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The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!

 
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The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
About eight years ago John Major Jenkins and I had a debate about the meaning of the Mayan calendar end date focusing especially on whether the energies of the Long Count ends on October 28, 2011 or December 21, 2012. This still remains the most important question anybody interested in the “2012 phenomenon” is faced with, but while at the time the debate might have seemed theoretical, or even hairsplitting, it is now a question that has very significant and practical consequences as to how we relate to the future. While many would like to sweep the end date question under the rug or sit on the fence, no one can do so with their intellectual integrity intact. Since that debate Jenkins has appeared on a History Channel documentary where December 21 2012 is presented as a predetermined “doomsday” when the world is going to come to an end. I get quite a few letters, sometimes from young people that worry that the world will come to an end at this date since they have seen this documentary posted on YouTube. While most knowledgeable people would probably reject this way of presenting the Mayan calendar it is still important to ask the question who benefits from it. I feel there are indeed many people, also apart from the participants in such documentaries that benefit from the claim that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012. Thus, I do not think that it is an accident that we do not hear of the October 28, 2011 date in public media. To begin with, as far as I know no one who adheres to the end date of October 28, 2011 has ever presented this as a predetermined doomsday and thus unduly associated the Mayan calendar with fear.
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
How was the 2012 date calculated as opposed to Calleman's 2011 date? Was the Gregorian calendar related to the process at all or were these dates based solely on astrological alignments & cycles? I've been reading about 2012 since the mid or late 90s but haven't found any data as to how this figure was calculated... 1dunno1
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
I think they just got tired of making calendars.

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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
Both dates were chosen for global level psyops on the population by the cabal but that way it looks right now it will all fall apart and be exposed for what it is.

It is still higly volatile however and we may experience still some apocalyptic events via cabal's weather/earthquake manipulation.
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
How was the 2012 date calculated as opposed to Calleman's 2011 date? Was the Gregorian calendar related to the process at all or were these dates based solely on astrological alignments & cycles? I've been reading about 2012 since the mid or late 90s but haven't found any data as to how this figure was calculated... 1dunno1
 Quoting: Aniwti


Apparently the British calendar is about a year and 2 months off from the calendar that was made by the Maya. Look into the waves of the mayan calendar. We are currently in the final wave, and the 5th night. We only have the 6th day, 6th night and 7th day to go.The 7th day ends on Oct 28 2011. Not Dec 21 2012

hf
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
How was the 2012 date calculated as opposed to Calleman's 2011 date? Was the Gregorian calendar related to the process at all or were these dates based solely on astrological alignments & cycles? I've been reading about 2012 since the mid or late 90s but haven't found any data as to how this figure was calculated... 1dunno1
 Quoting: Aniwti


The calendar is astronomically calculated.

Its end date is is like the last day of any year, the end of a

cycle.

Prophecy states the end of this cycle will bring massive

cleansing of the planet.

Calleman got his dates from a rubbing of another stone

artifact, which eroded away shortly after discovery.


His dates are purely his interperatation of that artifact and
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not astronomically related
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
Thanks. I guess I'm looking for an explination, graph, or something I can follow along myself as to how they translated the 2012 date from Tzol'kin to Gregorian.

Or the 10/28/11 date for that matter. I've seen the 9th wave graphs and all that, but I think I missed how he could verify that the dates were correct. Is our solar system aligning with the galactic core? Will the serpent climb the pyramid of the sun? Or what?
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
How was the 2012 date calculated as opposed to Calleman's 2011 date? Was the Gregorian calendar related to the process at all or were these dates based solely on astrological alignments & cycles? I've been reading about 2012 since the mid or late 90s but haven't found any data as to how this figure was calculated... 1dunno1
 Quoting: Aniwti


The calendar is astronomically calculated.

Its end date is is like the last day of any year, the end of a

cycle.

Prophecy states the end of this cycle will bring massive

cleansing of the planet.

Calleman got his dates from a rubbing of another stone

artifact, which eroded away shortly after discovery.


His dates are purely his interperatation of that artifact and
.
not astronomically related
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Ah, was writing when you posted that. Spanks for the info! hf
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
It'll be funny when nothing much happens on that date, except some cool pictures from the center of our solar system, per whatever telescope is in play...

So many let-downs for so many people - years, decades, lives devoted on different end-of-world conspiracies...

But, will that stop them? Oh, no - they'll make some excuse and just move on to the next date.
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
This is not about the Tzol'kin or the Gregorian. Look into the Han and the Tun. The yearly and the devine calendars respectively. First tracks taxes. Second tracks consciousness.
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Re: The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
...dec 12,2012....
the sun passes THRU OR INTO the dead center of the milky way. it is a black hole. nobody knows whats gonna happen.





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