Proposal to Change the 14th amendment on "anchor babies" | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144256 Puerto Rico 10/28/2010 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a person is here illegally then their allegiance and citizenship is still with the country where they came from, hence their babies also are subjects to that country. Read the wording and it becomes clear. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction, as in being citizen or here legally, their babies are not citizens of United States. |
jamesofthecommons User ID: 1144719 United States 10/28/2010 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone in this country IS an anchor baby. The land belongs to no man. Fuck these euro colonistic draconian policies along with poverty driving nafta global policies. Wake up Amercia Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1048372The land belongs to the international corporations ! I understand what you are saying and I essentialy agree,but we are in the middle of a fascist revolution,that, because it was not stopped when it began,will not and can not be stopped now.Save yourelf and head for the hills. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1042753 United States 10/28/2010 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few decades ago, people just came to the U.S. from Europe without any identification, even. A lot of them were criminals fleeing prosecution. The U.S. just screened them for whatever diseases they might have and recorded whatever name the immigrant said their name was. Quoting: AndromedaNow the descendants of those people are not only venting their anger at "illegal aliens" who are capable people who come here to work, but they are also trying to change the constitution so that even people born on U.S. soil are aliens. What a crock of shit. Yet another problem. They don't get screened for health problems. They just show up in a hospital, potentially endangering american citizens. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144551 Australia 10/28/2010 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction, as in being citizen or here legally, their babies are not citizens of United States. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144256They are subject to US jurisdiction when they are in USA. If an illegal immigrant commits a crime in USA, they are tried under US law, not the law of the country they came from. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 902591 United States 10/28/2010 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if this 14th amendment existed in 100 years, none of you would EXIST right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144318Immigrants gave their loyalty and allegiance to the US and made it what it is today. They didn't send their earnings to their homeland or continue pledging allegiance to their homeland flag. There's a difference. They also raised their children to pledge their loyalty to America and learn ENGLISH! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 692708 United States 10/28/2010 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction, as in being citizen or here legally, their babies are not citizens of United States. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144551They are subject to US jurisdiction when they are in USA. If an illegal immigrant commits a crime in USA, they are tried under US law, not the law of the country they came from. The US Government does not abide the Constitution and never has, what the hell difference does it make if they change part of it or not? More bullshit distraction and the sheeple are going for it like always. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144256 Puerto Rico 10/28/2010 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction, as in being citizen or here legally, their babies are not citizens of United States. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144551They are subject to US jurisdiction when they are in USA. If an illegal immigrant commits a crime in USA, they are tried under US law, not the law of the country they came from. You are misinterpreting the phrase also. Subject to the jurisdiction is to be interpreted as a person belonging to a nation. (subject = citizen) Every person in any country is subject to the laws of that country, that doesn't equate to them having citizenship just because they are subject to their laws. |
Emmeric User ID: 1121862 United States 10/28/2010 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will never pass while democrats and republicans control the government. When blacks have identity it is called pride. When indians have identity it is called culture. When Jewish people have identity it is called history. When WHITES have identity it is called Racism. |
jamesofthecommons User ID: 1144719 United States 10/28/2010 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few decades ago, people just came to the U.S. from Europe without any identification, even. A lot of them were criminals fleeing prosecution. The U.S. just screened them for whatever diseases they might have and recorded whatever name the immigrant said their name was. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1042753Now the descendants of those people are not only venting their anger at "illegal aliens" who are capable people who come here to work, but they are also trying to change the constitution so that even people born on U.S. soil are aliens. What a crock of shit. Yet another problem. They don't get screened for health problems. They just show up in a hospital, potentially endangering american citizens. Let's create jobs by building health screening centers and hospitals on the border ! There are millions of American citizens right here at home, who for a variety of reasons,are not screenend for health problems.When these people become so sick as to have to ''show up at a hospital''they to, pose a risk to their fellow citizens.The issue you are concernend about is actually one common to all of humanity,and is hardly a valid argument against ''illegal''or legal immigration. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 883857 United States 10/28/2010 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get rid of the 14th amendment and the UN. Get rid of NAFTA, and all other trade agreements. Stop bilingual support in stores, dmv, etc... Regain the culture that once was the united States of America. Also get rid of democracy and move back to a Republic and I'll bet you this country returns to its once former glory. The immigration issue wont be an issue as there will be plenty of jobs. The US can self sustain on almost everything, few imports are really needed. |
jamesofthecommons User ID: 1144719 United States 10/28/2010 11:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get rid of the 14th amendment and the UN. Get rid of NAFTA, and all other trade agreements. Stop bilingual support in stores, dmv, etc... Regain the culture that once was the united States of America. Also get rid of democracy and move back to a Republic and I'll bet you this country returns to its once former glory. The immigration issue wont be an issue as there will be plenty of jobs. The US can self sustain on almost everything, few imports are really needed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 883857Yes get rid of NAFTA and all the other illegal trade agreements that we the people never approved. Let's regain the parts of our culture that did not include raceism,slavery,genocide and the persecution of the poor. ''Government for and by the people''well, that is democracy ! Yes the US can ''sustain'' it's self on it's own resources and labor,but you have to realize that capitalism is not about sustainance,it is about continously expanding profits,growth and the endless extraction of all available rescources.We live in a capitalist scociety,and our practice of capitalism brought about globalism ,which in turn brought about NAFTA and increased illegal and legal immigration from third world and developing countries.I hope you are starting to see the problem here ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1042753 United States 10/28/2010 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few decades ago, people just came to the U.S. from Europe without any identification, even. A lot of them were criminals fleeing prosecution. The U.S. just screened them for whatever diseases they might have and recorded whatever name the immigrant said their name was. Quoting: jamesofthecommonsNow the descendants of those people are not only venting their anger at "illegal aliens" who are capable people who come here to work, but they are also trying to change the constitution so that even people born on U.S. soil are aliens. What a crock of shit. Yet another problem. They don't get screened for health problems. They just show up in a hospital, potentially endangering american citizens. Let's create jobs by building health screening centers and hospitals on the border ! There are millions of American citizens right here at home, who for a variety of reasons,are not screenend for health problems.When these people become so sick as to have to ''show up at a hospital''they to, pose a risk to their fellow citizens.The issue you are concernend about is actually one common to all of humanity,and is hardly a valid argument against ''illegal''or legal immigration. Bullshit. We had nearly eliminated TB and malaria in the US, but cases here are on the rise again. Where? The border states. It's about quarantine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144805 United States 10/28/2010 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how many of you wanted to deny BRUCE LEE'S CITIZENSHIP??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144688Now there's a stunning argument. Yes, you're quite right, in order to honor Bruce Lee's memory, we must let millions and millions of wetbacks do whatever they wish with our country. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 945308 New Zealand 10/28/2010 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone in this country IS an anchor baby. The land belongs to no man. Fuck these euro colonistic draconian policies along with poverty driving nafta global policies. Wake up Amercia Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1048372I guess you are an immigrant. This crazy law has been changed all over, you can't do this in the New Zealand or Australia anymore, it is about time America got with the times! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 883857 United States 10/28/2010 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes get rid of NAFTA and all the other illegal trade agreements that we the people never approved. Quoting: jamesofthecommonsLet's regain the parts of our culture that did not include raceism,slavery,genocide and the persecution of the poor. ''Government for and by the people''well, that is democracy ! Yes the US can ''sustain'' it's self on it's own resources and labor,but you have to realize that capitalism is not about sustainance,it is about continously expanding profits,growth and the endless extraction of all available rescources.We live in a capitalist scociety,and our practice of capitalism brought about globalism ,which in turn brought about NAFTA and increased illegal and legal immigration from third world and developing countries.I hope you are starting to see the problem here ? A democracy is a government by the majority not by the people. A republic means everyone has to agree. The fact is, the majority has screwed us over and over again because they do not know what they do. They are just plain ignorant due to our education system making them that way and their own laziness. We move to a basic tenant of the common law system based on the premise do unto others what you would have them do to you. So you steal, then let the people steal back. You kill, let the people kill you. So on and so forth. Then again to have such a system you need real justice, not CORPORATE MARITIME JUSTICE. Outlaw the Babylonian system of commerce, outlaw borrowing on interest (it's a sin for a reason), and prevent debt based slavery! Yes Capitalism driven by sheer profits and always expanding is a problem. You can put healthy limits on it though to prevent such things. |
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jamesofthecommons User ID: 1144719 United States 10/28/2010 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few decades ago, people just came to the U.S. from Europe without any identification, even. A lot of them were criminals fleeing prosecution. The U.S. just screened them for whatever diseases they might have and recorded whatever name the immigrant said their name was. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1042753Now the descendants of those people are not only venting their anger at "illegal aliens" who are capable people who come here to work, but they are also trying to change the constitution so that even people born on U.S. soil are aliens. What a crock of shit. Yet another problem. They don't get screened for health problems. They just show up in a hospital, potentially endangering american citizens. Let's create jobs by building health screening centers and hospitals on the border ! There are millions of American citizens right here at home, who for a variety of reasons,are not screenend for health problems.When these people become so sick as to have to ''show up at a hospital''they to, pose a risk to their fellow citizens.The issue you are concernend about is actually one common to all of humanity,and is hardly a valid argument against ''illegal''or legal immigration. Bullshit. We had nearly eliminated TB and malaria in the US, but cases here are on the rise again. Where? The border states. It's about quarantine. The original TB and Malaria outbreaks came from Mexico ? Viruses,bacteria and other pathogens can originate almost anywhere, at any time.Again this is a problem faced by all of humanity, and not one that can be solved by changing immigration polocy.Do you remember the LEGIONAIRES disease outbreak ? |
daisey User ID: 1144811 United States 10/28/2010 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We really need to think about what we are doing..If we allow the Government to change our Constitution, They will start changing all of it to their benefit. I know that they haven't been following it, That is really all we have left when we fight back. "On Christ the solid Rock I stand! All other ground is sinking sand!" |
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Emmeric User ID: 1121862 United States 10/28/2010 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will never pass while democrats and republicans control the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 945308Crap, it is passing everywhere in the West, America is just slow about it. America is owned by those who are responsible for the genocide of white Americans. It won't pass here. When blacks have identity it is called pride. When indians have identity it is called culture. When Jewish people have identity it is called history. When WHITES have identity it is called Racism. |
jamesofthecommons User ID: 1144719 United States 10/28/2010 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes get rid of NAFTA and all the other illegal trade agreements that we the people never approved. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 883857Let's regain the parts of our culture that did not include raceism,slavery,genocide and the persecution of the poor. ''Government for and by the people''well, that is democracy ! Yes the US can ''sustain'' it's self on it's own resources and labor,but you have to realize that capitalism is not about sustainance,it is about continously expanding profits,growth and the endless extraction of all available rescources.We live in a capitalist scociety,and our practice of capitalism brought about globalism ,which in turn brought about NAFTA and increased illegal and legal immigration from third world and developing countries.I hope you are starting to see the problem here ? A democracy is a government by the majority not by the people. A republic means everyone has to agree. The fact is, the majority has screwed us over and over again because they do not know what they do. They are just plain ignorant due to our education system making them that way and their own laziness. We move to a basic tenant of the common law system based on the premise do unto others what you would have them do to you. So you steal, then let the people steal back. You kill, let the people kill you. So on and so forth. Then again to have such a system you need real justice, not CORPORATE MARITIME JUSTICE. Outlaw the Babylonian system of commerce, outlaw borrowing on interest (it's a sin for a reason), and prevent debt based slavery! Yes Capitalism driven by sheer profits and always expanding is a problem. You can put healthy limits on it though to prevent such things. Whether we have a republic or direct democracy,if the rights of minorities are not respected and protected,we all loose,because all of us will find ourselves part of a minority at one time or another. The so called ''Golden rule'' you are refering to has a fallacy.We should not suppose that other people want to be treated the same way we do ! While our laws may at times need to be based on real economic needs and material realities,those laws should not be desighnend to support nothing more than the pursuit of undue and uneeded profits and power. It has been said that capitalism is the only viable socioeconomic system possible ,partialy because of the claim that ''there are no free lunches in life.'' The truth of the matter however, is that life IS A FREE LUNCH ! It is from this truth that we should procede to fashion just laws and a socioeconomic system that works to support life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144688 United States 10/28/2010 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We really need to think about what we are doing..If we allow the Government to change our Constitution, They will start changing all of it to their benefit. Quoting: daiseyWe the People have the right to amend our Constitution whenever we want to. |
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Emmeric User ID: 1121862 United States 10/28/2010 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We really need to think about what we are doing..If we allow the Government to change our Constitution, They will start changing all of it to their benefit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144688We the People have the right to amend our Constitution whenever we want to. Not while the democrats and republicans control our country. You just try it. The police and arrests and tazerings would be a frenzy of abuse. When blacks have identity it is called pride. When indians have identity it is called culture. When Jewish people have identity it is called history. When WHITES have identity it is called Racism. |
jamesofthecommons User ID: 1144719 United States 10/28/2010 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We really need to think about what we are doing..If we allow the Government to change our Constitution, They will start changing all of it to their benefit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144688We the People have the right to amend our Constitution whenever we want to. I never even had a chance to read the US constitution before the founders passed it,but yet I am told that I must abide by that constitution ! |
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