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| EXIT User ID: 1456260  United States07/09/2011 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Antimatter comet? are hypothetical comets (meteorites) composed solely of antimatter instead of ordinary matter. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
resistor  User ID: 1337378  Belgium07/09/2011 05:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Antimatter comet? Quoting: EXIT 1456260are hypothetical comets (meteorites) composed solely of antimatter instead of ordinary matter. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Dude if it was anti matter it would have changed the orbital path of every single planet around. And the sun would have pounded us with super mega gargantuan flares. It's not anti matter!  As the world surrenders to tyranny will you do the same thing? Will you be able to stand your ground without faith? Think about it! |
| Apocalypse Troll Trollicus Apocalyptus User ID: 1448484 United States07/09/2011 06:01 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You had me at 'object'  "Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible." [link to www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us] |
| mclinking User ID: 1455174  France07/09/2011 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you subscribe to the electric comet theory? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1459357I don't, but I'd really like to not derail this thread into an EU debate. Well, that totally explains your stubborn attitude (read: intolerance) then. You are looking at all of this strictly through the eyes of conventional science. In reality, conventional science does a great job at calibrating and aiming telescopes. As for explaining what those telescopes actually view, well, conventional science is worth fuck-all in that arena. I could understand if you presented your "opinion" as precisely that - an opinion, an alternative view, one of many. Stating it over and over again as FACT, well, that smacks of the same blind arrogance as the rest of modern, conventional science. That same science, by the way, which keeps being proven wrong each day. One day in the future, perhaps, you will realise how wrong conventional science has been. You will realise how much time you lost following conventional science. Time, which you could have better used to explain all what you see out there. Good luck. I feel Astronut has done more harm than good - to himself, that is. I also feel Astronut has done more good than harm to the Infidel. Thank you, Astronut. You have cleared up so much. mclinking |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1298229  United Kingdom07/09/2011 06:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone remember this thread? Quoting: AstronutThread: Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance Well it turns out we can use that encounter to establish a strict upper limit for the mass of Elenin. And it turns out that limit is rather low. How low? It's lower than the mass a 4 km wide object would have with the low density of a comet (0.6 g/cm^3). Leonid Elenin himself also observed that same encounter between 1999 RQ176 and C/2010 X1. [link to spaceobs.org] His image is not only very high quality, but it was also taken even closer to the moment of closest approach between the two objects. Astrometric analysis agrees perfectly with my own previous analysis that the asteroid was still right where it should be and not visibly perturbed at all. Its orbit predicts it should have been at the following coordinates at 3:50 UT on May 21st when his image was taken: 10h 27m 43.65s, +08d 08' 42.1" Astrometry reveals that the asteroid's detected position was 10h 27m 44s, +08d 08' 42" [link to flickr.com] So just how perturbed could the asteroid be and still not be "visibly" perturbed? Well, at the 1.8 AU distance Elenin and the asteroid were at that day, a spatial resolution of 2.92 arcseconds per pixel would show any change in the asteroid's position greater than about 3,900 km. That may seem forgiving, but when you actually test and see what various mass numbers for Elenin would do to the asteroid's position you start to realize it's not forgiving at all. If Elenin had a mass equivalent to an object so much as 4 km wide with a density of an average comet around 0.6 gm/cm^3, it would still have perturbed the asteroid's position by about 100,000 km (0.1 million km), which would have thrown the asteroid's position in the image off significantly: [link to i319.photobucket.com] I started off with a 5 km wide object with a density of 0.8 g/cm^3 and saw even more massive perturbations than this. Right away I knew I was onto a way to firmly establish an upper bound for Elenin's mass. The example shown above at 4km, 0.6 g/cm^3 starts to approach a very stringent upper-limit of Elenin's mass. We can now say that comet Elenin's mass is less than than that of a 4 km wide comet at a density of 0.6 g/cm^3. Such an object would have noticeably perturbed 1999 RQ176. It's probably even smaller than Leonid himself originally estimated.  Pray tell AC? I take it you are also an astronomer to be able to state this as bullshit? Come on, back your BS claim up? |
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| EMF User ID: 1460788  South Africa07/09/2011 06:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you subscribe to the electric comet theory? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1459357I don't, but I'd really like to not derail this thread into an EU debate. There are people literally fleeing to the mountains because they think this comet is actually a massive planet or brown dwarf. On that note, amusingly I found that the asteroid would have flat-out impacted Elenin had the comet been a brown dwarf. Ah, the Elephant in the room indeed! You can't derail a thread with the truth. Sorry mr. Astronut, but this won't go away, forever. Comets are an electric phenomenon! With all your clever calculations u don't factor in much. I mean how can you predict that Elenin won't flare up like Comet Holmes did?? "Unfortunately, the science media and the astronomical community had barely anything to say about Comet Holmes.....One might think that the bizarre and unpredictable behavior of comets would inspire a fundamental reconsideration of comet theory. But comet science as a whole continues in a state of drift, never asking the questions that could change the picture entirely. For years, however, the questions have been asked by proponents of the Electric Universe, who contend that comets are charged objects moving through the electric field of the Sun. In recent years only the electric comet model has anticipated the major surprises in comet science, a fact anyone can confirm for himself. It is only reasonable, therefore, to ask if an electrical explanation might help us to understand the explosive behavior of Comet Holmes. " [link to www.thunderbolts.info] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1381523  Moldova07/09/2011 06:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm more excited about seeing all the Elentards die of embaressment when this little comet proves to be nothing to worry about than I was about seeing Ice crumble when the Rapture didnt happen. Quoting: Pabs More excited than what, seeing Astronut crap his pants when he understands Elenin is devastating? Embarrassment is one thing, it is nothing, but Doom is just too serious, crapping and peeing pants could be an aftershock after dying of fear. |
| The Guy User ID: 1166723 United States07/09/2011 06:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If after November 2011 nothing happens and Elenin passes by with nothing much happening I will agree that I was wrong about you. Until then I'll be skeptical of what you say as I'm not entirely convinced of your motives in all these posts you do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1236429You see, I wonder why you are so determined to convince us nutjobs that Elenin is nothing - one would figure an astronomer hobbyist like yourself would prefer to hangout with "more rational" folks on the astronomy forums. So why the interest in what we have to say -after all we are just doomer morans right? This is an honest question. Why would you even go to a forum where everyone agrees with you? How boring. It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1460809  Australia07/09/2011 06:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And what IF everything you've said is WRONG Astronut? You being on these forums, should know that WHAT YOU SEE, is not always WHAT YOU GET. What if this were a huge conspiracy? What if it is something else? You can say what you want, but that's like someone else coming in and saying 9/11 was exactly that, what the MSM showed you. There is not a single thing in this world that EVERYONE agrees on. Heck, look at Religion, what, one entire THIRD of the world believes in a God. I however, do not. Does that make me wrong? Does that make them wrong? No. They BELIEVE in God.. I need to see in order to believe. Until ELENIN IS HERE..... and I can see the comet fly by and nothing happens, I'll sit here and consider you a shill for continuing to tell us what to think. You are simply a member of this forum, unless you can provide 100% proof it is what you say, then why spend so much time convincing us otherwise? That is what leads me to believe in other AC who call you "Astroshill". That on top of the whole Trinity is gonna sell GLP he has MIB after him... seriously, if this forum was a threat, it'd be fucking gone before you could blink. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 974998 United States07/09/2011 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone remember this thread? Quoting: AstronutThread: Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance Well it turns out we can use that encounter to establish a strict upper limit for the mass of Elenin. And it turns out that limit is rather low. How low? It's lower than the mass a 4 km wide object would have with the low density of a comet (0.6 g/cm^3). Leonid Elenin himself also observed that same encounter between 1999 RQ176 and C/2010 X1. [link to spaceobs.org] His image is not only very high quality, but it was also taken even closer to the moment of closest approach between the two objects. Astrometric analysis agrees perfectly with my own previous analysis that the asteroid was still right where it should be and not visibly perturbed at all. Its orbit predicts it should have been at the following coordinates at 3:50 UT on May 21st when his image was taken: 10h 27m 43.65s, +08d 08' 42.1" Astrometry reveals that the asteroid's detected position was 10h 27m 44s, +08d 08' 42" [link to flickr.com] So just how perturbed could the asteroid be and still not be "visibly" perturbed? Well, at the 1.8 AU distance Elenin and the asteroid were at that day, a spatial resolution of 2.92 arcseconds per pixel would show any change in the asteroid's position greater than about 3,900 km. That may seem forgiving, but when you actually test and see what various mass numbers for Elenin would do to the asteroid's position you start to realize it's not forgiving at all. If Elenin had a mass equivalent to an object so much as 4 km wide with a density of an average comet around 0.6 gm/cm^3, it would still have perturbed the asteroid's position by about 100,000 km (0.1 million km), which would have thrown the asteroid's position in the image off significantly: [link to i319.photobucket.com] I started off with a 5 km wide object with a density of 0.8 g/cm^3 and saw even more massive perturbations than this. Right away I knew I was onto a way to firmly establish an upper bound for Elenin's mass. The example shown above at 4km, 0.6 g/cm^3 starts to approach a very stringent upper-limit of Elenin's mass. We can now say that comet Elenin's mass is less than than that of a 4 km wide comet at a density of 0.6 g/cm^3. Such an object would have noticeably perturbed 1999 RQ176. It's probably even smaller than Leonid himself originally estimated. You are a dickhead. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 974998 United States07/09/2011 06:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astronut is just a tool. Only tools can be so stubbornly sure about their info. Life teaches us that it is highly mysterious, and losers are always the ones that use too much logic and too little heart. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1381523Sadly, he is the best tool our government has and we can all see how sharp he is. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1298229 United Kingdom07/09/2011 06:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone remember this thread? Quoting: AstronutThread: Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance Well it turns out we can use that encounter to establish a strict upper limit for the mass of Elenin. And it turns out that limit is rather low. How low? It's lower than the mass a 4 km wide object would have with the low density of a comet (0.6 g/cm^3). Leonid Elenin himself also observed that same encounter between 1999 RQ176 and C/2010 X1. [link to spaceobs.org] His image is not only very high quality, but it was also taken even closer to the moment of closest approach between the two objects. Astrometric analysis agrees perfectly with my own previous analysis that the asteroid was still right where it should be and not visibly perturbed at all. Its orbit predicts it should have been at the following coordinates at 3:50 UT on May 21st when his image was taken: 10h 27m 43.65s, +08d 08' 42.1" Astrometry reveals that the asteroid's detected position was 10h 27m 44s, +08d 08' 42" [link to flickr.com] So just how perturbed could the asteroid be and still not be "visibly" perturbed? Well, at the 1.8 AU distance Elenin and the asteroid were at that day, a spatial resolution of 2.92 arcseconds per pixel would show any change in the asteroid's position greater than about 3,900 km. That may seem forgiving, but when you actually test and see what various mass numbers for Elenin would do to the asteroid's position you start to realize it's not forgiving at all. If Elenin had a mass equivalent to an object so much as 4 km wide with a density of an average comet around 0.6 gm/cm^3, it would still have perturbed the asteroid's position by about 100,000 km (0.1 million km), which would have thrown the asteroid's position in the image off significantly: [link to i319.photobucket.com] I started off with a 5 km wide object with a density of 0.8 g/cm^3 and saw even more massive perturbations than this. Right away I knew I was onto a way to firmly establish an upper bound for Elenin's mass. The example shown above at 4km, 0.6 g/cm^3 starts to approach a very stringent upper-limit of Elenin's mass. We can now say that comet Elenin's mass is less than than that of a 4 km wide comet at a density of 0.6 g/cm^3. Such an object would have noticeably perturbed 1999 RQ176. It's probably even smaller than Leonid himself originally estimated. You are a dickhead. Wow, an even more immature answer than mine!! I dont get why you guys think he is a shill. Do you think Trinity would have let this guy on his property to help him set up the observatory if he was a shill? Maybe, just maybe, he is here to stop you fucking idiots shitting your little panties over something as meager as a tiny comet. |
| Deej User ID: 1002034 United States07/09/2011 07:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ed Dames said an object would pass between the sun and earth disrupting the earths magnetic field. This event would cause the sun to spew out a series of ejections toward the earth... creating what he calls the "Killshot." I think Elenin would qualify for this, "low mass" or not. What say you GLPers?  No matter what happens... just say "Thank You." - D W Fierce |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1459796  India07/09/2011 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Long Period Objects in elliptical Orbit: long period Objects are a big danger for the inner Planets. There are different reasons for that. First historical: LPO are not recognised in the younger human history, and therefore forgotten. Only written down in metaphor and symbolic languages from ancients culture, like the Atlantians Sumerian and also recorded to the old testament. Second scientific: LPO with an elliptical Orbit of ~11800 Years, can not have a small mass, that is simple given from the law of physics. Objects with smaller mass having short elliptical Orbit, from 2 up to 1000 years or so, like Asteroids or Comets. Therefore: Objects with bigger mass staying in long period Orbits. The fact that Elenin comet (C2010 X1 ) enters our solar system close to the ecliptic with a Period of ~11’800 Years, makes this Object very dangerous. So it is good to keep an eye on it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1459796 India07/09/2011 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Long Period Objects in elliptical Orbit: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1459796long period Objects are a big danger for the inner Planets. There are different reasons for that. First historical: LPO are not recognised in the younger human history, and therefore forgotten. Only written down in metaphor and symbolic languages from ancients culture, like the Atlantians Sumerian and also recorded to the old testament. Second scientific: LPO with an elliptical Orbit of ~11800 Years, can not have a small mass, that is simple given from the law of physics. Objects with smaller mass having short elliptical Orbit, from 2 up to 1000 years or so, like Asteroids or Comets. Therefore: Objects with bigger mass staying in long period Orbits. The fact that Elenin comet (C2010 X1 ) enters our solar system close to the ecliptic with a Period of ~11’800 Years, makes this Object very dangerous. So it is good to keep an eye on it. [link to www.ufo-blogger.com] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1304181 United States07/09/2011 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The true conspiracy buffs are convinced that Elenin is not a comet, though not a brown dwarf either. No one can show us a tail, until we see that we dont know what Elenin is. Is Elenin travelling with other entities/objects? Most certainly could be, would explain the EQ's on the specific dates but who know. Astro, please go back to Devil's Advocate and stop acting like your right. This forum is about thinking outside the box, you sir do nothing but think within your own defined reality. In fact go debunk Henning's new Moon videos, you might find that interesting. |
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