Popular Science Archives Hacked: May 2012 Issue Hints At Huge Internal Cover-up** Update We Got Into their archives GLP**

At least they're all strawberry or cherry filled.

... with frosting.

Some kind of narrative structure with just the basics of this convoluted tale:

- Start: "A mystery 140 years in the making." Takes us back to 1872, the year that Edward L Youmans founded Popular Science.

- 1896: shortly after opening the Flagstaff observatory, astronomer Percival Lowell ("the greatest populariser of science in America until Carl Sagan) is contacted by the eminent British scientist Herbert Spencer to join the Daedalens, his private group investigating manned flight.

- 1924: A meeting where NT - Nikolai Tesla? - promotes the development of a drone fleet of UAVs to patrol the earth. The PL - Percival Lowell? - contingent wanted to reach or contact Mars and its supposed civilisation

- 1937: Some kind of split occurs around the time of the Hindenburg disaster; the group that supports airships gets nicknamed "Icarus" (i.e. flew too close to the sun) by the other side who presumably support heavier than air craft.

- Undated: Reference is made to Amelia Earhart's disappearance, with the inference ("baseless accusations flying around" and later "I know the rumor about what they did to AE in '37 as though she'd been responsible for the Hindenburg somehow") that her death was some kind of score-settling for the Hindenburg.

- 1961: the Seven Stars cipher is "reactivated" and appears on PopSci magazine covers. This seems to be in relation to some event - Cuban Missile Crisis perhaps?

- Undated: Later there are two projects or teams:
1. ANGEL is a reference to the Deadelus group
2. PLEIADES refers to the seven sisters or Seven Stars, a breakaway group with a mole inside Daedalus.

- Undated: "The Angel project is the culmination of everything Daedalus was founded to achieve. A grand synthesis of science in a range of disciplines. A humanitarian network, connected with no one government, ready to respond to any crisis with supplies and rescue operations. A truly profound leap forward…"

The PLEIADES project seems to be UAV surveillance airships, albeit ones that are not armed (or at least, not supposed to be. Evidence suggests these will be armed in contravention of Daedalus's wishes)

- Undated: reference to the USS Shenandoah ZR-1 airship and the use of goldbeaters' skin to cover early 20th c airships. (Built 1922-23, destroyed over Ohio in a storm in 1925)

- Undated - presumably recent - reference to intelligent drones providing the basis for the Pleiades fleet, which seems to require ways of detecting humanitarian disasters on the ground. these designs which sound like permanently flying airships will have solar cells on their upper surface. Contains references to "Daedalus planes", possibly submarine-launched weapon-carrying UAVs like Lockheed's Cormorant MPUAV: [link to www.gizmag.com]

- Undated: supports idea that Pleiades are airships using AI to stay airborne and aware of the ground. Some link to the Daedalus planes' AI capabilities too.

It is a fun idea. YAY for fun ideas.

It reminds me a bit of HG Wells "The Shape of Things to Come" and his organisation Wings Over the World, an air fleet dedicated to bringing about utopia.

[link to www.blog.speculist.com]

Well done, sir!

It wasn't too tough to solve the cypher at the bottom of the page in the Popsci military ad that was mentioned earlier. Did a screen shot and took it into photoshop, here's the rather benign message, which appears to be a fragment of two longer sentences:

"the high tech world now and in the 21st century. So when it's time to start a career"

Hm, does that win me a job as a military code-cracker?

Well played...I, too, appreciate Ocham's axiom

Yeah, for a forum of "critical thinkers" Occam's Razor is all too often overlooked around here. Surprisingly so.

Meh, it all adds to the flavor, I guess.

Shit, I just got home from work. Did i miss some intelligent drama or what?

I do remember that episode of Through The wormhole - It might have been "is there a creator". The problem with the theory of us being a projection is the question of who would be the real deal so to speak - us, the projector or none of the former. Anyway further proof of the simulation theory might come when the Holometer results come in this year. I wonder if confirmed results would actually be released to the public.

Occam's razor works well for solving some problems, and it fails abysmally for others. It is certainly not the magic problem solver that self-described "skeptical thinkers" imagine it is.

Well, despite popular opinion, it's not supposed to "solve" anything.

It's called a "razor" because it's purpose is to "shave" metaphysics from physics.

To "trim the fat", if you will.

BBump...

Why would anyone want to terminate AE? What exacrly were those rumors back in '37/'38?

i believe it's a PR stunt, but clever.

also, about this: "Refs to studies on Perseus, Condor, Strato, and a fourth; name unknown? Please proceed!"

page 9 of [link to ntrs.nasa.gov] lists Perseus, Condor and Strato as NASA's 'turbocharged reciprocating engines'. another one is Theseus which is indeed a keyword that works.

Do any of you remember the I love bees/ halo stunt a few years ago?

Point taken. My point was that, in a situation where all the relevant information is not available, Occam's Razor tends to take one FURTHER from the correct solution, rather than closer.

When all the relevant information is not available then conclusions are not possible.

That doesn't stop people, now does it?

And "debunkers" are every bit as guilty as "true believers".

Oh. Quite right!

Hi Josh,hows the wife and baby?

Still going for your evening Jog?

Rhode Island is nice this time of year,is it not?

any more info?

this sequence was pulled from the pop sci article when you get through a few of the passwords this paragraph of random letters pops up there is one more on there with the same code or jibberish lol

I'm pretty certain that the message is not a number sequence, it is a sentence or paragraph. The code is a type of substitution cypher, they are very often arranged in sequences of 5 characters. Unfortunately there are a ton of different substitution cyphers and each has its own type of key. It would take a long time to identify the right cypher that is being used here and solve the puzzle, unless someone here is really familiar with cyphers and can recognize that type of key right away.

Last Edited by Urban on 04/28/2012 09:36 PM

for interest

The answer to the quote at the top is "clear"

it is a sam walton quote (sw) and it goes THE FUTURE IS NEAR, ALL IN THE CLEAR -SW

Does anyone know what the encryption is on the archive, how can I access the encrypted file/how can I download it???

when you type in "clear" to the search thing on the sevenstars archive page, you get this:

From: WSW
To: 7S_main
Due to cell organization of Daedalus I have access only to publishing arm. It is therefore difficult to be certain, but it is clear Daedaleans are closing in on operability. Most components are complete and there is increasing cross-chatter with other cells.
As to the intended outcome of the project, I have reason to suspect the Hypermusic.67 was not canceled; other skunkworks may have been scratched off government books but research not actually discontinued. Interference is implicated all the way back to NOLO operators.

Refs to studies on Perseus, Condor, Strato, and a fourth; name unknown? Please proceed!

PS. Appreciated the hint about using the archive's word frequency explorer. Makes it much easier to scan for covers and dated issues.

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