[PIN] Alert!! How Elenin causes earthquake - 138x Tidal Force in late Sep than Mar 11!!! | |
^Watcher^ User ID: 1383718 United States 05/18/2011 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! Quoting: ^Watcher^When Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Yes, let's see. I hope you are right. This event on Fri can verify whether Elenin has strong gravitational field. (If Elenin doesn't, it still may have strong electromagnetic field. But it would be TRICKY to analyze) But can we observe those two objects (Elenin / RQ176) directly on the sky with civilian telescopes or just read from official source? If we want to overthrown the fact that 3 M8+ EQs in the past 2 years are very likely to be induced by Elenin, we need solid evidence to prove the Elenin is harmless. If our only access to information is through "official sources", I am going to have a real problem with that. Does anyone here possibly think "they" are going to tell us if real danger is headed our way?! I don't! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1294496 Canada 05/18/2011 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you check to see if the same held true for the Haiti earthquake?? Quoting: AmazingGRACE[link to www.solarsystemscope.com] Check out the alignment for May 20-21: Jupiter Mars Venus Mercury Earth Is Elenin anywhere in this alignment?? |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Sun is too large to be effected by small bodies. The Sun is effected by larger things like galaxies, dust fields, and stellar planes. Only when up close can small bodies effect it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 997861For something to effect the Sun it must be a large or dense/medium large entity. jmo Nope. For example, Sun is rotating around the barycenter with Jupiter (mostly) and other planets. |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Off the topic OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276706Whatever happened to teacher Wang? What news of him? Haha... I don't know. I don't think he is a nice person because he said that he wouldn't share food to other people when SHTF |
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Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Sun is too large to be effected by small bodies. The Sun is effected by larger things like galaxies, dust fields, and stellar planes. Only when up close can small bodies effect it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 997861For something to effect the Sun it must be a large or dense/medium large entity. jmo Actually, I think sunspots are caused by the planets. It's cyclical just like their orbital patterns! What events unfold to cause solar max/min period??? Hey, you can find paper written in Chinese by Chinese scientists if you are from China. I can't type Chinese in GLP. Search tidal force and sun spots in Chinese. Last Edited by Geophysical Events on 05/18/2011 11:40 AM |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, let's see. I hope you are right. This event on Fri can verify whether Elenin has strong gravitational field. (If Elenin doesn't, it still may have strong electromagnetic field. But it would be TRICKY to analyze) Quoting: Geophysical EventsBut can we observe those two objects (Elenin / RQ176) directly on the sky with civilian telescopes or just read from official source? If we want to overthrown the fact that 3 M8+ EQs in the past 2 years are very likely to be induced by Elenin, we need solid evidence to prove the Elenin is harmless. If our only access to information is through "official sources", I am going to have a real problem with that. Does anyone here possibly think "they" are going to tell us if real danger is headed our way?! I don't! If they spent TRILLIONS of taxpayers' money to build bunkers, of course they won't tell the truth. Astronut shows a good chance to verify it independently, I appreciate that. |
Antares User ID: 1064752 Canada 05/18/2011 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Off topic, but somehow seems relevant... Quoting: AntaresAn old theory of mine that I've been working on... Though it seems to be grasping at straws, nonetheless, it's a workable theory. "First thing to understand is; all measurements of time are calculated by our perception of "earth time". Universal time is unknown, due to not knowing when it started. Secondly, this is only a theory!! Based on Earth time, the previous calculations of planetary orbits have given a general aging equation of all nine known planets. In Earth time, Sol has a rotational period of 25 Earth days; this is the amount of time it takes for Sol to rotate around itself. It's determined as a year due to Sol being the center point. This time period is a Solar year. Sol- 1r/ 25.4=1Sy o- Orbital Period (days to orbit) Pr- Planetary Rotation Sy- Solar Year (25.4 days) S/P ra- Sol/Planet Ratio I have calculated the S/P ratio for each of the nine known planets, as well as their ages in relation to how many rotations Sol has completed. Sol and Mercury have a ratio of 3.5:1 Sol rotates 3.5 times for every 1 Mercury orbit. With this ratio, Mercury ages 3.5 Solar years with every orbit. Mercury o= 87.6= 1Pr o x Sy= 3.5 ra= 3.5:1 The proposed aging sequence of Mercury would be 3.5 years per planetary orbit. Venus; 9 years per orbit o= 226.3= 1Pr o x Sy= 9.04 ra= 9:1 Earth; 14 years per orbit o= 365= 1Pr o x Sy= 14.6 ra=14:1 Mars; 15 years per orbit o= 375.9= 1Pr o x Sy= 15.04 ra= 15:1 Jupiter; 174 years per orbit o= 4343.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 173.7 ra= 174:1 Saturn; 429 years per orbit o= 10731= 1Pr o x Sy= 429 ra= 429:1 Uranus; 1222 years per orbit o= 30550.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 1222 ra= 1222:1 Neptune; 2390 years per orbit o= 59750.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 2390 ra= 2390:1 Pluto/Charon; 3621 years per orbit o= 90520= 1Pr o x Sy= 3621:1 **Notice that Pluto/Charon have an orbital period of 3621 Solar years!** We age 14.6 Solar years for every Earth year. How old are you??" And what is the orbital period for Sedna and Quaor? Great work by the way and no, you are so not delusional. dont ever think that for a moment. Is it a coincidence that Jupiter is in sync with Sol Min/Max? Outside of Our heliosphere what other events are synchronized with this? I don't believe in coincidences! The Oort cloud, which also has a gravitational influence because it is rotating as well, possibly opposite of the Sun. My reason to conclude that is because the retrograde rotation of Venus proves it could be probable. There's a good chance that the Oort cloud and Venus rotate at the same rate.. Just a hunch! |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you check to see if the same held true for the Haiti earthquake?? Quoting: AmazingGRACE[link to www.solarsystemscope.com] Check out the alignment for May 20-21: Jupiter Mars Venus Mercury Earth Is Elenin anywhere in this alignment?? No, and I don't think Jupiter is aligned. Besides, Sun is not involved so the hypothesis in this thread can NOT explain anything that may happen in May 21 You can use this to check the orbits [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov] Have fun Last Edited by Geophysical Events on 05/18/2011 11:57 AM |
Anony User ID: 1388808 United States 05/18/2011 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you check to see if the same held true for the Haiti earthquake?? Quoting: AmazingGRACE[link to www.solarsystemscope.com] Check out the alignment for May 20-21: Jupiter Mars Venus Mercury Earth Is Elenin anywhere in this alignment?? No, and I don't think Jupiter is aligned. Besides, Sun is not involved so the hypothesis in this thread can NOT explain anything that may happen in May 21 You can use this to check the orbits [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov] Have fun That is because the only thing that will happen is that it will turn into May 22. And the Sun does explain that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1387561 Malaysia 05/18/2011 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good investigation but it rather inconclusive and i respectfully disagree. Just sit tight and enjoy the show. (if im wrong well... see you in heaven :D ):peace: |
Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1322561 United States 05/18/2011 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I will apologize to you if that asteroid is unperturbed come Saturday (this date is looking more and more interesting lately...hehe). BUT if it IS perturbed then we expect you to come here and admit YOU were wrong! Quoting: ^Watcher^As always, I am at the mercy of the data. Time and time again it has proven me right, and I have yet to see a reason why this time would be any different. If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it and work to calculate Elenin's mass (which would be easily doable if the asteroid were detectably perturbed). If it weren't for me you wouldn't even know to check this. If I'm right, I'll hold you to your apology. Last Edited by Astromut on 05/18/2011 12:10 PM |
Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1322561 United States 05/18/2011 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But can we observe those two objects (Elenin / RQ176) directly on the sky with civilian telescopes or just read from official source? Quoting: Geophysical EventsYes, we can observe them with civilian scopes. Ideally, the GLP main scope would be up and running at least in initial tests by then, but I'm not relying on that happening as I haven't even asked Trinity if that's a possibility or not. If I can get my telescope own set up at a dark enough site and use my SLR camera I can do a very long exposure until the asteroid shows up in the image - this asteroid is considerably dimmer right now than even Elenin. I will also see if I can get an image from SLOOH that shows it. Any image I can get of it will be from a civilian telescope, not an official source. From there it's simply a matter of performing astrometry and reading the result. |
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Antares User ID: 1064752 Canada 05/18/2011 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | great effort by the OP. However. There is so much that we dont know and dont understand. And believe me 0.2 AU is A LOT!! the distance is huge so at least from the impact perspective we are more than saved. Now for the mass/magnetic pull, space time variation etc. We need to know with certainty the mass of the object, and of course its size. I have asked personally to Leonid how big is C2010 x1 and he estimates roughly 3-4km width the core, so it highly unlikely that even a big density might have a effect on the Earth. Its kind of like the relationship on a big cargo ship affecting the tides on the coffee you have on the table. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1387561Good investigation but it rather inconclusive and i respectfully disagree. Just sit tight and enjoy the show. (if im wrong well... see you in heaven :D ):peace: Typically comets are twice their width in length. So, a 4 mile wide comet is likely to be 8 miles long. 32 square miles of mass! That's roughly the size of Fort Lauderdale. Last Edited by Antares~"*" on 05/18/2011 12:32 PM |
^Watcher^ User ID: 1383718 United States 05/18/2011 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I will apologize to you if that asteroid is unperturbed come Saturday (this date is looking more and more interesting lately...hehe). BUT if it IS perturbed then we expect you to come here and admit YOU were wrong! Quoting: ^Watcher^As always, I am at the mercy of the data. Time and time again it has proven me right, and I have yet to see a reason why this time would be any different. If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it and work to calculate Elenin's mass (which would be easily doable if the asteroid were detectably perturbed). If it weren't for me you wouldn't even know to check this. If I'm right, I'll hold you to your apology. Okay, I get that you are at the "mercy of the data". But we have a problem with the truthfulness of those who PROVIDE the data! Can you see our dilemma? We may have reached an impass! |
Least Servant User ID: 1062754 United States 05/18/2011 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I will apologize to you if that asteroid is unperturbed come Saturday (this date is looking more and more interesting lately...hehe). BUT if it IS perturbed then we expect you to come here and admit YOU were wrong! Quoting: ^Watcher^As always, I am at the mercy of the data. Time and time again it has proven me right, and I have yet to see a reason why this time would be any different. If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it and work to calculate Elenin's mass (which would be easily doable if the asteroid were detectably perturbed). If it weren't for me you wouldn't even know to check this. If I'm right, I'll hold you to your apology. Okay, I get that you are at the "mercy of the data". But we have a problem with the truthfulness of those who PROVIDE the data! Can you see our dilemma? We may have reached an impass! The impass comes from a lack of basic education in the United States. :romaflag: Not enough to fight, too many to die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1218203 United States 05/18/2011 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and how do you explain the japan Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316402earthquake took place 4 days before!!! the alignment??? Perhaps the 'tugging' that happens when the alignment is first coming into being, and then when it is ending or 'pulling away' again is when the earthquakes are most likely to happen. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1218203 United States 05/18/2011 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ==> In Sep 25-28, Elenin's tidal force on Sun will be (3.1/0.6)^3 ~= 138 TIMES compared to Mar 11, 2011! Quoting: Geophysical EventsIf it's true, Hollywood disaster movies look like picnic. People are going to be awfully disappointed when it doesn't happen. I'm sure those responsible though will be given a completely clean slate and absolute credibility for the next doom date though... What will you do if it does happen tho, Astronut? Will it force you to reconsider all the crazy Elenin theories? Will you knock back a double shot of tequila and say, "well, shit..."? :-D |
dedyradix User ID: 1388884 Indonesia 05/18/2011 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gustavo Muler 06/05/2011 - Observatorio Nazaret J47 : "RWM" Shot image. [link to gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com] Why Gustavo give the folder name w "C1010X1" not "C2010X1" ? [link to gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com] Why GLP delete this thread?? RT @glptweets: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ELENIN IS COMING!!! LATEST PICTURES!!! [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] 06/05/2011 is the latest #ELENIN shot with M**N ? or just space junk object? [link to gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com] [link to twitpic.com] Last Edited by dedyradix on 05/18/2011 12:56 PM |
Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/18/2011 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I will apologize to you if that asteroid is unperturbed come Saturday (this date is looking more and more interesting lately...hehe). BUT if it IS perturbed then we expect you to come here and admit YOU were wrong! Quoting: ^Watcher^As always, I am at the mercy of the data. Time and time again it has proven me right, and I have yet to see a reason why this time would be any different. If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it and work to calculate Elenin's mass (which would be easily doable if the asteroid were detectably perturbed). If it weren't for me you wouldn't even know to check this. If I'm right, I'll hold you to your apology. Okay, I get that you are at the "mercy of the data". But we have a problem with the truthfulness of those who PROVIDE the data! Can you see our dilemma? We may have reached an impass! So you have a problem with my truthfulness then? You said you wanted the data to come from a civilian scope, now you're moving the goalposts. |
FOOK HIM User ID: 1388459 Croatia 05/18/2011 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! Quoting: ^Watcher^When Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Could you please keep us posted on that occasion? a prediction from Astronut! Astrodonut is the prophet? WOW |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1218203 United States 05/18/2011 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok so we have all been considering that Elenin may be 'preceding' some sort of dwarf star/binary companion. Whether you buy into that theory or not, everyone here has heard it, considered it, and either discarded it or kept it. What if that Binary companion really is already here and Elenin is TRAILING it? Would that make more sense why the alignments seem to be causing so much trouble, yet Elenin is such a tiny speck that people don't even want to consider it as a possibility? So lets run with that idea then... if that dwarf star is already here (based upon the crazy soho images we have all see of flares flowing past a large, sphere-like object)... how much does that move the DOOM timeline up? So DOOM won't be here in September then... will it be here in June? or because the object is more massive, with it's own satellites, does it have a slightly shallower orbit, and thuse Elenin will 'swing around' like a ball on a chain... and thus the timeline stays the same? |
Least Servant User ID: 1062754 United States 05/18/2011 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok so we have all been considering that Elenin may be 'preceding' some sort of dwarf star/binary companion. Whether you buy into that theory or not, everyone here has heard it, considered it, and either discarded it or kept it. Quoting: tandymWhat if that Binary companion really is already here and Elenin is TRAILING it? Would that make more sense why the alignments seem to be causing so much trouble, yet Elenin is such a tiny speck that people don't even want to consider it as a possibility? So lets run with that idea then... if that dwarf star is already here (based upon the crazy soho images we have all see of flares flowing past a large, sphere-like object)... how much does that move the DOOM timeline up? So DOOM won't be here in September then... will it be here in June? or because the object is more massive, with it's own satellites, does it have a slightly shallower orbit, and thuse Elenin will 'swing around' like a ball on a chain... and thus the timeline stays the same? :romaflag: Not enough to fight, too many to die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1348642 United States 05/18/2011 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's OK, OP -- my grandmother used to say that the only way to have an intelligent conversation is to talk to yourself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1388516Judging by the length of the conversation you've had with yourself here, you must be very intelligent. |
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El Quisqueyano User ID: 1388016 United States 05/18/2011 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was tracking all Heliophysical data on 03/11/2011 12:07 am and was noticing -100 Bz readings on our Magnetosphere. That same day I had posted a thread about Elenin's alignment with Earth and the Sun, Saying that it would possibly effect us Seismically. Well 1 1/2 hour later while on this thread the 9.0 hit Japan. So I know what you are saying is correct. Elenin is effecting our Sun which in turn is effecting Earth. Here is my thread; Thread: Magnetic north Pole shifting issues as we speak!!! (Page 2) Only 2 pages but follow the timeline on the thread and you see i was dead on with the 9.0 of 3/11/2011 in Japan. This is another thread i posted that 03/10/2011 about a Large Plasma Leak on Sun and Elenin possibly influencing this behavior; Thread: Large Plasma Leak on Sun. Elenin possibly influencing this behaviour? See for yourselves. I think we are in for a rough ride when Elenin aligns Between Earth and Our Sun 09/25/2011. Elenin could possibly influence our Sun in way that could wreak havoc on Earth. Possible scenarios are Large CME and or flare frying parts of our planet, Increased seismic activity beyond any we have ever seen, Dark Plasma penetrating our atmosphere to ground level passing right through everything and if that Comet is nothing but ice then we should see massive water roll clouds from all the steam that will be sent towards Earth etc... Another thing that I have been noticing is The Schumann Resonance of Earth, it seems to be out of tune. If you have access to ELF and can listen in I highly recommend it. That kind of magnetized energy force can be heard and seen via Extremely Low Frequencies. Let me know what you think. Great job on your Thesis. I have been thinking the same thing just never got around to putting it together like you did. |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 1388016 United States 05/18/2011 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WARNING! If the theory is true, what does it imply? There were ~200 Jupiter-Earth-Sun and Jupiter-Sun-Earth alignments that happened in the past 100 years, only 3~4 have M8.6+ mega earthquakes. On the other hand, there are 3 M8+ (including 2 M8.6+) earthquakes in the past 4 Elenin-Earth-Sun and Elenin-Sun-Earth alignments. It may imply Elenin is heavier than Jupiter. Moreover, unlike gravitational field that degrades by square of distance (r^-2), the tidal force degrades by cube of distance (r^-3) In Mar 11, 2011, Elenin is 3.1 AU from the Sun. M9.0 Earthquake in Japan In Sep 25-28, 2011, Earth-Elenin-Sun-Mercury are aligned, Elenin is 0.6 AU from the Sun In 25-28 Sep, Elenin's tidal force on Sun will be (3.1/0.6)^3 ~= 138 TIMES compared to Mar 11, 2011! This would make Hollywood doom movies look like a picnic. Elenin does not need be large if it's density is very high. The denser it is the greater the gravitational force. So what worries me is it's density. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 934 United States 05/18/2011 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's OK, OP -- my grandmother used to say that the only way to have an intelligent conversation is to talk to yourself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1388516Judging by the length of the conversation you've had with yourself here, you must be very intelligent. Fuck off you dumb canuck.You got a better theory asswipe?Of course not. |