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Fingulas User ID: 1271167 United States 02/19/2011 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EXCELLENT! I wish I could donate to the Koch Brothers. Public Employee unions have WRECKED this country. We can't fire them, we can't make them perform, we are forced to pay extravagant benefits. Fire the LOT of them, just like Reagan did with the Air Controllers. FYI: I've worked as a contractor in GSA and DHS. The union scum in these places couldn't qualify to sweep the grease pits in a McD's. You should HATE to be a government employee.. It should be the job of last resort. One you're looking to move out of as quickly as possible. It should pay VERY low wages and have NO benefits. Government should do very little and intrude in our lives as little as possible. Teachers Unions are particularly vile. They have become what amounts to a political arm of the DNC. This is how banana republics act, not well-run Republics. So GO KOCH BROTHERS! Jesse Jackson is a scam artist and a fake. So are these Union Thugs. BTW: If they think they've won this battle, once the 2 BILLION Wisconsin deficit effect cash-flow all those high and mighty teachers are going to be completely out of a job. We need to cut 50% or more of State and Federal budgets to make cash flow. You cannot raise taxes to cover this. You MUST make deep cuts. Unions that protest against even small changes are traitors. Abolish them! |
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ScrumpTheTexan Forum Administrator User ID: 1143284 United States 02/19/2011 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EXCELLENT! I wish I could donate to the Koch Brothers. Public Employee unions have WRECKED this country. We can't fire them, we can't make them perform, we are forced to pay extravagant benefits. Quoting: Fingulas 1271167Fire the LOT of them, just like Reagan did with the Air Controllers. FYI: I've worked as a contractor in GSA and DHS. The union scum in these places couldn't qualify to sweep the grease pits in a McD's. You should HATE to be a government employee.. It should be the job of last resort. One you're looking to move out of as quickly as possible. It should pay VERY low wages and have NO benefits. Government should do very little and intrude in our lives as little as possible. Teachers Unions are particularly vile. They have become what amounts to a political arm of the DNC. This is how banana republics act, not well-run Republics. So GO KOCH BROTHERS! Jesse Jackson is a scam artist and a fake. So are these Union Thugs. BTW: If they think they've won this battle, once the 2 BILLION Wisconsin deficit effect cash-flow all those high and mighty teachers are going to be completely out of a job. We need to cut 50% or more of State and Federal budgets to make cash flow. You cannot raise taxes to cover this. You MUST make deep cuts. Unions that protest against even small changes are traitors. Abolish them! +1 Great post. I am a Christian. Christian does not equal doormat or pushover "I Have Sworn upon the Altar of God... Eternal Hostility against every form of Tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson, Sep. 23, 1800 The Election of Donald John Trump: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] For previous Newsletters, click 'Scrump's News Letters' @ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
DERAIL (OP) User ID: 1080525 United States 02/19/2011 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're blaming them for being too efficient? Hell, look at obama's dinner with jobs, and other billionaires that do majority of manufacturing overseas. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1262239Liberal hypocrite idiot. WHO IN THE FUCK SAID I'm A LIBERAL? WHO IN THE FUCK SAID "I'M BLAMING THEM..." I post news that I see. You stupid DICK Last Edited by DERAIL on 02/19/2011 07:40 PM / |
JF Priest User ID: 1069469 United States 02/19/2011 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EXCELLENT! I wish I could donate to the Koch Brothers. Public Employee unions have WRECKED this country. We can't fire them, we can't make them perform, we are forced to pay extravagant benefits. Quoting: Fingulas 1271167Fire the LOT of them, just like Reagan did with the Air Controllers. FYI: I've worked as a contractor in GSA and DHS. The union scum in these places couldn't qualify to sweep the grease pits in a McD's. You should HATE to be a government employee.. It should be the job of last resort. One you're looking to move out of as quickly as possible. It should pay VERY low wages and have NO benefits. Government should do very little and intrude in our lives as little as possible. Teachers Unions are particularly vile. They have become what amounts to a political arm of the DNC. This is how banana republics act, not well-run Republics. So GO KOCH BROTHERS! Jesse Jackson is a scam artist and a fake. So are these Union Thugs. BTW: If they think they've won this battle, once the 2 BILLION Wisconsin deficit effect cash-flow all those high and mighty teachers are going to be completely out of a job. We need to cut 50% or more of State and Federal budgets to make cash flow. You cannot raise taxes to cover this. You MUST make deep cuts. Unions that protest against even small changes are traitors. Abolish them! +1 Great post. I am going to disagree with you on this... I am a state Union Worker..(Pa)..I make 33,000 a year and have great health benefits... When I chose to work for the state of Pa for less money ..I did so because they had great benefits...Now there is a movement in the USA (Which Started in Europe)..To break up the Unions and Cut our health benefits(Make us pay more)..I will say to anyone who wants to take my heard earned benefits away..It is not me It is the Bankers...Do you realize what I take home after Federal, state and local taxes... Contributions to my Insurance, pension and Union dues...??? Not A Fucking Hell of a Lot...Fucking Prices )Inflation) are going through the roof...and you want to take from me ???? From My Cold Dead Hands Mother Fuckers...Its THE FUCKING BANKERS... It Only Hurts If You Care... |
JF Priest User ID: 1069469 United States 02/19/2011 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is the majority of the PEOPLE of Wisconsin who are against the greedy union members. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1222180I wouldn't say greedy union members, I would say greedy union executives. great I have been looking for a place to talk about this subject.....I think it Sucks that the Democratic legislature of Wisconsin ran off to Illinois To avoid voting on the measure..(One report said they could stay away for weeks..BFD..What is that going to solve...) I think the teachers should get back in the classroom and teach..Wisconsin ranks as one of the worst states for teaching scores...(But we all know that Public education has been dummbed down on purpose for years..Charlotte Iserbyt "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America")....Alex Jones covered part of this on his Fri Show...The TEA Party Should NOT picket the Protesting Teachers..I support the real TEA party...But stay out of the Union Busting Issue...Now what I do want to Concentrate on is this issue...FUCK the Governor...There was a signed contract with the State workers and the State..(For the Benefits and Salary) Who the hell is he to come in and tell the working man to give anything up??? Work for nothing and live in a hole You rich elitist bastard...(I am all for cutting taxes and reducing the size and cost of Govt.. But not on the backs of the average working person... Remember who got you into this mess???THE Bankers... It Only Hurts If You Care... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1262239 United States 02/19/2011 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're blaming them for being too efficient? Hell, look at obama's dinner with jobs, and other billionaires that do majority of manufacturing overseas. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1262239Liberal hypocrite idiot. WHO IN THE FUCK SAID I'm A LIBERAL? WHO IN THE FUCK SAID "I'M BLAMING THEM..." I post news that I see. You stupid DICK Well excuse me! Go have a few shots of everclear. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1271190 United States 02/19/2011 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EXCELLENT! I wish I could donate to the Koch Brothers. Public Employee unions have WRECKED this country. We can't fire them, we can't make them perform, we are forced to pay extravagant benefits. Quoting: Fingulas 1271167Fire the LOT of them, just like Reagan did with the Air Controllers. FYI: I've worked as a contractor in GSA and DHS. The union scum in these places couldn't qualify to sweep the grease pits in a McD's. You should HATE to be a government employee.. It should be the job of last resort. One you're looking to move out of as quickly as possible. It should pay VERY low wages and have NO benefits. Government should do very little and intrude in our lives as little as possible. Teachers Unions are particularly vile. They have become what amounts to a political arm of the DNC. This is how banana republics act, not well-run Republics. So GO KOCH BROTHERS! Jesse Jackson is a scam artist and a fake. So are these Union Thugs. BTW: If they think they've won this battle, once the 2 BILLION Wisconsin deficit effect cash-flow all those high and mighty teachers are going to be completely out of a job. We need to cut 50% or more of State and Federal budgets to make cash flow. You cannot raise taxes to cover this. You MUST make deep cuts. Unions that protest against even small changes are traitors. Abolish them! +1 Great post. Absolutely 100% correct... very well put. Fuck the unions all day long. I am a union member by force.. I am a W2 employee of my own company (actually in my wifes name) to skirt the union rules.. you can't be in the union and have a financial interest in the company (what kind of fucking sense does that make) So it was my union reps idea to skirt the rules... they don't give a rats ass about the members.. it's all about their skim. The pittance that the members pay is nothing compared to how much it costs the employer to be a union employer. It costs me $20,000 per year per employee to be a union shop. That figure includes health insurance, but it's not the greatest insurance, and you are forced to take it whether you need it or not. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34583 United States 02/19/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who does the government work for. the people or union workers? If these people don't feel appreciated they can quit. Maybe a few will start a business and actually produce something instead of shuffling the deck from those who do produce. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1262239 United States 02/19/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EXCELLENT! I wish I could donate to the Koch Brothers. Public Employee unions have WRECKED this country. We can't fire them, we can't make them perform, we are forced to pay extravagant benefits. Quoting: Fingulas 1271167Fire the LOT of them, just like Reagan did with the Air Controllers. FYI: I've worked as a contractor in GSA and DHS. The union scum in these places couldn't qualify to sweep the grease pits in a McD's. You should HATE to be a government employee.. It should be the job of last resort. One you're looking to move out of as quickly as possible. It should pay VERY low wages and have NO benefits. Government should do very little and intrude in our lives as little as possible. Teachers Unions are particularly vile. They have become what amounts to a political arm of the DNC. This is how banana republics act, not well-run Republics. So GO KOCH BROTHERS! Jesse Jackson is a scam artist and a fake. So are these Union Thugs. BTW: If they think they've won this battle, once the 2 BILLION Wisconsin deficit effect cash-flow all those high and mighty teachers are going to be completely out of a job. We need to cut 50% or more of State and Federal budgets to make cash flow. You cannot raise taxes to cover this. You MUST make deep cuts. Unions that protest against even small changes are traitors. Abolish them! +1 Great post. I am going to disagree with you on this... I am a state Union Worker..(Pa)..I make 33,000 a year and have great health benefits... When I chose to work for the state of Pa for less money ..I did so because they had great benefits...Now there is a movement in the USA (Which Started in Europe)..To break up the Unions and Cut our health benefits(Make us pay more)..I will say to anyone who wants to take my heard earned benefits away..It is not me It is the Bankers...Do you realize what I take home after Federal, state and local taxes... Contributions to my Insurance, pension and Union dues...??? Not A Fucking Hell of a Lot...Fucking Prices )Inflation) are going through the roof...and you want to take from me ???? From My Cold Dead Hands Mother Fuckers...Its THE FUCKING BANKERS... Who started Federal Reserve? Liberal President Wilson. yep.... bankers working with liberals... hmmm... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1271190 United States 02/19/2011 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who does the government work for. the people or union workers? If these people don't feel appreciated they can quit. Maybe a few will start a business and actually produce something instead of shuffling the deck from those who do produce. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34583Who does the government work for. the people or union workers? If these people don't feel appreciated they can quit. Maybe a few will start a business and actually produce something instead of shuffling the deck from those who do produce. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34583Right on! |
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ScrumpTheTexan Forum Administrator User ID: 1143284 United States 02/19/2011 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its THE FUCKING BANKERS Quoting: JF PriestI know who it is JF... And I've dealt with & worked with Union guys all of my adult life man... I don't blame the blue-collar guys... but regardless of how long you've been in a State Union, State & Federal Unions shouldn't have EVER been allowed to exist in the United States. Btw... The same guys backing 'The Bankers' are the same guys backing the Unions today dude... ugly but True. ^Bagman^ I am a Christian. Christian does not equal doormat or pushover "I Have Sworn upon the Altar of God... Eternal Hostility against every form of Tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson, Sep. 23, 1800 The Election of Donald John Trump: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] For previous Newsletters, click 'Scrump's News Letters' @ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Comedian User ID: 1269703 United States 02/19/2011 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EXCELLENT! I wish I could donate to the Koch Brothers. Public Employee unions have WRECKED this country. We can't fire them, we can't make them perform, we are forced to pay extravagant benefits. Quoting: Fingulas 1271167Fire the LOT of them, just like Reagan did with the Air Controllers. FYI: I've worked as a contractor in GSA and DHS. The union scum in these places couldn't qualify to sweep the grease pits in a McD's. You should HATE to be a government employee.. It should be the job of last resort. One you're looking to move out of as quickly as possible. It should pay VERY low wages and have NO benefits. Government should do very little and intrude in our lives as little as possible. Teachers Unions are particularly vile. They have become what amounts to a political arm of the DNC. This is how banana republics act, not well-run Republics. So GO KOCH BROTHERS! Jesse Jackson is a scam artist and a fake. So are these Union Thugs. BTW: If they think they've won this battle, once the 2 BILLION Wisconsin deficit effect cash-flow all those high and mighty teachers are going to be completely out of a job. We need to cut 50% or more of State and Federal budgets to make cash flow. You cannot raise taxes to cover this. You MUST make deep cuts. Unions that protest against even small changes are traitors. Abolish them! +100 Roger that. Don't run. You'll just die tired. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1130234 United States 02/19/2011 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Union teachers in Milwaukee make $56,000, which is just short of triple the average incomes of Milwaukee residents ($19,000). Including benefits, those teachers make $105,000 per year. A liberal acquaintance told me today that they need to stop giving all the tax breaks to billionaires like Koch, but the people making $19,000 a year don't pay any taxes, instead they actually get a check from the government in the form of a tax rebate! That's income redistribution, that's not American ideals, that's socialism, that's the liberal/socialist agenda trying to steal from the job producers and get a check to everybody so they can buy their votes and stay in power. The liberals don't give a fuck about you or your family, they care about keeping you hooked on free money so they can stay in power. If you tow the union line you are a brain-washed useful idiot to the greedy corrupt libs and union bosses. Did I mention that I am a registered Democrat and a union member? Use your heads people, look at the whole picture, don't buy what these people are cramming down your throat... they are controlling you! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271190This is a blatant lie. A study on this issue was just released a week ago that exposes it: “On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers.” [link to www.payscale.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1136686 Canada 02/19/2011 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd like to see unions outlawed completely, personally. They served their purpose back in the day, but now we have minimum wage, statutory holidays, labor laws and other protections for workers. No need for a mafia-like syndicate to get in the way to "protect" workers (in exchange for union dues, of course). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1252153 United States 02/19/2011 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Union teachers in Milwaukee make $56,000, which is just short of triple the average incomes of Milwaukee residents ($19,000). Including benefits, those teachers make $105,000 per year. A liberal acquaintance told me today that they need to stop giving all the tax breaks to billionaires like Koch, but the people making $19,000 a year don't pay any taxes, instead they actually get a check from the government in the form of a tax rebate! That's income redistribution, that's not American ideals, that's socialism, that's the liberal/socialist agenda trying to steal from the job producers and get a check to everybody so they can buy their votes and stay in power. The liberals don't give a fuck about you or your family, they care about keeping you hooked on free money so they can stay in power. If you tow the union line you are a brain-washed useful idiot to the greedy corrupt libs and union bosses. Did I mention that I am a registered Democrat and a union member? Use your heads people, look at the whole picture, don't buy what these people are cramming down your throat... they are controlling you! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271190Complete and utter BS. Nice try. Next. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1252153 United States 02/19/2011 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely 100% correct... very well put. Fuck the unions all day long. I am a union member by force.. I am a W2 employee of my own company (actually in my wifes name) to skirt the union rules.. you can't be in the union and have a financial interest in the company (what kind of fucking sense does that make) So it was my union reps idea to skirt the rules... they don't give a rats ass about the members.. it's all about their skim. The pittance that the members pay is nothing compared to how much it costs the employer to be a union employer. It costs me $20,000 per year per employee to be a union shop. That figure includes health insurance, but it's not the greatest insurance, and you are forced to take it whether you need it or not. More complete and utter BS. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1252153 United States 02/19/2011 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As the nation focuses on the efforts of Governor Scott Walker to take away collective bargaining rights from public employees in Wisconsin, new information is coming to light that reveals what is truly going on here. Quoting: DERAILMother Jones is reporting that much of the funding behind the Walker for Governor campaign came from none other than uber-conservatives, the infamous Koch Brothers. What’s more, the plan to kill the unions is right out of the Koch Brothers play book. Koch-backed groups like Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Reason Foundation have long taken a very antagonistic view toward public-sector unions. Several of these groups have urged the eradication of these unions. The Kochs also invited Mark Mix, president of the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, an anti-union outfit, to a June 2010 confab in Aspen, Colorado; Via Mother Jones If you are reluctant to believe that this is a coordinated attack, consider this- Read more here: [link to blogs.forbes.com] Why are the Koch Brothers so interested in Wisconsin? They are a major business player in the state. This from Think Progress: Koch owns a coal company subsidiary with facilities in Green Bay, Manitowoc, Ashland and Sheboygan; six timber plants throughout the state; and a large network of pipelines in Wisconsin. While Koch controls much of the infrastructure in the state, they have laid off workers to boost profits. At a time when Koch Industries owners David and Charles Koch awarded themselves an extra $11 billion of income from the company, Koch slashed jobs at their Green Bay plant: Officials at Georgia-Pacific said the company is laying off 158 workers at its Day Street plant because out-of-date equipment at the facility is being replaced with newer, more-efficient equipment. The company said much of the new, papermaking equipment will be automated. [...] Malach tells FOX 11 that the layoffs are not because of a drop in demand. In fact, Malach said demand is high for the bath tissue and napkins manufactured at the plant. Great post. |
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