True and Fully-Verifiable Meaning of "As Above, So Below"

Yep, on my to do list this next weekend. :)

THE TRUTH !

The Cube and Crown will descend to Malkuth..

Indeed dear Fr. Perspicuous. I think I may have a lot (more, and more critical) to thank you for here soon one day.

Sincerely,
Fr. Poster

Okay, I am just free typing (aka, thinking outloud), which I have a bad habit of sometimes.

So, you are speaking in literal terms, correct? I know, you have stated it clearly, and has stated that you have stated it clearly. LOL - Just answered my own question.

Should this be applied to x,y,z axis spacial orientaion and magnified by infinity would this still resolve into a toroidal coil and become an entire universe? (LOL-kidding).

No one can be told what the Matrix is...

Hahahahhahha - okay okay, sorry. I have ALWAYS equated messages and conversations to movies, books, other third party representations. It's how my brain works.

Still, I am working on your selected term, "due diligence", but for the past 1-2 weeks I feel like I keep scratching the surface of something in my mind. It is something that I know is blocked from my vision BY my vision/thought.

I know it is right there in front of me (and all around) and I just can't see it. I can't see it because I do not know what I am looking at because I can not comprehend it. The same way you often can't see a hiddin picture, or double image trick until you are told what it is. But I am working on it, through my "due diligence".

All I know is that in those moements of quiet and peace, I become very calm, and things slow down all around me and I am exhilarated. Part of me fears never coming back from such a state, to be honest. But the other part of me, the one observing, knows that the only other path would be self induced dillusion. Therefore, this would be a now concious choice of eternal damnation to my own creation.

So, I must move forward in this understanding. Which mean I must agree with the wheel/circle terminology, but perhaps the definition is irrelevant. Russian Doll, Wheel, etc.

As for falsification of your assertion, I can not possibly do that, nor should I try, until I fully understand the assertion and what it means to myself. But I am sure you know that.

Last Edited by Poster 8398 on 08/31/2011 01:16 PM

awareness i am .

Sam I am.
I would try green eggs and ham.

LOL

Last Edited by Poster 8398 on 08/31/2011 01:26 PM

pearls. oink oink.

I haven't read the whole thread but I agree with OPs premises. What this has suggested to me is that to change the outer one much change the inner. I think it can be logically argued that the exterior is experienced in the interior and therefore if we change the interior it will also change the exterior. Or certainly the way it is experienced.

Dear: OP

You have completely missed the meaning that “Hermes” intend for his statement inscribed on the “Emerald Tablet”.

.1 As above,

.a Refers to macrocosms

As defined by “Corpus Hermeticum”; the statement directly refers to the entirety of what is real and what is perceived to be real, it also refers to “GOD” or “Deities” as a whole; reference to “The Alchemical Nature of Being”

.2 As Below,

.a Refers to microcosms

As defined by the “Golden Dawn” as the formation of “The Alchemical Nature of Being” hence creation of perceived substance, it also refers to “Consciousness”; the ability for one to perceive one’s self, and the duality of the two combined.

The nature of this statement by “Hermes” is to infer consciousness as a whole; the formation of creation itself, and the perceived notion of one’s own self in the universe; it is the statement that defines the Alchemists understanding of the whole.

The combination of the two forms the foundation of the creation and understanding of the “Philosophers Stone”.

This is the truer meaning of “As Above, So Below” it is much greater understanding of the meaning, but one that takes the true Alchemist a life time to prepare.

Respectfully
“TheGhost”

dp

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What are we then if we have the constant obligation to make ourselves what we are if our mode of being is having the obligation to be what we are?


Jean-Paul Sartre

Corollary

We are then (still) if we have not the constant obligation to make ourselves what we are if our mode of being is to not have the obligation to be what we are.

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OP, Excuse my lower level of understanding and "pre-school" wordings. I have just recently started to delve into the esot eric but since childhood, i have been touched by signs, coincidences, dreams and visions. I have always wondered if we are all cells that make up cells that make up cells that make up the universe. I've always had questions but no one to ask. Please tell me, are these thoughts on the right track?

Makes me feel lonely.

Accurately and justly stated.

Kether is in Malkuth, Malkuth is in Kether.
"The beginning is to be found in the ending"

One word...

Infinity

Pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo with phoney spiritual posturing. Thesis stolen from the "religious" origin given in the bible which has nothing to do with how you present the concept and is much much easier for anyone to understand. Go ahead and throw out the "religious" concept as obviously you have no regard for the author and then you're left with what is presented here, hollow, meaningless mental gymnastics.

Doing your due diligence is as easy as answering the following question and doing so with INTELLECTUAL HONESTY. If you are unfamiliar with the term, please just Wiki it.

"WHAT DO I KNOW?"

And I mean the "hard" sense of KNOW.

The two assertions in the original post can be deduced by a toddler, a wiseman, a fool, ANYONE. No educational or cultural requirements.

The biggest hurdle is indoctrination of a religious kind which may make INTELLECTUAL HONESTY a "sin" in these circumstances because one muse admit that belief and supposition are NOT "knowing"... ... ... BUT neither are relying on our memories or physical senses. After all, we don't know that our existence didn't begin NOW...or NOW...or NOW...complete with false or inaccurate memories applied to our respective subjectivities.

See what I mean about INTELLECTUAL HONESTY? Thankfully, my entire life has been an initiatory experience where opportunities to witness inconsistencies in "reality" have been plentiful and powerful.

I think that many of you are in the same boat. Here's your chance to put it all to use.

so its a loop or circle of events
or more like a spiral that is connected that goes on and on

They both seem to be the same thing. Take it from the perspective of looking down at water. The observer sees itself in the water. Therefore the first case is of the, literally "Above" person.

The reflection is being observed, and observing being observed, therefore it literally is the "Below" person.

I think we can agree, at the least, or most, that this statement is about man's relationship to God, or perhaps even less messy; the physical realm's relationship to the non-physical realm.

I get what you are getting at. Much of these 'subjectivities' can be experienced in the non-material, which allows you to 'see' why certain concepts such as 'sin' and 'knowing' have come into existence with the thought constructs they contain.

Example, in my life, I have personally found sins to actually be blockages in advancing to a more enlightened state of being. They are paths that steer me away from the direction I am meant to make...this direction a mechanism put in place by my 'higher-self'.

Therefor, these 'subjectivities' become more objective in nature as they can be experienced symbolically in the non-material, with more immediate (sometimes instantaneous) results.

Well, mental gymnastics are not for everyone, I suppose. The assertions are there when you're ready to think about them.

So...did you happen to even read the original post? You know--the one where I made it very clear that this is not a symbolic or allegorical thread, and certainly not a thread wherein mysticism/spirituality is of any concern.

This is the same original post where I invite anyone and everyone to do their due diligence and attempt to logically falsify my assertions, by the way. I wonder if you read all that stuff before you typed your reply. I wonder this because it's almost as if you're replying to the wrong thread.

If you don't get this stuff right now, don't worry. You have all the tools you will ever need to verify the validity of the original post and the assertions. Just think about it when you want to.

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EXACTLY what happened to me at lunch today, right after I emailed you. Literally within minutes.

Very strange, as I have a hard time seeing the point of continuing to post here, or anywhere. Things do not at all seem the way I would think that they should.

Last Edited by Poster 8398 on 08/31/2011 03:02 PM

Saturate yourself in that. Bask in it. Relax, and soon you will find yourself ready to explore more, whether it is in GLP, or other avenues of exploration. It is infinite.

I always thought it meant Gods Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven!! That's what it means to me

Are you referencing the biblical statement. Not once do you mention this.

If not, then from where?

Why speak in future tense?

Well, what you guys are saying certainly doesn't shock me. But there is something that you're failing to see.

Your explanation may be accurate but those are not verifiable statements. You speak of the macro and micro. Those are abstract conceptions and they are subject to interpretation. My assertions can be deduced by anyone, anywhere, anytime. Your explanation is an extrapolation of my assertions and, again, may be entirely accurate. As I have stated before, the explanation that you guys are so bent on is a "fool's explanation" (a figure of speech) which is common in high philosophical and low esoteric degree work. It has certainly been rammed down my own throat. But that explanation is just another step to deducing the True and Verifiable Meaning. You guys (like most of us) are taking the long, slow route AND THAT IS JUST FINE. Being Fr. Perspicuous and having an assignment, of sorts, I came up with a way to illustrate the CORE concept such that a toddler can get it. No initiation, symbols, allegory, abstractions, etc needed. Just any human alone with their thoughts.

Now, I invite you guys to go ahead and ask yourselves, "WHAT DO I KNOW?" and answer with intellectual honesty. Your answers will have two incredible features:

1. Both are assertions that unavoidably demonstrate infinity

AND

2. they flawlessly demonstrate "as above, so below".