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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5544817  Russia12/10/2011 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of my first-hand impressions I got near Bolotnaya square today: Quoting: Kuutamo 1. Most of the protesters do not belong to any party or political fraction, usual people just don`t want Putin with his corrupted party and administration anymore. 2. I`m again got strongly assured by what I saw and heard that Putin has ABSOLUTELY no chances to be reelected in fair and lawful way. In case he will try to take the power by force or new election fraud, Russia is doomed to civil war or at least a coup, military law and further desintegration to several states. 3. Today rally was peaceful and many policemen in the crowd frankly told they would never go against people if the protests continue on that or larger scale. 4. Next major rally are planned in Moscow on Dec, 24. Significantly more numbers of protesters expected. 5. Personally, I think that what we see is very very bad and doomy developments as the ruling scums will never give the power away by peaceful means. They just have no way for retreat and survive... too many crimes done by them. I wonder, what`s next... :putler: You're a dumbass. You would be living in a shithole if it weren't for Putin. I've been to Russia in the 90's and have seen with my own eyes the people standing in lines to buy some meat in a local grocery. But then again you're probably a bolshevik or a nazi so it is your intention to turn Russia to a shithole once and for ever. You're a dumbass. During Putin's presidency, Russia has lost more than 4 million people. [link to h4764934764.img.rugion.ru] you shithead, if anything Putin has tremendously improved the russian demographics: [link to upload.wikimedia.org] I hope Putin deals with you pro-Soros shills as swiftly as possible. [link to www.google.com (secure)] |
Kuutamo (OP) User ID: 6873840 Russia12/10/2011 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More than 90 Russian cities today joined the wide-spread protests against Putin`s rule. Nearly 30,000 people are already on Moscow streets and the number is steadily rising. It`s just the beginning... Quoting: Kuutamo Police forces do not interfere so far... [link to www.ustream.tv] [link to www.ustream.tv] [link to www.ustream.tv] STFU you shill or automated troll.  They used the same tactic against Libya, where they created thousands of fake anti-gaddafi accounts on Twitter and Facebook. Coincidently these protests are happening at a time when Russia vetoed Syria and Iran sanctions and intervention - and the Zionist Bankers don't like that obviously. The very fact the only opposition to Putin are the commies and nationalists is proof that you are a lying commie shill.  I see you are a very good example of people who hate Russia. Surely Putin is the best way to put Russia away from civilized world for ever. And that`s why you subconsciously like him. Well, I`m sorry for you... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5544817 Russia12/10/2011 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of my first-hand impressions I got near Bolotnaya square today: Quoting: Kuutamo 1. Most of the protesters do not belong to any party or political fraction, usual people just don`t want Putin with his corrupted party and administration anymore. 2. I`m again got strongly assured by what I saw and heard that Putin has ABSOLUTELY no chances to be reelected in fair and lawful way. In case he will try to take the power by force or new election fraud, Russia is doomed to civil war or at least a coup, military law and further desintegration to several states. 3. Today rally was peaceful and many policemen in the crowd frankly told they would never go against people if the protests continue on that or larger scale. 4. Next major rally are planned in Moscow on Dec, 24. Significantly more numbers of protesters expected. 5. Personally, I think that what we see is very very bad and doomy developments as the ruling scums will never give the power away by peaceful means. They just have no way for retreat and survive... too many crimes done by them. I wonder, what`s next... :putler: You're a dumbass. You would be living in a shithole if it weren't for Putin. I've been to Russia in the 90's and have seen with my own eyes the people standing in lines to buy some meat in a local grocery. But then again you're probably a bolshevik or a nazi so it is your intention to turn Russia to a shithole once and for ever. You're a dumbass. During Putin's presidency, Russia has lost more than 4 million people. [link to h4764934764.img.rugion.ru] how?? Very simple. People die more than born. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1277248  Serbia12/10/2011 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More than 90 Russian cities today joined the wide-spread protests against Putin`s rule. Nearly 30,000 people are already on Moscow streets and the number is steadily rising. It`s just the beginning... Quoting: Kuutamo Police forces do not interfere so far... [link to www.ustream.tv] [link to www.ustream.tv] [link to www.ustream.tv] STFU you shill or automated troll. They used the same tactic against Libya, where they created thousands of fake anti-gaddafi accounts on Twitter and Facebook. Coincidently these protests are happening at a time when Russia vetoed Syria and Iran sanctions and intervention - and the Zionist Bankers don't like that obviously. The very fact the only opposition to Putin are the commies and nationalists is proof that you are a lying commie shill. I see you are a very good example of people who hate Russia. Surely Putin is the best way to put Russia away from civilized world for ever. And that`s why you subconsciously like him. Well, I`m sorry for you... Implying that Russia is somehow not a part of the civilized world is sure enough sign for me that you're a paid Soros shill. |
| icsluca User ID: 6887928  Romania12/10/2011 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More than 90 Russian cities today joined the wide-spread protests against Putin`s rule. Nearly 30,000 people are already on Moscow streets and the number is steadily rising. It`s just the beginning... Quoting: Kuutamo Police forces do not interfere so far... [link to www.ustream.tv] [link to www.ustream.tv] [link to www.ustream.tv] STFU you shill or automated troll. They used the same tactic against Libya, where they created thousands of fake anti-gaddafi accounts on Twitter and Facebook. Coincidently these protests are happening at a time when Russia vetoed Syria and Iran sanctions and intervention - and the Zionist Bankers don't like that obviously. The very fact the only opposition to Putin are the commies and nationalists is proof that you are a lying commie shill. I see you are a very good example of people who hate Russia. Surely Putin is the best way to put Russia away from civilized world for ever. And that`s why you subconsciously like him. Well, I`m sorry for you... no one wants a "barbaric" russia, that is a danger to the world. we hope you get so civilized that you become neutral like the swiss luca |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6885932  United States12/10/2011 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? |
| icsluca User ID: 6887928 Romania12/10/2011 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no one wants a "barbaric" russia, that is a danger to the world. we hope you get so civilized that you become neutral like the swiss Quoting: icsluca You wish.  Roman Catholic Church is the real danger to the world. So if we become 'gay' - who will save YOU from those fucktards? :) partially good point I don't like the vatican either, but when russia saves us it usually means it occupies us! between the pope and putin I'd rather deal with the pope. now did you just call the swiss people gay?:))) luca |
| Russian guy User ID: 609919  Bulgaria12/10/2011 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will see... I`m afraid though that the next Russian leaders will be much more nationalistic and agressive. But the communists are a history, my dear... Quoting: Kuutamo The next Russian leaders will be the same scammers as the last. Its not different. It is all from Judaism. Muslims even are spreading Judaism and they do not even know they are. ANd I sense a Nazi here... In a day like that, the Moscow's and all Russian people can be only congratulated by the rest of the world! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1443905 United States12/10/2011 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 Basically, the WEST wants Russia weak, they want to install their own puppet government and kill Russia's solidarity and Christianity, basically same thing they did to their own country, enslave everyone. Basically, the west wants to rule the world, NWO or w/e they call themselves. People like Putin stand in their way, it's as simple as that I guess. |
| icsluca User ID: 6887928 Romania12/10/2011 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 it's not putin's merit for russia's economic rise. considering all the resources they have, and which they use, it would be almost impossible not to have economic increase. the people are fed up of tyrants and corruption. i don't think corruption will ever go away luca |
| Kuutamo (OP) User ID: 6873840 Russia12/10/2011 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 A little correction for your statement and you will get what is it all about... "Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity of their own families and close friends and actually bolstered the gas and oil economy at the cost of other economic branches as well as the way of life for no more than 5-10% people of Russia at the cost of other 90%." Now is it clear? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6885957 Russia12/10/2011 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no one wants a "barbaric" russia, that is a danger to the world. we hope you get so civilized that you become neutral like the swiss Quoting: icsluca You wish. Roman Catholic Church is the real danger to the world. So if we become 'gay' - who will save YOU from those fucktards? :) partially good point I don't like the vatican either, but when russia saves us it usually means it occupies us! between the pope and putin I'd rather deal with the pope. now did you just call the swiss people gay?:))) I didn't say that! You did. =) Well if RCC thought their 'christianity' thing makes us forget what AK-47 is - they're mistaken. So you'd rather go and deal with the pope, he sure knows how to mind control masses.. :) I mean get life, politics is for losers. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6885932 United States12/10/2011 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 Basically, the WEST wants Russia weak, they want to install their own puppet government and kill Russia's solidarity and Christianity, basically same thing they did to their own country, enslave everyone. Basically, the west wants to rule the world, NWO or w/e they call themselves. People like Putin stand in their way, it's as simple as that I guess. This seems to be my take on it also. I don't know alot about Russia's policies, but I do know that Russia and China are allied against the west at the U.N. It seems Russia and China have a cyber-security proposal at the UN for making each state sovereign in its internet, to keep cyber attacks on grids from happening. The US is STRONGLY opposed to the proposal. This with the US going forward on the missile defense shield, has increased tension between the west and Russia. This seems like the US has a hand in destabilizing Russia. Divide and conquer technique used in Iraq, during the Soviet- Iraq war, where the US propted up numerous groups like al Qaeda, Haqanni, ect. I sure hope the Russian people calm this down, not following the lead to destablize their own government, I fear if this keeps going - they will lose their sovereignty through the sane route as Egypt. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6885932 United States12/10/2011 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 Basically, the WEST wants Russia weak, they want to install their own puppet government and kill Russia's solidarity and Christianity, basically same thing they did to their own country, enslave everyone. Basically, the west wants to rule the world, NWO or w/e they call themselves. People like Putin stand in their way, it's as simple as that I guess. This seems to be my take on it also. I don't know alot about Russia's policies, but I do know that Russia and China are allied against the west at the U.N. It seems Russia and China have a cyber-security proposal at the UN for making each state sovereign in its internet, to keep cyber attacks on grids from happening. The US is STRONGLY opposed to the proposal. This with the US going forward on the missile defense shield, has increased tension between the west and Russia. This seems like the US has a hand in destabilizing Russia. Divide and conquer technique used in Iraq, during the Soviet- Iraq war, where the US propted up numerous groups like al Qaeda, Haqanni, ect. I sure hope the Russian people calm this down, not following the lead to destablize their own government, I fear if this keeps going - they will lose their sovereignty through the sane route as Egypt. |
| Dr Doom User ID: 5399704 United States12/10/2011 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Putin will be Tsar in 2012. 1917 February democratic revolution against Tsarist Russia. October bolshevik revolution against democratic Russia. 1991 Communism falls and democracy rules. 2011 [?] Democracy falls and God's Anointed Orthodox Autocratic Tsar rules ! . __________ ____ |
| icsluca User ID: 6887928 Romania12/10/2011 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no one wants a "barbaric" russia, that is a danger to the world. we hope you get so civilized that you become neutral like the swiss Quoting: icsluca You wish. Roman Catholic Church is the real danger to the world. So if we become 'gay' - who will save YOU from those fucktards? :) partially good point I don't like the vatican either, but when russia saves us it usually means it occupies us! between the pope and putin I'd rather deal with the pope. now did you just call the swiss people gay?:))) I didn't say that! You did. =) Well if RCC thought their 'christianity' thing makes us forget what AK-47 is - they're mistaken. So you'd rather go and deal with the pope, he sure knows how to mind control masses.. :) I mean get life, politics is for losers. the pope is a 80 year old dude, his arm is preaching. the only bad thing he can do is to bore people. meanwhile putin is a former kgb spy, judo champion, excellent horse rider master of russia! tell me this: is the orthodox church much better than the RCC? we are building in Bucharest a 200 million euro church!!! that doesn't seem very Christian to me luca |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1277248 Serbia12/10/2011 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 it's not putin's merit for russia's economic rise. considering all the resources they have, and which they use, it would be almost impossible not to have economic increase. the people are fed up of tyrants and corruption. i don't think corruption will ever go away yeah right. They had the same resources in the past yet they were living like shit under the communists and the Yeltsin's robber barrons. |
| icsluca User ID: 6887928 Romania12/10/2011 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 it's not putin's merit for russia's economic rise. considering all the resources they have, and which they use, it would be almost impossible not to have economic increase. the people are fed up of tyrants and corruption. i don't think corruption will ever go away yeah right. They had the same resources in the past yet they were living like shit under the communists and the Yeltsin's robber barrons. they were communists in the past. communists regimes are bad and stupid. on Yeltsin's time they were going from communism to a sort of capitalism and that is not easy at all. you should all this, you lived in a communist regime too. luca |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1277248 Serbia12/10/2011 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 it's not putin's merit for russia's economic rise. considering all the resources they have, and which they use, it would be almost impossible not to have economic increase. the people are fed up of tyrants and corruption. i don't think corruption will ever go away yeah right. They had the same resources in the past yet they were living like shit under the communists and the Yeltsin's robber barrons. they were communists in the past. communists regimes are bad and stupid. on Yeltsin's time they were going from communism to a sort of capitalism and that is not easy at all. you should all this, you lived in a communist regime too. no shit sherlock, and there are communists in the streets protesting against the Putin, wishing for the "good old days" to come back and destroy Russia once and for all. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6876255  Luxembourg12/10/2011 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Dr Doom Putin will be Tsar in 2012. 1917 February democratic revolution against Tsarist Russia. October bolshevik revolution against democratic Russia. 1991 Communism falls and democracy rules. 2011 [?] Democracy falls and God's Anointed Orthodox Autocratic Tsar rules ! . i didn't think it possible, but you just thought of way of making Putin even more awesome. Putin as tsar, fancy that. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6885932 United States12/10/2011 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is this REALLY about? From what I have seen, Putin and Medevev had moved Russia along in prosperity and actually bolstered the economy as well as the way of life for the people of Russia. I certainly haven't heard of long term unrest in Russia, like here in the states, and if it is the case that there has been long term problems, why is the pot just now boiling over? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6885932 it's not putin's merit for russia's economic rise. considering all the resources they have, and which they use, it would be almost impossible not to have economic increase. the people are fed up of tyrants and corruption. i don't think corruption will ever go away yeah right. They had the same resources in the past yet they were living like shit under the communists and the Yeltsin's robber barrons. I have to agree, the resouces haven't changed. The leadership has. But what is the truth? IS Russia better off today than in the decades before the 1990's? It seems so. Has the economy started on a track that leads to growth after that time. It seems so. Communist systems are hard to dismantle, it takes time, and it seems Russian policies are trying to speed up the time it takes to integrate full democracy into a system that had no way of allowing for economic reforms under a capitalist system. Here in the US, we are going the opposite direction, we are systematically tearing down economic capitalist system forging ahead into socialism and then marching towards communism, as Marx wrote about. I would much rather have a government that is trying to dismantle communist systems to allow for economic freedoms, whether it was corrupt or not, than to have a government trying to take away my economic freedoms like we in the US are going through as we speak. |
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| icsluca User ID: 6887928 Romania12/10/2011 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: icsluca it's not putin's merit for russia's economic rise. considering all the resources they have, and which they use, it would be almost impossible not to have economic increase. the people are fed up of tyrants and corruption. i don't think corruption will ever go away yeah right. They had the same resources in the past yet they were living like shit under the communists and the Yeltsin's robber barrons. they were communists in the past. communists regimes are bad and stupid. on Yeltsin's time they were going from communism to a sort of capitalism and that is not easy at all. you should all this, you lived in a communist regime too. no shit sherlock, and there are communists in the streets protesting against the Putin, wishing for the "good old days" to come back and destroy Russia once and for all. i don't get your point. communists don't want to destroy russia but to restore the USSR. luca |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6885932 United States12/10/2011 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Dr Doom I hope j e w s , "LGBT" [homos] and the other scum of the earth join the protests so the Russian people will know what degenerate bed fellows democracy makes. . Democracy fails. Communism fails. Socialism fails. EVERY SYSTEM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO FAIL ESPECIALLY WHEN CORRUPTION TAKES HOLD. Communism does not allow for everyone to get a fair piece of the pie, it just allows for the corruption of the ones doling out that piece of pie, same as democracy. It is about cycles, the Russian communism had to die, because it had been tainted with corruption. AND THAT MEANS LESS FOR ALL WHO DEPEND ON THE SYSTEM. Now, the eople are needed to grow a capitalist system and they were used to smaller and smaller pices of the pie, and the mindset is stalling out the progress of creating a new cycle of economic systems. |
| icsluca User ID: 6887928 Romania12/10/2011 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Dr Doom I hope j e w s , "LGBT" [homos] and the other scum of the earth join the protests so the Russian people will know what degenerate bed fellows democracy makes. . Democracy fails. Communism fails. Socialism fails. EVERY SYSTEM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO FAIL ESPECIALLY WHEN CORRUPTION TAKES HOLD. Communism does not allow for everyone to get a fair piece of the pie, it just allows for the corruption of the ones doling out that piece of pie, same as democracy. It is about cycles, the Russian communism had to die, because it had been tainted with corruption. AND THAT MEANS LESS FOR ALL WHO DEPEND ON THE SYSTEM. Now, the eople are needed to grow a capitalist system and they were used to smaller and smaller pices of the pie, and the mindset is stalling out the progress of creating a new cycle of economic systems. no, even if there was no corruption communism would fail. communism fails because it's against the nature, the normal market. in communist regimes the industry, what is produced, by who, at what price, how much, is all dictated from the central government. corruption only speeds up the fall of any regime. luca |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6885932 United States12/10/2011 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Dr Doom I hope j e w s , "LGBT" [homos] and the other scum of the earth join the protests so the Russian people will know what degenerate bed fellows democracy makes. . Democracy fails. Communism fails. Socialism fails. EVERY SYSTEM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO FAIL ESPECIALLY WHEN CORRUPTION TAKES HOLD. Communism does not allow for everyone to get a fair piece of the pie, it just allows for the corruption of the ones doling out that piece of pie, same as democracy. It is about cycles, the Russian communism had to die, because it had been tainted with corruption. AND THAT MEANS LESS FOR ALL WHO DEPEND ON THE SYSTEM. Now, the eople are needed to grow a capitalist system and they were used to smaller and smaller pices of the pie, and the mindset is stalling out the progress of creating a new cycle of economic systems. no, even if there was no corruption communism would fail. communism fails because it's against the nature, the normal market. in communist regimes the industry, what is produced, by who, at what price, how much, is all dictated from the central government. corruption only speeds up the fall of any regime. I agree, it does go against a market system, which the dooms it to failure. Although, if there is enough money in the coffers of the central government, it will last and work for a period of time, until the central money supply is used up. Then it dies. Or a quicker death if corrupted. But, capitalism fails eventually too. There is only so much growth that can happen before implosion happens, the "bubbles" we have had prove that. Although, market capitalism cycles last the longest before death of the system. |
| Dr Doom User ID: 5399704 United States12/10/2011 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ___________ Quote: " i didn't think it possible, but you just thought of way of making Putin even more awesome. Putin as tsar, fancy that. " __________________ In 2002, on His 50th birthday, Vladimir Putin was given a very symbolic gift... an exact copy of Russia's most holy crown. . __________ ____ |
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