Why Not Redistribute Wealth?

The Class warfare argument rages on.

If we took 100% of the "millionaires and billionaires" cash...it wouldnt fund the government of the US for very long at all...and then you'd be left with nothing.

Sure people would run out with thier new found redistributed cash and piss it away...and then the lights would begin to go out.

I am not a shill for the rich, but until the day I can get my banker skin jacket, Lawyer leather shoes, and politican toothed necklace becomes the reality...you have to game the system and fight for everything you earn.

Money is not wealth folks, wealth is what a society PRODUCES. If as society becomes non productive, you can print all the money you want, there won't be any wealth.

America has a lot of non productive citizens who want to enjoy a high standard of living. It's just an oxymoron, there's no way of making it work unless either you banish the unproductive citizens or they somehow become productive.

THE LAST 30 YEARS IT HAS BEEN REDISTRIBUTED,IT ALL WENT TO THE TOP.WHEN RAYGUN TOOK OFFICE THERE WAS 4 BILLIONAIRS AND 30 LOBBIEST. NOW WE HAVE OVER 1400 BILLIONAIRS AND 30,000 LOBBIEST.

No one has commented on this. Is something along these lines a viable solution? Extend the Earned Income Credit from the current $20K to, say, $50K, so that everyone who actually works is subsidized to have a $50K income. Have an income ceiling of, say, $500K, above which is taxed at 90%. Anyone who wants to pursue a higher education pays for it based on their ability to pay.

Oh totally, there's should definitely be a wealth ceiling per family/individual of some sort, I couldn't come up with a theory right now but something of the sort would definitely be in order. Now as I said before remember money is not wealth, so that by itself wouldn't mean the money these rich people are not hoarding anymore would all of the sudden go to the poor. In fact most of the money the hyper rich have is merely fiat paper printed by the FED buddies out of thin air, that money has not been created based on some sort of real tangible wealth. They do however hoard real wealth with it in a disproportionate fashion so definitely a wealth ceiling would stop a tiny minority from hoarding the real goods and assets that are essential to a decent living standard.

That would be part of a solution, the other would have to be some sort of policy to create industries in mass, industries give jobs, create real wealth and create business, that's where the key of it all lies.

Last Edited by Koelbren on 09/09/2011 02:51 PM

WHEN RAYGUN GAVE 10 MILLION ILLEGALS A GREEN CARD IT REDISRIBUTED WEALTH TO MEXICO WHERE THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD LIVES

Very well said my good Sir



But sadly most people over here won’t even comprehend your logic. We “USA” have created a society of “ I want what he has but don’t want to work for it” We also have allowed our government to expand its roll into our personal life’s so much so that it fuels the “ I want what he has” mentality. We have a large group of citizens that live with grandma and carry around a new I-Phone… the same group would rather spend monies on looking good…car phone clothes whatever then save and build a future for themselves or there children


There is no way out of this, no spending bill, no created war to fuel the war machine…nothing…zip! The whole system will have to crash to fix this, I hate to say that but it’s the truth.

I think if you impose an artificial limit on wealth accumulation you will discourage industry. Also, let's not forget that the politicians will find a way to exclude themselves from that limit.

In addition the rich in that way would simply shelter their wealth within a corporation, or trust or some such entity from which it cannot be taken, but to which they can easily help themselves.

I think the problem with most plans is that TPTB have been thinking/planning on how to do this since long before you and I were born, or even thought of.

Yes I agree, the generational foreseeing mentality of "leaving a better place for our children" has totally vanished. All has become immediate gratification now, fueled also by the corrupt media (which if it on me depended would be totally banned)

A wealth ceiling? Do you understand capitalism?

Ok let put your theory into play

Ok this mechanical engineer is making 490K he works 50 to 60 hours a week he owns his own company. He is on the verge of turning a new idea into a marketable product. This product will advance a certain medical procedure and save time and money …but to get this thing off the CAD design and into a working product he will have to spend many many hours away from his family for the next two years…… and if this product works like it should and sells well….he can only make 500K? why would he want to put that hardship on his family?

You cap does not work, your subsidized pay will only decrease any desire to create wealth by working harder but learning more than the next guy, by getting up earlier and getting home later….if you subsidize something that means it cant make it on its own

Last Edited by YaRight on 09/09/2011 03:11 PM

A cap that allows the welbeing of the individual's family and his next generation should be enough of an incentive, anyone who wants something beyond that is just plain greedy. Unrestricted luxury shouldn't be a right for anyone.

Why? Why can’t someone make whatever there mind can produce? Who do you think funds 90% of the charities in the states? Why do they name building at collages after people? The economic engine that “use to” drive America came from this kind of wealth and we need to get back to that model.

America was founded on several things and one of them was a place to make your own, meaning your success depends on you

The answer is simple, there are too many stupid racist republicans in America who are either too greedy, too religious, or too plain stupid to care about anyone but themselves

Wow, really? You've dropped the IQ level of this thread.

Indeed! Everyone has, or should have the right to try to get rich.

Rich yes, but how rich? There's a point you go from being rich to be TOO rich, like rich way beyond your needs. That should be controlled in some way otherwise it makes incentives to the opposite of what it should, it incentives people to cheat to hoard wealth for the sake of hoarding it.

I would rather teach you how to fish than just give you some fish.

Here's a pole and a few worms .... now you're on your own

In my birth country Argentina the same happens, they gave land and material to build to the poor and they didnt build anything and continued asking for welfare checks.

Guess what, the poor in Argentina are overwhelmingly of Native race. I tell you, race plays a lot of part in all of this. It has two origins, first the fact that nations that were colonies which were conquered and in which slave force was used, resent the colonizers and feel entitled to reparations. Second, the original natives lived in a totally different manner, and never fully adapted to the incoming civilization that was enforced upon them.

America is similar just that more complex, more players, and even more "wealth" which people want to claim as reparations.

Last Edited by Koelbren on 09/09/2011 03:46 PM

The same type of thing was said when people questioned christian flat-earth zealots, but it didn't make them wrong now did it?

this planet needs a session of POTLATCH.

:)

Attention minorities hating on whitey!

As you sit around lusting after an image of wealth or lifestyle you percieve of others based on television or some form of media remember this:

A jewish is getting rich exploiting your false belief of victimhood with his lobbying of charities and handouts from increased taxes etc. This jewish is getting rich, guilt tripping white males into surrendering his labor to build you up but it is never enough.

Whites came to the new world with nothing and built this civilization, you can take native, asian, african, arab out of the equation and this civiliztion would still have been created! If you take whitey out of the equation none of this would have happened.

Or you can revel in the falsehood of the noble savage and how living in a grass stick mud feces hut is superior and walking 10km everyday to get water is a better life.

America was founded on several things and one of them was a place to make your own, meaning your success depends on you


Newsflash: it's not the 19th century anymore. There's no teleporting back to Kansas; ruby slippers are pure fantasy.

It's pretty clear what all those brainwashed teabagger types mean when they whine about "Taking back America"....taking back America to pre-industrial times.

Newsflash: it's not the 19th century anymore. There's no teleporting back to Kansas; ruby slippers are pure fantasy.

It's pretty clear what all those brainwashed teabagger types mean when they whine about "Taking back America"....taking back America to pre-industrial times.


Liberal commie doublespeak for, you must keep working to support minorities with welfare you like it or not.

Very tolerant of you libtard.

Newsflash: it's not the 19th century anymore. There's no teleporting back to Kansas; ruby slippers are pure fantasy.

It's pretty clear what all those brainwashed teabagger types mean when they whine about "Taking back America"....taking back America to pre-industrial times.


Your words have no meaning; you’re lashing out at a group you “think” you know but if the truth was told you would see the Tea Party is not a group it has no single leader it has an idea. The idea is less government…now remember this “same” government is the one that waste our money, takes lobby money and goes to war for nothing. Both sides of the established parties are lying to us!

I am neither a republican or democrat I am a American and with traditional American spirit I want my government out of my way. ( Insert your common sense here) yes the government has a role to play but over the last 30 years we have been lulled to sleep thinking these people were looking out for us instead they have created a populous of weak minded, poor work ethic pathetic people.

Not a wealth ceiling, an income ceiling. $500K income is a hardship on his family? LOL I'd love to have that kind of hardship--a $500K income. And someone can still make over that income ceiling, it's just gets taxed at a rate similar to the tax structure of the 1950s, a time of unbridled prosperity.

The thing that makes an economy grow is demand and money to "spend" and the increased earned income credit will get recycled back into the economy.

So, it's OK to subsidize big oil corporations, big farm corporations, and any other applicable industry, as long as they are corporations, but not OK to subsidize the working class, who as a whole comprise the biggest spending group of them all, or at least used to?

Last Edited by TheTymeBeing on 09/09/2011 04:30 PM

A post-scarcity resource-based economy sounds like a good idea to me.

fair enough- if u can redistribute ur own wealth urself

it's when govt. wants to redistribute it for u that it
gets a bit hairy
.

America, the land of opportunity.

Yes, OPPORTUNITY to go find a job!

Just like I did in 1970, start working in a warehouse, then on to truck driving, then I put myself through more school and finally became an engineer and a general contractor. Oh, I raised a family, and managed to stay married 37 years.

Currently I give to the biggest charity on the planet, THE IRS, and I give plenty.

Suck it up people and get out of the working man's pocket.

Interesting. Yes, like Star Trek? That's what I'm talking about I guess

Last Edited by TheTymeBeing on 09/09/2011 04:39 PM

Good for you. And I say that with no sarcasm whatsoever.

But there are probably 20 million people out there right now that would love to have a job, that are looking for decent work, that would start tomorrow IF there were jobs to have. But because the corporate mentality in this country is to maximize profits at any cost, and so they outsource all their labor to places where they can pay a pittance to sweat shop workers who are glad to be exploited. Meanwhile, corporations are experiencing record profits, and there is 22% real unemployment.

At least with a $50K earned income credit structure, even working at McDonald's would still be a viable concept for frugal family.

Last Edited by TheTymeBeing on 09/09/2011 05:07 PM