we think about a certain thing (like AUgie and the Chinese) will influence the worlds perception accordingly. What we "believe" is the truth will manifest like truth, even if it is an illusion.


xxMzK
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Steve Says:
August 31st, 2010 at 10:53 am

Per this article in Nature, 2000, the quantum anti-zeno effect has been experimentally verified to increase the rate of radioactive decay:
“Acceleration of quantum decay processes by frequent observations”:
[link to www.nature.com]

So, if neutrinos “observe” atomic nuclei, and the rate of neutrino observations changes appreciably, it isn’t a huge leap to assume that the rate of radioactive decay can change as a result of the quantum (anti) zeno effect. For this to occur, neutrinos don’t have to interact with atomic nuclei to such a degree that an electron, positron or muon is generated. The interaction only has to consist of a “measurement”.
 Quoting: Steve



Isnt that interresting ? A measurement ?
A measurement is pointing awareness ... consciousness ...
Intent ...

The more we observe, the faster the decay ...
hmmmzzzz very interresting.


(just an other wild thought : could Zeno Efect, be part of the freeZE ~ ANTI-freeZE ???? scratching )
 Quoting: Krispy71

I like that one. reminds me of the concept of double blind tests in science. there is no such things unless the scientist can remain completely neutral with no preconceived ideas. Other wise his very presence effects the outcome of the experiment. this was illustrated by the study of sub atomic particles by different cultures, which described different attributes to the same particle. I believe it was a Russian team vs. a US team of scientists. rken
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YES !!!!!
And it implicates a very strong power WE HUMANS could attribute to the decay increase or decrease.
To the harm or no harm, lethal or non-lethal ...
As you say again OUR THOUGHTS are THE KEY.

If we are afraid then we provoke a certain outcome,
if we are to positive, we also influence outcommes that might be not what would have happend if we were able to stay NEUTRAL, but are an image of our wishes.
If we could stay neutral, then the way of the univers would happen.

Like neutrino's and other particles/forces,
we with our mind can change SPIN and momentum ....

If something is put under attention of a mass public, then that will change the outcome ...
Gives you an other perspective on internet and forums just like GLP ... and organisations like think tanks ....
WE and how we think about a certain thing (like AUgie and the Chinese) will influence the worlds perception accordingly. What we "believe" is the truth will manifest like truth, even if it is an illusion.


xxMzK
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Nice thoughts and I agree.

After all is said and done it would seem that we do indeed create the very substance of our realities. I can remember a time when I thought the world was flat. It would all appear to be a sales job. Who can sell what concept to most people in the world. Be still and know that you are god. Not an egotistical concept because in realizing it you also recognize everyone else is to. perhaps one day we will treat each other accordingly. rken
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A thread I thought you might like to get involved in. rken

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Krispy

I would tend to agree that it speeds up the release despite some reports to the contrary. Slowing down the rate seems counter intuitive to me. When you take all things into consideration. ie like what are nutrinos and how do effect and or interact with the environment under what conditions.

It would seem from what I have read this could have devistating effects on trying to control nuclear reactors and other radioactive materials.

It also coincides with my feelings about the elites and their attempts to hold on to power by control energy sources. And the subsequent need for a change. Which must happen. rken
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Yes the reports are confiusing ... and we just simple people hahahaha :P

Slowing down the decay-rate would seem to me that elements stay longer radioactive, and thus not good for our health.
With the speeding up of the decay it would seem to me that elements decay naturally into lower energetical elements, with less radiation and eventual stable elements.

wiki:
The daughter nuclide of a decay event may also be unstable (radioactive). In this case, it will also decay, producing radiation. The resulting second daughter nuclide may also be radioactive. This can lead to a sequence of several decay events. Eventually, a stable nuclide is produced. This is called a decay chain.

(some decay into lead, wich is stable)

If what I read was correctly interpreted then in very simple words a neutrino interacts by weak force. Normaly in a very minimalistic way, coz many neutrino's pass without any interaction. But the volume of neutrino's that reach us is increasing rapidly at the moment. So the chanses of interaction are increasing too. The effect a neutrino has can be detected by the spin of the particles visable/detectable in its tail, coz it has the capability to change spin and momentum.
It is also detected by the event of Cherencov-radiation.

With the descovery that the sun and other celestial body's have a direct influence on the quantity of neutrino's, and that they are increasing the decayrate, to me this seems to say that radioactive elements are sooner broken down in less radioactive elements.
In my opinion and your feeling this would be a good something.
But we could be wrong. I hope not though lol...

It seems that a slower spin, as well as the core of the sun -33 days and on surface faster with 28 days- aswell like the core of the earth, generates more neutrino's.
I liked the article that speculated about the core of the earth being of mutch potassium(salt) and that it also produced neutrino's. This would fit the event of the sun, the Earths crust would spinn faster then its core at the moment.

The spinning of the core's of elements could be related to the substance they travel through.
In my believe (copied from some scientists) that the earths core is like a dynamo, which works towards a maximun, i.e. fast spinn (more cooling and down-presure), and slows down to a minimum, i.e. slow spin (heating up and expansion/low presure) it is imaginable that this also correlates with the medium we travel through. As now that we are traveling through high energetic space and the mysterious Ribbon-cloud this could affect the spin and release of elements like neutrino's too, it is activating the proces by many factors like electromagnetical forces.

A wild thought (and encouraged by something I read and posted) is that a cloud of dust could break up radiation in 3 and difuse it in directions that will not hit earth directly. GR's and ? (lol) travel slower then neutrino's .. and neutrino's are able to travel through such a cloud of gas unhindered. It works like a SCHIELD.
Is the Fluffy our LUCKY schield ??? But with properties that are beneficial to us and our evolution ? (is you welcome change) ...


Hmmmmzzz... many things to ponder upon :D :D



Last but not least, a reply to your line : "... could have devistating effects on trying to control nuclear reactors and other radioactive materials."
>> This brings to mind the stories of ET's who are disabling nuclear heads in weapons (and confirmed by nasa! or was it the air force some months back ? ) .... It is not unthinkable why. And then it is also not unthinkable that they could neutralise a lot of the radiation from damaged nuclear plants ...

The "lights" seen near disabled nukes were also seen in Japan near the reactors ...
I hope so.



xxxMzK
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This would be nice :



COSMIC CERENKOV RADIATION - POWER SOURCES WE'VE BARELY EXPLORED
[link to realneo.us]

The image above is a NASA sketch of theoretical gamma ray energy collectors. The energy which such an array would collect is Cerenkov Radiation (or Cherenkov).
Cerenkov Radiation is the radiation which causes the blue glow (See Google images) in the water in nuclear reactors.

Unlike photo voltaic arrays - which collect energy from the sun less than half the time - Cerenkov collectors collect gamma rays from deep space, so they are operative 24 hours a day.

While we continue to poison the globe with a light dusting of toxic radiation and an atmosphere full of fossil fuel exhausts - where are novel energy concepts like Cerenkov Collectors being built and tested?
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Great work Krispy

I was really shocked when I came upon the reports suggesting that it slowed decay, I was really expecting the opposite. Thanks for the time in finding the article you did as all I was finding were superficial articles suggestion a slowing.

I guess its all in the googling. lol. You seem to have a knack for it. rken
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TNX Rken.
Yes I seem, lol... aco agreed on that too :P


I have a great relationship with my computer afro

Regarding the decay-rates, I think different elements have different decay-rates, some seem to slow down and some seemed to show increase under the same exposure. And yes the distance to the sun is a factor but not a major one according to scientists.
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krispy

A thread I thought you might like to get involved in. rken

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TNX flower
That is indeed a good thread.
I will start reading later or this weekend, coz I am a bit tired and my buttttttt hurts from sitting hahahahaha


See you later my friend, XXX
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RE: Brezy's new BEZERK :.: thread



Hi from OZ, John. You mentioned an orbiting platform that produces skin for submarines and also aircraft.

What is the skin you mention? What are its properties?
 Quoting: BadHairDay


Below is a drawing I made of what d.d (pronounced dee dot dee)
looks like. It has muti-colored dots all over.

The one property that I know it has is that when energy is applied to d.d, as on a destroyer, battleship, aircraft carrier etc or submarine, it repels the water proportionally to the power.

When a submarine (or any craft) turns on the d.d the water is repeled from the skin and eleminates almost all of the drag. That is why they can achieve speeds in excess of 125 knots.

After a cruise the ship must be degaussed by wrapping a huge grounded chain around it.

The old formula of 1.34 times the square root of the waterline no longer applies to maximum hull speed.

[link to imageshack.us]


Also, have you ever come across information pertaining to the infection of the World's oil supplies, possibly nano based? Furthering that, can this infected oil make it thru the refining process in to plastics etc?

Thank you.
 Quoting: BadHairDay


No, I have not.

All the best to you and your family.
 Quoting: johnlear


Wonder if only US subs have this covering? Does this skin and its properties, when viewed in context of reverse emp devices being employed by the Chinese, help to draw out ALL power from the sub perhaps? [HMS Astute]

Could this also be the source of the huge amounts of magnetic radiation experienced by the subs? Either early deployment by the Chinese, or interaction with the organism? The communication burst(s) either way between organism and home base interacting with these skins?

The general consensus was the skins were special in regards to anti radar and sonar, but as Lear indicates, the energy applied to the skin may create additional characteristics.

Would also lend some credence to the 'speeds' we worked out and - laughed at - regarding deployments.

Also, the d.d is ringing some bells for me, from really early discussions from the journals.
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in op's burst...something was said about this business of reverse emp weapons and how it can be focused on any ship or area...and then those Nomura jellyfish swarm and attack..

but didn't say it was only subs...more like any ship...let me quote the burst...


"Testss have shown that China now has the the ability with S.IM to direct millions/billions of jellyfish to attack/cling to to the hull of any surface
and subsurface target vessel and disable it(decommission/redundant)(translation problem). ..China has the ability with their new weapons::
(Reverse EMP or S.IM or Array) to create a type of "force field" around a target vessel. The vessel is then lit up like a beacon for the Nomura's
to home in and swim/move towards saID target or to terraform:.: a specific region/area"



It would seem to me that China having the ability to create a force field around any vessel, could/would cause quite the problem for any ship, and their functions not just subs. Once rendered dead in the water, they wouldn't need jellyfish to attack, all they'd have to do, is just let it sit there...didn't this type of thing also happen to a couple cruise ships last summer??...
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Hi breezy,

thanx for that snip.
But I, and others might be too, am confiused ... wasnt intelligent oil, or intelligent moving crystals, flocking around the hulls ?
Wasnt that the art and work of AUgie according to OP/Aco ?

Since when are jellyfish mentioned before by OP/Aco, besides by WOORDSTER ?

Are in your opinion these jellyfish "AUgie" controlled by the Chinese ?

Did JELLYFISH cauzed the reversed EM-Pulse by their forcefield around the vessel??

How would jellyfish "terraform" a specific area ????


I see :.: behind TERRAFORM, and that you have put the same "code" behind BEZERK in your starters post.
Can you explain us why you did it, and what it means ?
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About potassium and radioactive-eating mushrooms, check the May 2nd video on Fairewinds with Maggie Gunderson and Marco Kaltofen, a radiation engineer doing research on the dispersal of rad particles from Fukushima.

[link to fairewinds.com]

At about 10 minutes on the video, Kaltofen is explaining that radioactive cesium mimics potassium uptake in plants.
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Have been pondering the effects of dumped radiation on jellyfish and Au around China Sea and Japan.

Can't freeze them try radiation
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you have until September of this year to get above 1800 ft elevation..... good luck all.
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Thanks Gabriel, can u give a hint why Sept? I thought it was Nov. -Elenin?
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Thanks Gabriel, can u give a hint why Sept? I thought it was Nov. -Elenin?
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The effects from whats behind Elenin will start taking its toll on earth 2 months before the arrival.
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you have until September of this year to get above 1800 ft elevation..... good luck all.
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Thanks Gabriel, can u give a hint why Sept? I thought it was Nov. -Elenin?
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The effects from whats behind Elenin will start taking its toll on earth 2 months before the arrival.
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I think there is a conjunction on Sept 11 also, from what I remember. thanks for the heads up Gab. rken
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I would tend to agree that it speeds up the release despite some reports to the contrary. Slowing down the rate seems counter intuitive to me. When you take all things into consideration. ie like what are nutrinos and how do effect and or interact with the environment under what conditions.

It would seem from what I have read this could have devistating effects on trying to control nuclear reactors and other radioactive materials.

It also coincides with my feelings about the elites and their attempts to hold on to power by control energy sources. And the subsequent need for a change. Which must happen. rken
 Quoting: rken 1380098


Yes the reports are confiusing ... and we just simple people hahahaha :P

Slowing down the decay-rate would seem to me that elements stay longer radioactive, and thus not good for our health.
With the speeding up of the decay it would seem to me that elements decay naturally into lower energetical elements, with less radiation and eventual stable elements.

wiki:
The daughter nuclide of a decay event may also be unstable (radioactive). In this case, it will also decay, producing radiation. The resulting second daughter nuclide may also be radioactive. This can lead to a sequence of several decay events. Eventually, a stable nuclide is produced. This is called a decay chain.

(some decay into lead, wich is stable)

If what I read was correctly interpreted then in very simple words a neutrino interacts by weak force. Normaly in a very minimalistic way, coz many neutrino's pass without any interaction. But the volume of neutrino's that reach us is increasing rapidly at the moment. So the chanses of interaction are increasing too. The effect a neutrino has can be detected by the spin of the particles visable/detectable in its tail, coz it has the capability to change spin and momentum.
It is also detected by the event of Cherencov-radiation.

With the descovery that the sun and other celestial body's have a direct influence on the quantity of neutrino's, and that they are increasing the decayrate, to me this seems to say that radioactive elements are sooner broken down in less radioactive elements.
In my opinion and your feeling this would be a good something.
But we could be wrong. I hope not though lol...

It seems that a slower spin, as well as the core of the sun -33 days and on surface faster with 28 days- aswell like the core of the earth, generates more neutrino's.
I liked the article that speculated about the core of the earth being of mutch potassium(salt) and that it also produced neutrino's. This would fit the event of the sun, the Earths crust would spinn faster then its core at the moment.

The spinning of the core's of elements could be related to the substance they travel through.
In my believe (copied from some scientists) that the earths core is like a dynamo, which works towards a maximun, i.e. fast spinn (more cooling and down-presure), and slows down to a minimum, i.e. slow spin (heating up and expansion/low presure) it is imaginable that this also correlates with the medium we travel through. As now that we are traveling through high energetic space and the mysterious Ribbon-cloud this could affect the spin and release of elements like neutrino's too, it is activating the proces by many factors like electromagnetical forces.

A wild thought (and encouraged by something I read and posted) is that a cloud of dust could break up radiation in 3 and difuse it in directions that will not hit earth directly. GR's and ? (lol) travel slower then neutrino's .. and neutrino's are able to travel through such a cloud of gas unhindered. It works like a SCHIELD.
Is the Fluffy our LUCKY schield ??? But with properties that are beneficial to us and our evolution ? (is you welcome change) ...


Hmmmmzzz... many things to ponder upon :D :D



Last but not least, a reply to your line : "... could have devistating effects on trying to control nuclear reactors and other radioactive materials."
>> This brings to mind the stories of ET's who are disabling nuclear heads in weapons (and confirmed by nasa! or was it the air force some months back ? ) .... It is not unthinkable why. And then it is also not unthinkable that they could neutralise a lot of the radiation from damaged nuclear plants ...

The "lights" seen near disabled nukes were also seen in Japan near the reactors ...
I hope so.



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Great summation Krispy

One thing that I remember reading about is the light being studies in a valley near you someplace. They spent millions setting up tracking stations etc. The concensis was that they were some kind of terrestrial life form seemingly having intelligence. I have often thought that many of these are what is being seen around volcano's etc. perhaps they feed on the energy being generated, plasma.

Hessdalen is a small valley in the central part of Norway. At the end of 1981 through 1984, residents of the Valley became concerned and alarmed about strange, unexplained lights that appeared at many locations throughout the Valley. Hundreds of lights were observed. At the peak of activity there were about 20 reports a week.
Project Hessdalen was established in the summer of 1983. A field investigation was carried out between 21.January and 26.February 1984. Fifty-three light observations were made during the field investigation. You may read the details in the technical report. There was an additional field investigation in the winter of 1985. However, no phenomena were seen during the period when the instruments were present. [link to www.hessdalen.org]


Plasma life forms
[link to www.google.com]


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Deep in the radioactive bowels of the smashed Chernobyl reactor, a strange new lifeform is blooming.

WENTY-TWO YEARS AGO, on 26 April 1986, reactor No 4 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, in Ukraine, blew apart, spewing radioactive dust and debris far and wide.

Ever since, a 30 km 'exclusion zone' has existed around the contaminated site, accessible to those with special clearance only. It's quite easy, then, to conjure an apocalyptic vision of the area; to imagine an eerily deserted wasteland, utterly devoid of life.

But the truth is quite the opposite. The exclusion zone is teeming with wildlife of all shapes and sizes, flourishing unhindered by human interference and seemingly unfazed by the ever-present radiation. Most remarkable, however, is not the life buzzing around the site, but what's blooming inside the perilous depths of the reactor.

[link to www.cosmosmagazine.com]

It would seem that nature/earth in her wisdom has the abilities to create what she needs. rken
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A thread I thought you might like to get involved in. rken

Thread: I Am the original Majestic, am Back as Promised for the Coming Party!! (Page 2)
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Well, rken, I hope that invite is open for all.

Speaking of invitations, please note there is a BEZERK room from this thread open. If it closes, feel free to start a chat room where bezerkers are welcome to discuss anything and everything bezerk, and socialize too.

hf
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Deep in the radioactive bowels of the smashed Chernobyl reactor, a strange new lifeform is blooming.

WENTY-TWO YEARS AGO, on 26 April 1986, reactor No 4 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, in Ukraine, blew apart, spewing radioactive dust and debris far and wide.

Ever since, a 30 km 'exclusion zone' has existed around the contaminated site, accessible to those with special clearance only. It's quite easy, then, to conjure an apocalyptic vision of the area; to imagine an eerily deserted wasteland, utterly devoid of life.

But the truth is quite the opposite. The exclusion zone is teeming with wildlife of all shapes and sizes, flourishing unhindered by human interference and seemingly unfazed by the ever-present radiation. Most remarkable, however, is not the life buzzing around the site, but what's blooming inside the perilous depths of the reactor.

[link to www.cosmosmagazine.com]

It would seem that nature/earth in her wisdom has the abilities to create what she needs. rken
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GREAT to bring that article up again. It was mentioned here before, but did not get that much attention.


Quote article:
"But it's also the abode of some very hardy fungi which researchers believe aren't just tolerating the severe radiation, but actually harnessing its energy to thrive.

"Our findings suggest that [the fungi] can capture the energy from radiation and transform it into other forms of energy that can be used for growth," said microbiologist Arturo Casadevall from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Yeshiva University in New York, USA."



>>> Welllll that makes you think about many new forms of fungi and molt that have been reported, also in the very beginning of this thread.
Many people were afraid it was AUGIE ... NOPE it isnt.

In the line of your words Rken > "Mother nature knows best how to handle things " < we can speculate and maybe asume that the fungi and molt are linked to the many types of increased radiation that we are getting from space, becoz the space we are traveling through. And also becoz the earth is warming up and releasing different kinds of energy then before her expansion.
So the fungi could very well be an answer and reaction to the changes from space, the Earth's core, and from new weapons and technology that is being tested (and what is damaging the ozonlayer as well as possibly releasing radiation we are not being told about.)
The fungi are harnassing these NEW energies and turning them into different elements.

Most people are afraid of molt and fungi, but a lot of those species are doing a hell of a job for us !!!!


Quote:
"Fungi are weird, yes. They chow down on everything from decaying plant matter to the more exotic fare of asbestos and jet fuel. But being able to produce their own energy, independent of an actual food source, and use dangerous ionising radiation to boot? That's very new and very exciting, Casadevall says."


>>> Again NOT AUgie, but natural fungi ...

Quote:
"In 1999, a robot sent to map the inside of the reactor returned with samples of a particularly black fungi, indicating an abundance of the biological pigment melanin, which also colours your skin.

Though melanin is typically associated with 'protective' properties –
absorbing and safely transforming different electromagnetic wavelengths, such as DNA-damaging ultraviolet lightthe researchers had an inkling that a more extraordinary phenomenon was allowing the fungi to prosper; something still involving the combination of melanin and radiation, but beyond the bounds of radioactive protection.


After all, even without melanin, many fungi are intrinsically radiation-resistant."

>>> Wowwwww ..lol... The ATTRACTION to melanin !!!!


quote:
"Their hunch was bolstered by findings of melanised fungi, happily congregating in the cooling pools of functional nuclear reactors, and by studies of dark, 'radiation-seeking' fungi, purposefully growing towards radioactive particles in soil, particularly around Chernobyl.

The team looked to the example of photosynthesis as a model, said Casadevall. If plants can use the green pigment, chlorophyll, to absorb energy from the Sun and produce a usable form of chemical energy, they reasoned, fungi might be able to use their melanin pigment and radiation energy in a similar way. They even devised the snazzy moniker, 'radiosynthesis', for the process."


>>> Splashzones were area's where energy was comming into our reality to bring a change. Splashzones were linked to cherencov radiation, and linked with photons and neutrino's.
Both carrying the energetical data/info/signals from the substances (space, clouds of dust and plasma, stars, etc) they traveled through. (scientist from nasa say) They carry the new frequencies and new vibrations of space, the vibrations of worlds where aliens live that in our past might have been involved in our changements ... It is linking us all togetter, and preparing us and the Earth for the Big Alignment and the powerfull energies that will be transfered through all the alligned stars/suns and their planets.
WE as well as the Earth has to take or make changes in order to be able to stand these energies, and to adapt our wirings. (that is where tolomerase and liquid crystal fluids come into play to help out, in our own body ... but also an equivalent in the Earths body. And fungi are part of that !)
RADIO-SYNTHESIS !

We could discus wheter slpashzones are just the hit-zones of cosmic radiations and interaction-spots with our reality ...
or that it could (also) be spots where the Earth is sending her "troops" purposefully towards radioation particles in water and soil ??? In that perspective AUGIE is indeed one of her TROOPS ... a HELPER-organism to convert energy and radiation.
Is it strange that people who got in close contact with her in that pure radiation ABSORBING-state could have been falling sick ??? NO.
But the remark of OP/Aco that they (the sailors who survived) with a high level of melanin (!!!) develloped nano-morgellons, could also be becoz they also came in contact with the poisoned seawater containing "corexit + nanotechnology + Synthia" ....


quote:
"Melanin-containing fungi exposed to the radiation – even when nutrient-starved on purpose – grew significantly larger and up to 2.5 times faster than fungi without melanin and those not exposed to radiation.

According to Yeshiva's Ekaterina Dadachova, the nuclear chemist who led the study, "the presence of melanin in the cells gives them a distinct advantage over non-melanised cells, in terms of better growth [with radiation]."

"


>>> THIS ^^^ is the answer as to WHY MELANIN is SOOOO IMPORTANT for the survival of our species in the comming times of increasive radiations and frequencies !!!

quote:
"Dadachova's team also had a look at what melanin molecules were actually doing, searching for signs of active involvement in the growth process. They were able to show radiated melanin capable of boosting a type of reaction important in metabolism – called an oxidation-reduction reaction – four times faster when exposed to the influence of caesium-137.

They also saw a
change in the pigment's electronic structure. This, Dadachova says, is evidence "that melanin transformed part of the ionising radiation energy into the energy of electrons, which represents the 'chemical' form of energy [that] fungi could potentially use in their metabolism."

Taken together, the researchers think their results do indeed hint that fungi can live off ionising radiation, harnessing its energy through melanin to somehow generate a new form of biologically usable growing power."



>>> Need I say more ???

Rken you are A GENIUS for bring up this detailed info of something we just shortly looked at a few dozens of pages back !!!


quote:
"If they're right, then this is powerful stuff, said fungal biologist Dee Carter from the University of Sydney. The results will challenge fundamental assumptions we have about the very nature of fungi, she said.

It also raises the possibility that fungi might be using melanin to secretly harvest visible and ultraviolet light for growth, adds Casadevall. If confirmed, this will further complicate our understanding of these sneaky organisms and their role in ecosystems.

Radiation-loving fungi may also prove useful, according to Dadachova. Their
melanin gene, she said, might eventually be popped into food crops and used to help growth in difficult regions. And astronauts on long spaceflights might one day find a useful, self-replenishing diet in black, melanin-rich fungi. "


"And because the fungi don't actually 'eat' radioactive material, but simply use the energy it radiates, Dadachova said, they're in no danger of becoming radioactive themselves."


>>> bump

IF ... if Augie could be a bit related to this ... lol ... wow ... Tnx Rken !!!

The question could be discussed if a morphing (???) AU-based organism could be linked to fungi-properties, or to liquid crystal properties, or both ...
The "morphing" OP/Aco talked about could have been a REACTION to the changed enviroment and the lack of presure, nutritions and exposure to air and maybe even to certain bacteria in the air ... The morphing could have been an act of de-stabilisation due to these changes, but that in normal un-touched conditions in its own inviroment, it would stay stable and do its cleaning tasks. It might be very very posible that AUgie is also a CONVERTOR of energies, just like these fungi in the article !!!!

Its not becoz I wanna be right, but its logic and in line with the scientists research results in this article.
Seems that BHD, Rken and I could have been thinking/feeling/dreaming the right ways.


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MzK: "(Attention: I dont say that Fukishama happend coz of neutrino's ! No ! In my opinion that was a tactical punishment from TPTB for Japan hooking up with China after the opening of the briefcases.)"


I'm no expert on Japanese-Chinese affairs, but from the little I know and have dealt with, it is very unlikely that the Japanese and Chinese would ever pair up in partnership.

No offense is meant by the following statement which is my interpretation of these two cultures:

The Japanese are extreme racists against other orientals, and

The Chinese hate the Japanese.

American experience in Okinawa during WWII showed that the Japanese treated these intelligent people as dogs.

I just don't go along with the idea of "Japan hooking up with China..."
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Hello AC,

It was and is not only my own deduction, but also was/is the opinion of the OP/Aco of this thread.

the Japanes and Chinese seem to share the same ansestors and gene's.
If you read the BRIEFCASE-thread of NEXUS (he did a great job in making that info available in a seperate thread, nice and without BS) then you will see why I and the OP say these things.

yes Japan was previous allied with the ODESSA-fleet and "against" China, but after the briefcases od Oct 13th 2010 they changed their aliance, and asked the Odessa-fleet to retrieve and go elsewhere. 90 days were given for this action.
In the mean while the US presured and "threatened" Japan several times with sanctions.
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...


Below is a drawing I made of what d.d (pronounced dee dot dee)
looks like. It has muti-colored dots all over.

The one property that I know it has is that when energy is applied to d.d, as on a destroyer, battleship, aircraft carrier etc or submarine, it repels the water proportionally to the power.

When a submarine (or any craft) turns on the d.d the water is repeled from the skin and eleminates almost all of the drag. That is why they can achieve speeds in excess of 125 knots.

After a cruise the ship must be degaussed by wrapping a huge grounded chain around it.

The old formula of 1.34 times the square root of the waterline no longer applies to maximum hull speed.

[link to imageshack.us]


...


No, I have not.

All the best to you and your family.
 Quoting: johnlear


Wonder if only US subs have this covering? Does this skin and its properties, when viewed in context of reverse emp devices being employed by the Chinese, help to draw out ALL power from the sub perhaps? [HMS Astute]

Could this also be the source of the huge amounts of magnetic radiation experienced by the subs? Either early deployment by the Chinese, or interaction with the organism? The communication burst(s) either way between organism and home base interacting with these skins?

The general consensus was the skins were special in regards to anti radar and sonar, but as Lear indicates, the energy applied to the skin may create additional characteristics.

Would also lend some credence to the 'speeds' we worked out and - laughed at - regarding deployments.

Also, the d.d is ringing some bells for me, from really early discussions from the journals.
 Quoting: BadHairDay




in op's burst...something was said about this business of reverse emp weapons and how it can be focused on any ship or area...and then those Nomura jellyfish swarm and attack..

but didn't say it was only subs...more like any ship...let me quote the burst...


"Testss have shown that China now has the the ability with S.IM to direct millions/billions of jellyfish to attack/cling to to the hull of any surface
and subsurface target vessel and disable it(decommission/redundant)(translation problem). ..China has the ability with their new weapons::
(Reverse EMP or S.IM or Array) to create a type of "force field" around a target vessel. The vessel is then lit up like a beacon for the Nomura's
to home in and swim/move towards saID target or to terraform:.: a specific region/area"



It would seem to me that China having the ability to create a force field around any vessel, could/would cause quite the problem for any ship, and their functions not just subs. Once rendered dead in the water, they wouldn't need jellyfish to attack, all they'd have to do, is just let it sit there...didn't this type of thing also happen to a couple cruise ships last summer??...
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Hi breezy,

thanx for that snip.
But I, and others might be too, am confiused ... wasnt intelligent oil, or intelligent moving crystals, flocking around the hulls ?
Wasnt that the art and work of AUgie according to OP/Aco ?

Since when are jellyfish mentioned before by OP/Aco, besides by WOORDSTER ?

Are in your opinion these jellyfish "AUgie" controlled by the Chinese ?

Did JELLYFISH cauzed the reversed EM-Pulse by their forcefield around the vessel??

How would jellyfish "terraform" a specific area ????


I see :.: behind TERRAFORM, and that you have put the same "code" behind BEZERK in your starters post.
Can you explain us why you did it, and what it means ?
 Quoting: Krispy71



Wellll,
seems that OP/Breezy deleted my post from here thread.
I dont see WHY coz I asked polite valid questions.

Then Bro Nex-ed comes along :

breezy deleting valid questions ?
what a shame.
shows colors.

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frankly, i was hoping the OP would ban you from this thread - after all, we all know your single point of view - you've been saying the same perspective over and over and over since like page 430 on the BEZERK thread.

I've stopped visiting the BEZERK thread because I am sick of seeing everyone's posts being 'interpreted' and 'filtered' into the 'augie is good' point of view.

If I want to know what dots you've connected, I would go to the BEZERK thread, which you hijacked long ago - but I don't - and if you start filling this thread with your mumbo jumbo then I will leave this thread also.

OP please just ban Krispy from this thread, and anyone who wants to follow her stuff can do so at BEZERK.

I am over this dutch new ager and her going nowhere psychobabble.

thank you
 Quoting: nexuseditor


I was asking questions Nex, not posting my believes. And also not posting about connected dots.

Questions about the jellyfish etc ...

You can go to the origional bezerk-thread to check them out, I copied them there in my post that is removed here.

Removing posts or banning posters is not only proof of a 1-way policy, but also does not gets normal general questions answered.

I showed decent nice respectfull behavior in my post that was removed, so could you and Breezy.

xx MzK
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Again polite reaction ... but I think this one will be removed/deleted too ..

What good is a thread if you cant ask valid questions?





GLP