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after death??? BRAIN OR SOUL?

 
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on a purly scientific stance... your mind is all that you know from knowledge obtained from using your sences and is developed by outside experiences. its your brain.
you can hit you head and lose memories, the same memories that make you...you.
every one is different becuase they have different experiences of life.


cut off your finger, you cant use it to feel any more! its dead. lose an eye, you cant see

so when you die, your brain stops thinking...
it will be like before you were born! ...nothing

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so when you die, your brain stops thinking...
it will be like before you were born! ...nothing
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Then you might be really surprised.

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And the knollage disappears?
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drevil oh..?
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drevil oh..?
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on a purly scientific stance... your mind is all that you know from knollage obtained from using your sences and is developed by outside experiences. its your brain.
you can hit you head and lose memories, the same memories that make you...you.
every one is different becuase they have different experiences of life.


cut off finger, you cant use it to feel any more! its dead. lose an eye, you cant see

so when you die, your brain stops thinking...
it will be like before you were born! ...nothing
 Quoting: ripple in time


That's your opinion, and probably not well investigated because you can't even spell, so I doubt you've read much on the subject. Except on useless internet sites.
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And the knollage disappears?
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your brain obtains information. its how evolution made it over the years.
life had to change to a point where it stores things so that we dont make repeditive mistakes, and it got better and better to the point where we became aware. aware of our suroundings. so we wanted to make sense of it so someone started to name things...meaningless names to anyone but him...using that voice in your head. the one you use to talk in your head that just seems to be perfect English(because its exactly what you want it to say).your mind remembers a sound and understands diferent sinarios of sounds, to be put in any formulation at all.
to be aware that you are aware was the first step. then you are aware that others are aware but are they aware that i am aware.
and then you think if he is aware that i am aware does he know that i am aware of him being aware of me..then you just asume that most life is aware. we are just the first to put into words.

if this goes away so does the things that it contains.

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i have faced it, death...
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i have faced what you speak of..

in 1993 i had a traumatic brain injury. i awoke from come had to relearn to live. i have no memories of my first 21 years of life.

yet we have a brain that is so amazing that we have instinct and survival skills embedded underneath it all...

now i have had to walk away from life for the fact that people around me could not grasp the loss of who i am and would not accept what i had to live through, i only had to move forward as the continued to live the past.

we are given this life to live every moment making the moment the greatest moment we can, it is all we have...

i have faced many obstacles yet that is what they were something i had to learn to overcome each one as they came in front of me. I still do. i did not only have a brain injury i also have many bone injuries also.

yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift. What are you doing with your present?

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And the knollage disappears?
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your brain obtains information. its how evolution made it over the years.
life had to change to a point where it stores things so that we dont make repeditive mistakes, and it got better and better to the point where we became aware. aware of our suroundings. so we wanted to make sense of it so someone started to name things...meaningless names to anyone but him...using that voice in your head. the one you use to talk in your head that just seems to be perfect English(because its exactly what you want it to say).your mind remembers a sound and understands diferent sinarios of sounds, to be put in any formulation at all.
to be aware that you are aware was the first step. then you are aware that others are aware but are they aware that i am aware.
and then you think if he is aware that i am aware does he know that i am aware of him being aware of me..then you just asume that most life is aware. we are just the first to put into words.

if this goes away so does the things it contains
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Interesting. What kind of repeditive mistakes? What sort of sinarios?
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so when you die, your brain stops thinking...
it will be like before you were born! ...nothing
 Quoting: ripple in time


Then you might be really surprised.
 Quoting: Adonai


i hope so
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so when you die, your brain stops thinking...
it will be like before you were born! ...nothing
 Quoting: ripple in time


Then you might be really surprised.
 Quoting: Adonai


i hope so
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The only advice I can give to you is the following:

Expect that your soul will survive. If you do not, then you are going to fall into a very deep lethargic sleep until you get reincarnated. You might miss a lof of cool stuff for hundreds years, maybe even thousands of years. That would be a shame...

Make some research on people that had near death experience.

If I am right, you should better follow this advice. If i am wrong, then it doesn't matter right? :)
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And the knollage disappears?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1505442


your brain obtains information. its how evolution made it over the years.
life had to change to a point where it stores things so that we dont make repeditive mistakes, and it got better and better to the point where we became aware. aware of our suroundings. so we wanted to make sense of it so someone started to name things...meaningless names to anyone but him...using that voice in your head. the one you use to talk in your head that just seems to be perfect English(because its exactly what you want it to say).your mind remembers a sound and understands diferent sinarios of sounds, to be put in any formulation at all.
to be aware that you are aware was the first step. then you are aware that others are aware but are they aware that i am aware.
and then you think if he is aware that i am aware does he know that i am aware of him being aware of me..then you just asume that most life is aware. we are just the first to put into words.

if this goes away so does the things that it contains.
 Quoting: ripple in time


applause2 Very well said.....NOT!!
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grizzy There is life after death. If you would like to know more from a biblical point of view.

THIS WAS YOUR LIFE!... [link to www.chick.com]
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And the knollage disappears?
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your brain obtains information. its how evolution made it over the years.
life had to change to a point where it stores things so that we dont make repeditive mistakes, and it got better and better to the point where we became aware. aware of our suroundings. so we wanted to make sense of it so someone started to name things...meaningless names to anyone but him...using that voice in your head. the one you use to talk in your head that just seems to be perfect English(because its exactly what you want it to say).your mind remembers a sound and understands diferent sinarios of sounds, to be put in any formulation at all.
to be aware that you are aware was the first step. then you are aware that others are aware but are they aware that i am aware.
and then you think if he is aware that i am aware does he know that i am aware of him being aware of me..then you just asume that most life is aware. we are just the first to put into words.

if this goes away so does the things it contains
 Quoting: ripple in time


Interesting. What kind of repeditive mistakes? What sort of sinarios?
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things like, if you touch fire then you would need to understand not to do that...how would you do that? you have to be able to store an understanding of things...not really in words but like...hmm... have you ever thought of something but put into words afterwords like an "ahah" moment.
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the brain is not the source of our knowledge and the senses have nothing to do with obtaining this knowledge. consciousness is the source and the brain accesses the knowledge and mental memories from it. the brain is simply an impermanent interface for consciousness just as the soul is an impermanent vehicle to connect to the emotional memory sprectrum and a warehouse that stores emotional memories (energy) from present and past lives. emotions that you feel are not you.. you connect to them like a radio connects to a station. ego is the antenna, you are the battery. your mind is the tuner.. so many people confuse soul with spirit. they are completely different! the soul dematerializes when physical (human) consciousness reunites with singular spirit consciousness and they then merge with universal spirit consciousness after death.

for humans memories can come in 3 forms and they are all stored eternally in our universal spirit/consciousness and some of these memories in your singular spirit/higher-self in each human lifetime.

emotional memories (energy) are stored in the soul. they lie dormant until the activation begins. generally, similar situations will occur in the present life that 'link' back to those emotional memories and flush them out for remembering/healing/transmutation. ie. if you were badly betrayed in a past life, someone could betray you in this life and all of those energies would emerge and you'd have to process/transmute them. a good sign is when the current life situation normally wouldn't bother you at all but you can't move on or let go. it has a far greater impact on you for no 'apparent' reason.

mental past life memories are stored in the amygdala. the memories filter down from universal spirit to singular spirit and then down through the amygdala as your path unfolds. this is important and regulated by the spirits as too much info too soon will stop things from happening that need to happen.

some memories come in the form of dreams, the exact details are usually not what really happened but more symbolic. a good sign of past life memories in dreams is when you wake up and feel deeply 'disturbed' or 'moved'. they are very vivid, usually quite weird and can also involve injuries/violent situations.
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I believe we all have souls, the knowledge you gain here is kept within this soul. By knowledge do I mean that a number 2 at Mcdonalds is a quarterpounder? No, but the important stuff and the lessons youve learned.
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the brain is not the source of our knowledge and the senses have nothing to do with obtaining this knowledge. consciousness is the source and the brain accesses the knowledge and mental memories from it. the brain is simply an impermanent interface for consciousness just as the soul is an impermanent vehicle to connect to the emotional memory sprectrum and a warehouse that stores emotional memories (energy) from present and past lives. emotions that you feel are not you.. you connect to them like a radio connects to a station. ego is the antenna, you are the battery. your mind is the tuner.. so many people confuse soul with spirit. they are completely different! the soul dematerializes when physical (human) consciousness reunites with singular spirit consciousness and they then merge with universal spirit consciousness after death.

for humans memories can come in 3 forms and they are all stored eternally in our universal spirit/consciousness and some of these memories in your singular spirit/higher-self in each human lifetime.

emotional memories (energy) are stored in the soul. they lie dormant until the activation begins. generally, similar situations will occur in the present life that 'link' back to those emotional memories and flush them out for remembering/healing/transmutation. ie. if you were badly betrayed in a past life, someone could betray you in this life and all of those energies would emerge and you'd have to process/transmute them. a good sign is when the current life situation normally wouldn't bother you at all but you can't move on or let go. it has a far greater impact on you for no 'apparent' reason.

mental past life memories are stored in the amygdala. the memories filter down from universal spirit to singular spirit and then down through the amygdala as your path unfolds. this is important and regulated by the spirits as too much info too soon will stop things from happening that need to happen.

some memories come in the form of dreams, the exact details are usually not what really happened but more symbolic. a good sign of past life memories in dreams is when you wake up and feel deeply 'disturbed' or 'moved'. they are very vivid, usually quite weird and can also involve injuries/violent situations.
 Quoting: xen

we know that there is a part of your brain that controls emotion, you can consume chemicals and alter your mood. how does your mind see things, like dreams. its a picture our minds make up. we say "seeing" but that's capturing light in the eye. our mind can use known colors to develop a picture of our own.
we have learned alot about the brain in the last ten years!

[link to www.ninds.nih.gov]
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drevil oh..?
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a good read for someone.. interested.. Incognito by David Eagleman.. Just for good info.. I know your curious and if you had some time. Just a suggestion.
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i have faced what you speak of..

in 1993 i had a traumatic brain injury. i awoke from come had to relearn to live. i have no memories of my first 21 years of life.

yet we have a brain that is so amazing that we have instinct and survival skills embedded underneath it all...

now i have had to walk away from life for the fact that people around me could not grasp the loss of who i am and would not accept what i had to live through, i only had to move forward as the continued to live the past.

we are given this life to live every moment making the moment the greatest moment we can, it is all we have...

i have faced many obstacles yet that is what they were something i had to learn to overcome each one as they came in front of me. I still do. i did not only have a brain injury i also have many bone injuries also.

yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift. What are you doing with your present?

me i live and survive and share my gift with those around me.5a
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that is quite an interesting perspective you bring to the table.
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we know that there is a part of your brain that controls emotion, you can consume chemicals and alter your mood. how does your mind see things, like dreams. its a picture our minds make up. we say "seeing" but that's capturing light in the eye. our mind can use known colors to develop a picture of our own.
we have learned alot about the brain in the last ten years!

[link to www.ninds.nih.gov]
 Quoting: ripple in time


that is not correct

our ego is conditioned to connect to individual or multiple external emotional energies in accordance with external stimuli and desires. the ego regulates which emotion we connect to and feel. chemicals confuse the ego and cause it the connect to and distort the emotional energies. your mood is a reaction to the emotional energies that you connect to. chemicals also stimulate or dumb down your mind's reaction to whatever emotional energy that it's connected to.

if someone were to insult you, your ego could be conditioned to connect to anger or rage. your mind would then react to the emotional energies of anger or rage and seek retaliation. if you reconditioned your ego you could receive insults and connect to unconditional love instead of anger/rage, then you would feel sorry for whoever is insulting you and would not seek retaliation. rather you'd want to help him/her. alternatively you can master your ego and mindflow so that if you still connect to anger or rage your consciousness is separated from emotional energies. so when you feel rage you would know that it is only an external energy and you would have no angry thoughts. the feeling would just pass by without you having reacted to it.

science can't even detect consciousness because it doesn't know where to look. they are in denial and oblivious the 2nd and 3rd levels of both consciousness and existence. therefore they never start at the beginning when identifying root causes making it impossible to identify the true source of anything
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we know that there is a part of your brain that controls emotion, you can consume chemicals and alter your mood. how does your mind see things, like dreams. its a picture our minds make up. we say "seeing" but that's capturing light in the eye. our mind can use known colors to develop a picture of our own.
we have learned alot about the brain in the last ten years!

[link to www.ninds.nih.gov]
 Quoting: ripple in time


that is not correct

our ego is conditioned to connect to individual or multiple external emotional energies in accordance with external stimuli and desires. the ego regulates which emotion we connect to and feel. chemicals confuse the ego and cause it the connect to and distort the emotional energies. your mood is a reaction to the emotional energies that you connect to. chemicals also stimulate or dumb down your mind's reaction to whatever emotional energy that it's connected to.

if someone were to insult you, your ego could be conditioned to connect to anger or rage. your mind would then react to the emotional energies of anger or rage and seek retaliation. if you reconditioned your ego you could receive insults and connect to unconditional love instead of anger/rage, then you would feel sorry for whoever is insulting you and would not seek retaliation. rather you'd want to help him/her. alternatively you can master your ego and mindflow so that if you still connect to anger or rage your consciousness is separated from emotional energies. so when you feel rage you would know that it is only an external energy and you would have no angry thoughts. the feeling would just pass by without you having reacted to it.

science can't even detect consciousness because it doesn't know where to look. they are in denial and oblivious the 2nd and 3rd levels of both consciousness and existence. therefore they never start at the beginning when identifying root causes making it impossible to identify the true source of anything
 Quoting: xen


where do you come up with this stuff. bsmeter2
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I recommend to read "Letters from a Living Dead man":

[link to www.earthlypursuits.com]

And

The Life Beyond Death

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There are lot of near death experiences..I refuse to believe all those experiences are because lack of oxygen in brain...
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where do you come up with this stuff. bsmeter2
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nevermind, carry on...
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 Quoting: ripple in time


this is exactly what im talking about just in better formulation
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so when you die, your brain stops thinking...
it will be like before you were born! ...nothing
 Quoting: ripple in time


Then you might be really surprised.
 Quoting: Adonai


applause2
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Be sure to go towards the *light* after death OP...it is your soul guardian,if you don't you may spend eternity wandering the earth as a 'ghost'
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i hope that i am wrong. oh i surly do.
when the time comes i will be optomistic... but you cant know untill it happends! so wile you "are" learn as much as you can about what is, because it may be the only chance you get!
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Be sure to go towards the *light* after death OP...it is your soul guardian,if you don't you may spend eternity wandering the earth as a 'ghost'
afropeace
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