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Once again you fail to see the point, if you don't take the time to critically study the wisdom of the past, you stay under the false assumptions that they were ruled by superstition.

This is the trap of the modern mindset, and it is creating just the opposite effect than you think, it is narrowing your understanding instead of expanding it.

Thanks for the link, downloading now. I have a wide open mind, but lots of filters to block bullshit as well.

So now it's aether, and not air, that gives us life. And yet you keep dismissing the fact that embryonic state is as much a part of the physical world and subject to any comsic influence as our concious physical state. According to your aether theory, to posit that the planets can imprint at a precise moment is ludicrous. I dare say that your explanation dismisses the idea of astrology much better than mine does.

No, I never said air, I said breath. I elaborated on my original position by explaining the Aether to you.

The point is that you do not BREATH in an embryonic state, you have not received your own personal blueprint but are in a symbiotic relationship where certain filters are in place.

Surely you can see the difference.

What is the point I failed to grasp? The wisdom of the past isn't alchemical mumbojumbo. There are THOUSANDS of books to read from the past with actual knowledge inside. I urge you to read about Hippocrates and ask yourself why he wasn't an alchemist one MILLENIUM before Cornelius Agrippa. Amusingly, I can say that YOU are a product of the dark ages.

I really don't see the argument you are making here. Earlier you said you didn't have time to read stuff from the "dark ages" but perferred the smarter 'modern' version. But now you're arguing with me abut whether Hippocrates was an alchemist and assuming I haven't read his work myself?

Where did I miss your point? Or are you just being a jerk for the fun of it?

And FYI, if you still haven't questioned the whole concept of the "Dark Ages" then you might be basing your whole argument on a falsehood.

I dont have time to read a "PhD" on occultism written 500 years ago. This sentence means that I completely disregard this book and do not want to read it in its modern or any form. I'm ASKING you to CONSIDER why hippocrates WAS NOT an alchemist 1000 YEARS BEFORE cornelius agrippa. Was hippocrates part of the TPTB conspiracy? Let me lol heartily. So why wasn't he an alchemist 1000 years before cornelius agrippa and sought to seperate religion from disease ? Why didn't he delve into alchemism to cure illnesses? Must have been too close minded probably.

And what do you mean questioning the concept of dark ages? Are you implying that something else happened during that time? Please elaborate, I'm intrigued.

Gotta be something to it, if the Royal household have their own astrologer down through history. So do the bloodline families use this science.

Llewellyn almanac told me that.

People who are on the top of pyramid take astrology&numerology seriously.

I think you have a pretty limited view of alchemy, you seem to have swallowed the modern concept of lead into gold or some such nonesense.
And I really don't know what point you are making about Hippocrates, you think that alchemical knowledge doesn't take on many forms that stretch back into history?
Do you not realize Hippocrates utilized the science of alchemy in his formation of medical arts to suit the new physical body?
Oh, and did the Dark Ages exists is a hot topic...goggle it.

Astrology makes one presumption..

That any event... at any given moment...

manifests the characteristics of that moment.

Astrology is simply a tool for defining the moment...


Astrology, like many occult practices, defaults to a larger understanding, geomancy.

Whether it's tea leaves, or the tarot, I Ching... it's all about observation.

Let me open a rather large can of worms here...

It is not the position of the planets relative to the constellations which sends out energy that influences us...

The position of the tea leaves or planets CAUSE nothing...

it is all SYMBOLIC... not cause & effect.


It is quantum physics / entanglement... specifically string theory... which connects all things of similar vibration.

In theory (geomancy)... you could study a small predefined section of the sky, or ground, or water... and if you studied it long enough, would find all the same info, as you would in an astrology chart...

When the Saturnian vibration of structure / foundation / discipline is 'disturbed'... all physical manifestations of that harmonic, are also effected....

A universal disturbance... all things being connected.



Hope this helps..

For myself, alchemy is the equivalent of astrology for chemists. Alchemy and astrology were the "forefathers" of chemistry and astronomy respectively. As man began to have a better picture of the environment, he abolished the "magical" properties and instead concentrated on the hard facts. This process took centuries though.

The point I'm trying to make is why alchemy wasn't the medium of healing for hippocrates compared to medicine IF alchemy is working. You can make all sorts of elixirs and cures as an alchemist right? I wouldn't say he used alchemical knowledge, more like a form of proto-chemistry which is what alchemy really is. What do you mean the NEW physical body? Also why doesnt a proponent of alchemy CAPTURE an alchemical reaction on VIDEO and present it to nonbelievers??? That would erase all doubts. I'm wondering why no one has come forth with this evidence.

As far as the dark ages existence is concerned, all I can find is the confusion regarding the first 300 years, 600-900AD. That's far from saying the middle ages did not exist at all. Maybe this is the problem with people here, citing out of context. However, I'll have to read more on the subject to form a solid opinion.

Well, I didn't say the middle ages didn't exists, so keep it real, alright?
Now, I too was raised to believe just what you do about alchemy and astronomy being 'superstitious' ways of viewing the universe.

The science of the spirit is what we have had hidden, and despite what you may thing it is not for the nursery, but revealing earnest knowledge of the world. You think alchemy of old needs to be proven on YouTube, which just shows you really don't understand the concept of alchemy is the purification of the human soul through initiation. That is an experience, not a formula.

As far as the debate about the Dark Ages goes, it is still a wide open field, but is certainly catching my attention since I became aware there were epochs in our history that resulted in culmination of certain schools of knowledge that have been buried by historians. To think that Rome and the church may have stomped out any record of a recent 'spiritual golden age' and dimiss all Arthurian legends as myth is not really a big stretch, is it? They have shown no mercy in stamping out all opposition to their struggle to control.

Maybe the scientists can be more accurate than the charlatans that spit out their garbage called astrology that is hardly every correct.

FWIW: Two more points...


PHYSICAL

Let me also add there is another "energy" at work here...

"nature".


Nature wants to balance.... everything!

Disturb it, and it will self correct... equilibrium.


When you have an intrinsic lack...

nature will attempt to balance... and bring you what you need.

Whether it be knowledge, understanding, nourishment... or a blanket.

You provide the vehicle for communication (impetus)...

and nature will provide you whatever is needed to return to equilibrium / balance.


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SPIRITUAL


The "dweller at the threshold" (ego) meets the "Angel the gate" (spirit).

The purpose of tools like astrology, is to open the understanding (of ego) to the infinite possibilities (of spirit)...

and eventually, to gain an understanding so intrinsic...

as to transcend the need for the tool (spiritual evolution)

It's a vehicle for the ego, and aids in the egos transition, and eventual SURRENDER to spirit (which ego may only do by CHOICE).

A step which can take many lifetimes...


Addressed with proper intent and discernment.... All roads lead to Love.

Seems like you're just a smart arse. Not sure if I want to explain it to you.

I thought you said they didnt exist because of this sentence "Oh, and did the Dark Ages exists is a hot topic...goggle it."

Ok you're talking about transcendence through alchemy? What are you initiated into? Sounds like the freemasons.

No it's not farfetched to think that the church has suppressed certain schools of knowledge, they acknowledge it themselves through the ecumenical councils where they suited the holy scriptures to their needs. But to make the leap and assume that these disciplines are true because the church hunted them down is a big stretch in my opinion

Seems like your knowledge of british-american words is extensive. Well done, chap

First of all, surely you know the difference between the middle ages and the dark ages? Good, then you will realize your arguement isn't really valid--I was refering to the 300-600AD period at all times, you're the one who fudged it up.

If you think that initiation is only a freemason ritual you have a lot to learn about our early history. No doubt it has been coveted by the masons since Egypt and adopted by related secret societies, but doesn't that make you wonder? Why is it so secretive? Maybe they know there is something very powerful in personal alchemical transformation that should not be common knowledge if control is the plan?

My initiation has not been through traditional sources but through synchronistic encounters with some of the few remaining true teachers on the planet. There are still plenty of opportunities to ascend the golden spiral, but you have to want them very badly for them to appear in your path.

I only read 1st page so this may have been mentioned previously. The planets relative to the earth change each year. Go forward exactly one year in time and the position of the planets are completely different than they are now. But our position relative to the Sun is nearly identical. The Earth's position relative to the sun is of great importance.

The above are parts of your previous posts, so we are talking about the dark ages. They span approximately 800 years from the fall of the western roman empire to the start of the renaissance in the 14th century.


I understand that initiation is necessary to keep a secret society hidden. The thing that makes me wonder is why those societies are supposed to give you super magical abilities and aren't simply circlejerking ponzi schemes of the highest degree.

Your initiation into what? What is a synchronistic encounter? A true teacher of what?

I know a lot about early history but I'm not really familiar with teachers or synchronistic encounters.

Modern occultism bears small resemblence to the ancient ceremonies, but they do nonetheless create viable influences on the uninitiated. No doubt much of it is bullshit, but the forces they wield have a solid basis of which most folk are ignorant...which is why even weak magic works against the populace, they have no idea that it even exists, so how can they counter it?

If you will study early history from an metaphysical point of view, you will see that teachers always walk the planet spreading secrets trying to keep alive the knowledge that has been hidden so long until the time for it is ripe again.

You might want to give it further thought before dismissing it all as superstitious nonesense, the universe is much stranger than you have considered, I promise.

Excerpt:


The body made up of millions of little living cells congregated into various organs, which should all work harmoniously together is an animal, the highest of all the animals. It is the highest because of the development of its brain; and because of that it is a fit tenement for the soul, the man himself. Thus the soul contacts, in the body, the highest sort of matter-life. In order that it may do that, that it may have that experience, is, according to theosophy, one of the reasons why it enters the body and shares the body's life from birth to death.

In order to understand its entry, let us imagine a countryman suddenly set down for the first time in the midst of a thronging city. People are hurrying in every direction; there are a thousand sounds at once, voices, the feet of horses, the roar of vehicles.

Accustomed to the quiet of the country, the man would be dazed by so much activity; he would hardly know himself. His usual current of thoughts would be broken up. It would seem to him as if he would never find his way through the maze of streets. Altogether it would be a sort of new birth for him, the confused beginning of a new life.

In the eyes of a new-born infant we can sometimes see signs of a similar bewilderment. The soul is just then beginning to enter the little body. The body is alive with the intense life of all its millions of active cells and organs. Besides all the growth and activity that is going on in the body itself, the senses are opening and stirring and bringing in all the new sights and sounds of the outer world. Is it not natural that in all this rush of new experiences, the soul should forget itself and the world it has just left?


To return to the illustration. After a while, beginning to understand his new surroundings, the man would begin to take pleasure in them and be absorbed in them. Laying aside all his old country habits and thoughts, he would enter thoroughly into the new life of the city. He would become accommodated to its ways and dive into the rushing stream of its business and activities. His nature might seem to change altogether and in a few years he might have lost all trace and almost all memory of having lived the quiet life of the country. And so again with the soul. During the first few years of its new life, after the first confusion has worn away, it becomes thoroughly absorbed in the life of the body. Its pleasures are those of the body; its aims are mostly to get more of these pleasures; its thoughts and feelings are all occupied with the world of which its body is a part. It thinks of the body as itself and of itself as the body. The higher life it had before birth is quite forgotten. And as it grows older into manhood or womanhood and the strain of our modern competitive life begins to be felt, its absorption into the world becomes completer. All its ambitions may be directed to getting things for the body's comfort and luxury. Its forgetfulness of the other life may be so complete as to lead to disbelief in it altogether, to materialism. At best, the memory of the other life is so vague that there are no details, no clear picture. It is so vague that we do not know that it is memory and call it faith. And for a reason which the man therefore cannot give to himself, but which is really this faith-memory, he accepts the accounts of the higher life which some one of the various religious creeds gives him. But curiously enough, though all the creeds speak of the soul entering a higher life after death, some of them say nothing of the soul leaving the same higher life at birth.


We can see now why the body is sometimes spoken of as the enemy of the soul. It tends to drown the soul's memories, the soul's knowledge of itself. It often paralyzes the will, substituting for the will some passion of its own -- for example, to get money or position. Such people are really slaves, not masters; though they only know their slavery when they try to free themselves, when they try to use their will to conquer the master passion. We must remember that though the body is an animal, it is an animal which has become humanized through the presence of a human soul in its midst. The soul lights up in it a higher intelligence than it could ever have gotten as a simple animal. And so it has thoughts and aims which are not possible to any of the simpler creatures below man. If the soul yields to it constantly, never asserting its will, letting itself be carried upon every wind of passion, the man may reach a point at which he gives not a single sign of being a soul at all. Some of these people are mere sensualists, the utter slaves of some degrading passion. But they may be highly intelligent, cruel, selfish and ambitious, without the slightest care for the welfare of any other person. The animal has won the battle of that life, and after death the soul's key to its own proper world is too rusty for use.

It is by resisting passions, by resisting selfishness, and cultivating compassion and brotherliness, by constant aspirations, and by trying to live the life of the higher nature, that the soul comes while in the body to a knowledge of itself and its immortality.

[link to www.theosophy-nw.org]


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Give me a link, anything, something to read, whatever

They must have been right when they said...

The whole universe is consciousness and every lifeform is part of it.
We are not only electrochemical processes and material.
There is far more.

Oddly enough, I believe they were... haha

Last Edited by Least Servant on 12/26/2010 04:18 PM

I think you help make the case by pointing this out. The subtleties would exist even before conception; perhaps slight modification to the egg and sperm over cyclical time account for their combined effects performing matching patterns. Thus astrology is not bogus, simply misunderstood and subject to retail interpretations. I found your insight refreshing, but your conclusion disappointing.

Earlier I posted a link to Rudolf Steiner, check it out.
Also if you want a 'textbook' on occult science, try the Rosecrucian Cosmo Conception for some basic insights..

[link to www.rosicrucian.com]