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aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 10/21/2011 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Nobel Prize for the Dark Side Quoting: aether 06 October 2011 On October 4, 2011 the Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to three astrophysicists for “THE ACCELERATING UNIVERSE.” Prof. Perlmutter of the University of California, Berkeley, has been awarded half the 10m Swedish krona (US$1,456,000 or £940,000) prize, with Prof. Schmidt of the Australian National University and Prof. Riess of Johns Hopkins University's Space Telescope Science Institute sharing the other half. The notion of an accelerating expansion of the universe is based on observation of supernovae at high redshift, known as The High-Z SN Search. Quoting: observationHowever, accelerating expansion requires a mysterious source of energy in space acting against gravity, dubbed “dark energy.” Calculations show that the energy required is equivalent to 73% of the total mass-energy of the universe! Historians will look back at science today with disbelief and amusement at the ‘science’ of today. Following equally mysterious ‘black holes’ and ‘dark matter,’ if we continue to discover darkness at the present rate we shall soon know nothing! ....................................cont [link to www.holoscience.com] you know i am beginning to get the feeling humanity requires something emotionally shocking as the consequence of this malevolent illusion Dark Matter Mystery Deepens Oct. 17, 2011 "Our measurements contradict a basic prediction about the structure of cold dark matter in dwarf galaxies. Unless or until theorists can modify that prediction, cold dark matter is inconsistent with our observational data," Quoting: science[link to www.sciencedaily.com] 600 Mysteries in the Night Sky Oct 18, 2011 NASA's Fermi team recently released the second catalog of gamma-ray sources detected by their satellite's Large Area Telescope (LAT). Of the 1873 sources found, nearly 600 are complete mysteries. No one knows what they are. Quoting: nasa[link to science.nasa.gov] is this confession time if it is is it to little to late feedback Out in the Cold Oct 21st 2011 Cold dark matter theory might be in need of serious revision. Quoting: observationDark matter theory is in the news again. Although cold dark matter (CDM) gets its name from the idea that it cannot be detected with any known instruments, cosmologists persist in using it to prop up their other ideas about how far away things are, how old they are, and what they are made of. This is done in order to save the prevailing gravitational theory of the Universe. Since CDM does not emit electromagnetic radiation in any bandwidth from radio to gamma rays, the only possible way to confirm its existence is by using the gravitational theory of the Universe to look for its gravitational effects on so-called “luminous matter.” As was noted in a past Picture of the Day, galactic rotation is considered anomalous by conventional astronomers, unless CDM is added to a galaxy’s gravitational mass. This undetectable matter is said to prevent all galaxies from flying apart. The astronomical community has been trying for years to understand why there is a lack of visible material in the Universe. Galaxy clusters, in particular, do not seem to be massive enough to hold together as a group. There is not enough gravity in the visible stars and gas clouds to account for their orbital velocities, as well as the consolidation of individual galaxies into clusters. According to most physicists, if CDM exists, then it ought to be a particle, since gravity is based on mass attraction. If CDM is holding the stars in their galactic orbits, and pulling those galaxies into clusters, there must be invisible particles causing those effects. ...............................................................cont [link to www.thunderbolts.info] It was of particular interest to see that there is a significant population of scientists/academics who consider CDM to be unsubstantiated, if not untenable. And yet despite this, CDM remains as a pillar of Standard theory and funding policy. Quoting: observationIt was slightly frightening to see that all those present were in no doubt whatsoever that Einsteinian Relativity is correct and that it was "so successful at predicting the expansion of the universe". Clearly, they can all see that something is wrong, but are so indoctrinated at such a fundamental level that they are unable to stand back far enough to see the problems clearly. It was even pointed out, and agreed upon, that Inflation is not completely understood (read they know it is entirely made up), but without it Big Bang Theory falls and expansion redshift would have to be re-examined. Yet they would rather put their faith in a theory that they know doesn't make sense, than abandon the theory that it is used to prop up. The major contributing factor to this farcical situation is the politics of funding, the politics of scientific employment and the politically policed peer review system in which ironically they clearly have so much trust in. |
A Muse Me User ID: 1492096 United States 10/21/2011 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | User ID: 2598483 United States 10/11/2011 09:37 AM Went back and started integrating from that point in this thread. It really is all right here. Sorry I often skim that which is difficult for me to “wrap my mind around”, i.e. freaking physics, then go back once consciousness is playing catch up. Consciousness was playing catch up while ‘fighting structure’ elsewhere. Yes, why are we so ‘repulsed’. What would make ‘she’ so repulsing? Oedipus complex does come to mind here but Freud missed the biggest of picture, the archetype. That is where he and Jung had their show down. Maybe everyone should reread the Power of Myth interview with Joseph Campbell. It is on line somewhere. Bill Moyers interview. Read it if you feel moved. Just might be remnants in there. Now this is that moment where depth is often mistaken for pathology. Dis-ease. ‘She' is dis-ease. The spiral in the center of the vortex. She can bring us into this world or take us out so to speak...of course we would be attracted or repulsed simultaneously. Simultaneous attraction and repulsion. One state. Not two. But ‘she’ is buoyancy. Not fixed or rigid. She is reversing course. The Center spiral. This must be the spiral that can move clockwise and counterclockwise ‘at will’ so to speak. The dark matter that can suck you in or spit you out. Now if she reversed course? The light show in the sky! What an awe of standing in the eye of the storm that would be. Not some magical thing but the 4 elements (somewhere back in the last few pages) moving from below to center and from above to center. These four elements meet back up. Propelling motion to 'move backwards or forwards up or down’. Chariot thing a few pages back. I believe I read somewhere that Hindu text is 12,500 years old. Yes I believe in the most 'natural state'...in evolutionary context...not hierarchal view..Cerridewen does stir her cauldron counterclockwise for the moment of expansion. The plasma in the cauldron is the center of the vortex. If she is reversing course back to counterclockwise well, yes, wouldn’t there be that mass moment of inertia? Wouldn’t we be feeling the 'static in the air’ so to speak? Binary. We can not see the direction the spiral is going. Perhaps only the electric light orchestra light show. That moment of stillness before reversal. And we would be fighting against that moment like in the throws of a temper tantrum. We can only sense our homing devise so to speak. We can not look down from the 'upper heavens’ back down to center or from ‘abyss’ up to center. Have we now discovered the elements of the ‘upper heavens’ and elements from the ‘abyss’ that cause real reversal though? I see no way to model/draw this damn thing like Sickscents says. Those elements coming from below to center and from above to center are real though. The ‘ancients’ released really could have tipped the balance. Yup, this is that batshit crazy moment caused from Elmer’s clue sniffing as a child for all of us being repulsed and attracted to our own dis-ease. Still something about the negative and positive stored in the negative while all are in motion as I hummed about before. The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind. |
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aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 10/21/2011 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes, it`s like when void and space are stripped out, as with dark matter etc , what is left is fields, their source and material universe so we get the right intuition but our traditional sciences and beliefs cloud our intuition with their enforced "laws" thus we end up trying to fit what we intuitively know into what our societies laws force us to accept is true the laws change but our intuition doesn`t because, like that post, our intuition knows, it`s the "laws" explanations that do not know thus do not fit |
A Muse Me User ID: 1492096 United States 10/21/2011 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes, it`s like when void and space are stripped out, as with dark matter etc , what is left is fields, their source and material universe Quoting: aether so we get the right intuition but our traditional sciences and beliefs cloud our intuition with their enforced "laws" thus we end up trying to fit what we intuitively know into what our societies laws force us to accept is true the laws change but our intuition doesn`t because, like that post, our intuition knows, it`s the "laws" explanations that do not know thus do not fit The double negative. We intuit because we are genetic memory of matter. Laws play catch up but stagnate in the push and pull. I suspect the double of the negative is that we also intuit that this information is known. The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1642958 United States 10/21/2011 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello A Muse, yeah, I was really feeling the effects yesterday. What a roller coaster ride of emotions that was, wow. Made me think of the churning you had picked up on as of late. As you described the manifestation of Sofia in the Gulf of Mexico disaster, the vertical vortex of crude that was the center of attention on the mass populace of the Western hemisphere for a while, I imagined that was the point of it's manifestation, to demonstrate the lack of wisdom on our part as a species as to how we go about reclaiming energy from nature in a hazardous and sometime destructive way. She wasn't finished there though as the same lesson was carried out in the Eastern hemisphere regarding the Japanese tsunami and the horizontal vortex of the waves that exposed our lack of wisdom as a species once again with regards to the carelessness of our use of nuclear energy and the loss of containment of poisonous radiation. Both of these micro (our individual minds) and macro (the global mind) happenings regarding that center around 'energy' both how we as individuals exchange it and how we collectively as a species harness it, is what's being churned over and hopefully refined IMHO. ------ |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 10/21/2011 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes, it`s like when void and space are stripped out, as with dark matter etc , what is left is fields, their source and material universe Quoting: aether so we get the right intuition but our traditional sciences and beliefs cloud our intuition with their enforced "laws" thus we end up trying to fit what we intuitively know into what our societies laws force us to accept is true the laws change but our intuition doesn`t because, like that post, our intuition knows, it`s the "laws" explanations that do not know thus do not fit The double negative. We intuit because we are genetic memory of matter. Laws play catch up but stagnate in the push and pull. I suspect the double of the negative is that we also intuit that this information is known. oh that`s clever wow i can see that now you show but that may mean we teach ourselves when we feel it is right to do so as in it may take an emotional event outside of us for us to decide "okay it`s time" does that make sense amm Last Edited by aether on 10/21/2011 01:53 PM |
A Muse Me User ID: 1492096 United States 10/21/2011 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello A Muse, yeah, I was really feeling the effects yesterday. What a roller coaster ride of emotions that was, wow. Made me think of the churning you had picked up on as of late. Quoting: BOWMAN As you described the manifestation of Sofia in the Gulf of Mexico disaster, the vertical vortex of crude that was the center of attention on the mass populace of the Western hemisphere for a while, I imagined that was the point of it's manifestation, to demonstrate the lack of wisdom on our part as a species as to how we go about reclaiming energy from nature in a hazardous and sometime destructive way. She wasn't finished there though as the same lesson was carried out in the Eastern hemisphere regarding the Japanese tsunami and the horizontal vortex of the waves that exposed our lack of wisdom as a species once again with regards to the carelessness of our use of nuclear energy and the loss of containment of poisonous radiation. Both of these micro (our individual minds) and macro (the global mind) happenings regarding that center around 'energy' both how we as individuals exchange it and how we collectively as a species harness it, is what's being churned over and hopefully refined IMHO. ------ Yes, the ocean has been our dumping ground. Make it go back into our out of site of the abyss of our mind. No wonder the Gnostics described for us what Sophia descended would be like rape. They really were foreshadowing genetic modification. Those “Archons” that people delusion as real. Fight those ‘blue-blood’ crustaceans. The defiling of ourselves as On the Origins of the World is describing. I suspect they were but the first microbe evolved with the blue coming from deoxygenated. Nothing more nothing less. The Gnostics describing creation and foreshadowing our self-fulling prophecy of destruction to rebirth at the same time. The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind. |
A Muse Me User ID: 1492096 United States 10/21/2011 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes, it`s like when void and space are stripped out, as with dark matter etc , what is left is fields, their source and material universe Quoting: aether so we get the right intuition but our traditional sciences and beliefs cloud our intuition with their enforced "laws" thus we end up trying to fit what we intuitively know into what our societies laws force us to accept is true the laws change but our intuition doesn`t because, like that post, our intuition knows, it`s the "laws" explanations that do not know thus do not fit The double negative. We intuit because we are genetic memory of matter. Laws play catch up but stagnate in the push and pull. I suspect the double of the negative is that we also intuit that this information is known. oh that`s clever wow i can see that now you show but that may mean we teach ourselves when we feel it is right to do so as in it may take an emotional event outside of us for us to decide "okay it`s time" does that make sense amm I don’t know, honey, my Southern coming out for you. We are nocturnal and working on feelers here. Likes eels that live mostly in crevices. The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1642958 United States 10/21/2011 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes, it`s like when void and space are stripped out, as with dark matter etc , what is left is fields, their source and material universe Quoting: aether so we get the right intuition but our traditional sciences and beliefs cloud our intuition with their enforced "laws" thus we end up trying to fit what we intuitively know into what our societies laws force us to accept is true the laws change but our intuition doesn`t because, like that post, our intuition knows, it`s the "laws" explanations that do not know thus do not fit The double negative. We intuit because we are genetic memory of matter. Laws play catch up but stagnate in the push and pull. I suspect the double of the negative is that we also intuit that this information is known. oh that`s clever wow i can see that now you show but that may mean we teach ourselves when we feel it is right to do so as in it may take an emotional event outside of us for us to decide "okay it`s time" does that make sense amm I don’t know, honey, my Southern coming out for you. We are nocturnal and working on feelers here. Likes eels that live mostly in crevices. Or like bulls in a china shop. It depends on the amount of grace administered. ------ |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 10/21/2011 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes, it`s like when void and space are stripped out, as with dark matter etc , what is left is fields, their source and material universe Quoting: aether so we get the right intuition but our traditional sciences and beliefs cloud our intuition with their enforced "laws" thus we end up trying to fit what we intuitively know into what our societies laws force us to accept is true the laws change but our intuition doesn`t because, like that post, our intuition knows, it`s the "laws" explanations that do not know thus do not fit The double negative. We intuit because we are genetic memory of matter. Laws play catch up but stagnate in the push and pull. I suspect the double of the negative is that we also intuit that this information is known. oh that`s clever wow i can see that now you show but that may mean we teach ourselves when we feel it is right to do so as in it may take an emotional event outside of us for us to decide "okay it`s time" does that make sense amm I don’t know, honey, my Southern coming out for you. We are nocturnal and working on feelers here. Likes eels that live mostly in crevices. i am grateful for it amm it does say what i translated and i believe you are correct we possess a mechanism (natural) that will prompt us to over ride 2 things are necessary for this mechanism to enact 1 is cause, there must be a motive as in : forces us the other is, there must exist something to override to/into (information) yes there must exist a credible alternative that resolves the motive clever amm, very |
A Muse Me User ID: 1492096 United States 10/21/2011 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: A Muse Me The double negative. We intuit because we are genetic memory of matter. Laws play catch up but stagnate in the push and pull. I suspect the double of the negative is that we also intuit that this information is known. oh that`s clever wow i can see that now you show but that may mean we teach ourselves when we feel it is right to do so as in it may take an emotional event outside of us for us to decide "okay it`s time" does that make sense amm I don’t know, honey, my Southern coming out for you. We are nocturnal and working on feelers here. Likes eels that live mostly in crevices. Or like bulls in a china shop. It depends on the amount of grace administered. ------ Just be glad my real name means “the gentle spirit” in Latin. A bull going through the china shop and not break the antiques at the same time. Wow. Gotta go. Have not done my homework for class. The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1642958 United States 10/21/2011 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: aether oh that`s clever wow i can see that now you show but that may mean we teach ourselves when we feel it is right to do so as in it may take an emotional event outside of us for us to decide "okay it`s time" does that make sense amm I don’t know, honey, my Southern coming out for you. We are nocturnal and working on feelers here. Likes eels that live mostly in crevices. Or like bulls in a china shop. It depends on the amount of grace administered. ------ Just be glad my real name means “the gentle spirit” in Latin. A bull going through the china shop and not break the antiques at the same time. Wow. Gotta go. Have not done my homework for class. : ) ------ |
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Le Palma User ID: 3358578 United States 10/21/2011 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello A Muse, yeah, I was really feeling the effects yesterday. What a roller coaster ride of emotions that was, wow. Made me think of the churning you had picked up on as of late. Quoting: BOWMAN As you described the manifestation of Sofia in the Gulf of Mexico disaster, the vertical vortex of crude that was the center of attention on the mass populace of the Western hemisphere for a while, I imagined that was the point of it's manifestation, to demonstrate the lack of wisdom on our part as a species as to how we go about reclaiming energy from nature in a hazardous and sometime destructive way. She wasn't finished there though as the same lesson was carried out in the Eastern hemisphere regarding the Japanese tsunami and the horizontal vortex of the waves that exposed our lack of wisdom as a species once again with regards to the carelessness of our use of nuclear energy and the loss of containment of poisonous radiation. Both of these micro (our individual minds) and macro (the global mind) happenings regarding that center around 'energy' both how we as individuals exchange it and how we collectively as a species harness it, is what's being churned over and hopefully refined IMHO. ------ Before and After the Oil Volcano tragedy the influence of the Gulf of Mexico was the Planetary. --------for example the Gulf Stream Current is the Conveyor belt of the entire Atlantic Ocean---------What goes into the Gulf of Mexico------then flows Out into the Oceans of the EArth----------The Gulf is the Water Pourer-------from its velocity------it forms several branches of currents in the Atlantic--- It is also curious to note that a company Involved in BP capitol and investments----is Called CERBERUS Capitol Mgt.LP [link to redicecreations.com] Cerberus is in Greek Mythology A 3- headed Dog --Guard (Sirius, Anubis) of the Underworld and Hades Abyss---he was the offspring of Echidna and the Dragon Typhon......... This Cerberus is referenced in the Movie Harry Potter and The Sorcerers Stone as the dog guarding a door in the floor going beneath the Castle (underworld) and leading to the Sorcerers Stone which is portrayed as a Red Ruby (Glass-Stone-bury)........ |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 10/21/2011 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello A Muse, yeah, I was really feeling the effects yesterday. What a roller coaster ride of emotions that was, wow. Made me think of the churning you had picked up on as of late. Quoting: BOWMAN As you described the manifestation of Sofia in the Gulf of Mexico disaster, the vertical vortex of crude that was the center of attention on the mass populace of the Western hemisphere for a while, I imagined that was the point of it's manifestation, to demonstrate the lack of wisdom on our part as a species as to how we go about reclaiming energy from nature in a hazardous and sometime destructive way. She wasn't finished there though as the same lesson was carried out in the Eastern hemisphere regarding the Japanese tsunami and the horizontal vortex of the waves that exposed our lack of wisdom as a species once again with regards to the carelessness of our use of nuclear energy and the loss of containment of poisonous radiation. Both of these micro (our individual minds) and macro (the global mind) happenings regarding that center around 'energy' both how we as individuals exchange it and how we collectively as a species harness it, is what's being churned over and hopefully refined IMHO. ------ Before and After the Oil Volcano tragedy the influence of the Gulf of Mexico was the Planetary. --------for example the Gulf Stream Current is the Conveyor belt of the entire Atlantic Ocean---------What goes into the Gulf of Mexico------then flows Out into the Oceans of the EArth----------The Gulf is the Water Pourer-------from its velocity------it forms several branches of currents in the Atlantic--- It is also curious to note that a company Involved in BP capitol and investments----is Called CERBERUS Capitol Mgt.LP [link to redicecreations.com] Cerberus is in Greek Mythology A 3- headed Dog --Guard (Sirius, Anubis) of the Underworld and Hades Abyss---he was the offspring of Echidna and the Dragon Typhon......... This Cerberus is referenced in the Movie Harry Potter and The Sorcerers Stone as the dog guarding a door in the floor going beneath the Castle (underworld) and leading to the Sorcerers Stone which is portrayed as a Red Ruby (Glass-Stone-bury)........ yes le palma i was just thinking this topic having received this e-mail a short time ago from stateside written by people whom believe they are aware [ You have seen the news, can you believe what is happening in the world today? Quoting: washingtonriots in uk, greece, and dictators being killed. "American hero" in libya being killed by his own people, wow. how are you? we will look deeper |
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aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 10/21/2011 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you know i am beginning to get the feeling humanity requires something emotionally shocking as the consequence of this malevolent illusion Quoting: aetherAs far as human emotions go, aether, vulnerability is much more difficult for us than grief. Quoting: observationmara (fear) agrees oh Quoting: aetheroh that`s clever wow i can see that now you show but that may mean we teach ourselves when we feel it is right to do so as in it may take an emotional event outside of us for us to decide "okay it`s time"" i am grateful for it amm Quoting: aetherit does say what i translated and i believe you are correct we possess a mechanism (natural) that will prompt us to over ride 2 things are necessary for this mechanism to enact 1 is cause, there must be a motive as in : forces us the other is, there must exist something to override to/into (information) yes there must exist a credible alternative that resolves the motive see where this is going Last Edited by aether on 10/21/2011 05:48 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1037270 United States 10/21/2011 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "attraction is the organizing principle of the universe." This means that, not only does "like attract like," but that attraction/repulsion is the method by which the universe operates.... Quoting: ammOr rather than attraction/repulsion, we could call it synchronicity/alienation. Quoting: ammkeep going with that amm until recently the structure of our universe was believed to function on attraction/repulsion as in :mechanical effects with the discover recently of the non material (fields) structures forming the material experienced and observed universe that we are it has crossed the minds of our good and great that repulsive/attraction we thought we were observing is in fact something else not least of all because no one can imagine our universe being formed by things that don`t like each other as in : makes one feel unwell and the other angry expressed within humanity anger drives domination unwellness drives submission I think fear drives domination and guilt drives submission. The dominator fears others will get the upper hand, so strikes out beforehand. The one who submits allows it for the sake of internal guilt as if it's deserved. The dynamic between justifies both and creates a circle of punishment that ultimately destroys both. The oppressor longs to be free of the responsibility of command. The submissive longs to be free of his chains. And rather than stopping the cycle that creates the dynamic, they'd rather stop the world, even if it means destroying the rest of us in the process. |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 10/21/2011 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the event we are forming are event(s) that focus upon our vulnerability not are death the reason now is because for 150 years we have possessed the information that allows us to override thus we are forming the breakdown event(s) without thought, intuitively it coincides , as it must, with our environment naturally altering and we will not resist it`s alteration , thus die, we will override and alter lifestyle utilizing our new to us information weirdly, to me, we need the cliffhanger to do it |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 10/21/2011 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "attraction is the organizing principle of the universe." This means that, not only does "like attract like," but that attraction/repulsion is the method by which the universe operates.... Quoting: ammOr rather than attraction/repulsion, we could call it synchronicity/alienation. Quoting: ammkeep going with that amm until recently the structure of our universe was believed to function on attraction/repulsion as in :mechanical effects with the discover recently of the non material (fields) structures forming the material experienced and observed universe that we are it has crossed the minds of our good and great that repulsive/attraction we thought we were observing is in fact something else not least of all because no one can imagine our universe being formed by things that don`t like each other as in : makes one feel unwell and the other angry expressed within humanity anger drives domination unwellness drives submission I think fear drives domination and guilt drives submission. The dominator fears others will get the upper hand, so strikes out beforehand. The one who submits allows it for the sake of internal guilt as if it's deserved. The dynamic between justifies both and creates a circle of punishment that ultimately destroys both. The oppressor longs to be free of the responsibility of command. The submissive longs to be free of his chains. And rather than stopping the cycle that creates the dynamic, they'd rather stop the world, even if it means destroying the rest of us in the process. good point bea that feels yuck beautifully said Last Edited by aether on 10/21/2011 06:03 PM |