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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/11/2012 08:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't call me "honey." And I'm not arguing "sitchin," I'm simply telling you that what he claimed is not a rogue planet by definition. A planet that orbits a star is not a rogue planet. it goes back to the birth of our system. that's when Nibiru was captured by our system as a rogue planet. Quoting: l'eftThen it's no longer a rogue planet, it's a captured planet. Regardless of how the claim says it came to be here, it's not a rogue planet. you're the astronomer, you explain uranus on its side, and the chevron scar on miranda. Quoting: l'eftSimple. The early solar system was a violent place with protoplanets colliding with each other. It does not require the presence of a "rogue planet" nor even a captured planet. Sedna may be an example of a captured planet, though it's only a dwarf planet. Mike Browns take on Sedna: Variations on a theme called Tyche. Has nothing to do with "Nibiru." These are not the same things. Words have meaning, Nibiru suggests a massive planet with an orbital period of 3600 years and therefore a semi-major axis of about 235 AUs and an eccentricity that brings it into the inner solar system, Tyche suggests a massive planet with a semi-major axis measured in the 10's of thousands of AUs, and an eccentricity that does not bring it into the inner solar system. |
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Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/11/2012 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the point is that sitchin's theory states it was at one time a rogue planet and its initial interference seeded life on earth. nobody said it was still a rogue planet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15532319 Lefty did. He said Sitchin was saying it was a rogue planet. not sure if this has been addressed yet, but this proves exactly how unfamiliar with sitchin's work lefty is. Quoting: ACFixed. we'll take it from the experts, thank you very much Quoting: ACSitchin is not an expert in astronomy. actually, i did say it STARTED as a rogue planet. it's obviously not a rogue planet NOW, as it orbits the sun. it's not like you told me anything new with that, Cutie. and the "experts" referred to are ancient man, whose records reached back thousands of years and who, fortunately, were not bound by our modern assumptions. Last Edited by Mordier L'eft on 05/11/2012 12:27 PM --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/11/2012 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thanks, i think i will, Hot-stuff. Quoting: Mordier L'eft incidentally, Sitchin said PLANET Nibiru is at least 130 years out. tell me how visible that should be. no answer for that, astroshill? no? --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/11/2012 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. And now it's a star, not a planet? Just a minute ago you said it wasn't a brown dwarf, now you're saying it's a star? Quoting: Astromut no, that was a fucking typo you pedantic cunt. Oh right, "typo." Sure, I can see that, star and planet are nearly the same word. Happens to me all the time. |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/11/2012 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thanks, i think i will, Hot-stuff. Quoting: Mordier L'eft incidentally, Sitchin said PLANET Nibiru is at least 130 years out. tell me how visible that should be. no answer for that, astroshill? no? Post the orbital elements you claimed are in his book and I'll tell you. You still refuse to answer the question, yet you demand answers to questions that depend on the answer you refuse to give. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15894512 Croatia 05/11/2012 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Free-floating “rogue” planets may occasionally dip into the inner Solar System, according to new research by the University of Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology in the UK. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 737901 [link to www.universetoday.com] A few hundred thousand billion free-floating life-bearing Earth-sized planets may exist in the space between stars in the Milky Way. Since 1995, when the first extrasolar planet was reported, interest in searching for planets has reached a feverish pitch. The 750 or so detections of exoplanets are all of planets orbiting stars, and very few, if any, have been deemed potential candidates for life. The possibility of a much larger number of planets was first suggested in earlier studies where the effects of gravitational lensing of distant quasars by intervening planet-sized bodies were measured. Recently several groups of investigators have suggested that a few billion such objects could exist in the galaxy. Wickramasinghe and team have increased this grand total of planets to a few hundred thousand billion (a few thousand for every Milky Way star) - each one harbouring the legacy of cosmic primordial life. Reference: Wickramasinghe NC et al (2012). Life-bearing primordial planets in the solar vicinity. Astrophysics and Space Science; DOI 10.1007/s10509-012-1092-8 The full-text article is available to journalists on request. |
Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/11/2012 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. And now it's a star, not a planet? Just a minute ago you said it wasn't a brown dwarf, now you're saying it's a star? Quoting: Astromut no, that was a fucking typo you pedantic cunt. Oh right, "typo." Sure, I can see that, star and planet are nearly the same word. Happens to me all the time. --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/11/2012 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thanks, i think i will, Hot-stuff. Quoting: Mordier L'eft incidentally, Sitchin said PLANET Nibiru is at least 130 years out. tell me how visible that should be. no answer for that, astroshill? no? Post the orbital elements you claimed are in his book and I'll tell you. You still refuse to answer the question, yet you demand answers to questions that depend on the answer you refuse to give. oh really? thank you that's very helpful. well, it being a minimum of 130 years out should give you an idea of its distance in AU. tell me....how visible would it be if it were also 30 degrees below the ecliptic? Last Edited by Mordier L'eft on 05/11/2012 05:15 PM --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 14554787 United States 05/11/2012 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Post the orbital elements you claimed are in his book and I'll tell you. You still refuse to answer the question, yet you demand answers to questions that depend on the answer you refuse to give. oh really? thank you that's very helpful. well, it being a minimum of 130 years out should give you an idea of its distance in AU. No, post the orbital elements. Telling me the time to perihelion and nothing more tells me jack shit. Post the orbital elements of your claim. |
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Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/11/2012 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell me....how visible would it be if it were also 30 degrees below the ecliptic? Quoting: Mordier L'eft Has nothing to do with it. I can observe 30 degrees below the ecliptic with no trouble at all. even as far out as 130 years (at a minimum, more likely to be well over 250 years away)...how easy would it be to find if it was a PLANET, in a retrograde orbit, AT LEAST 30 degrees below the ecliptic? that's OBVIOUSLY something that's just plainly visible to even to least trained amateur astronomer, right? totally. shouldn't even need a looking glass or even a chart, huh, Hot-Tits? especially since absolutely ALL the points in our sky have been charted, recorded, and named, right? they have been, haven't they? and especially since this phenomenon has not been recorded by modern science, that should make it easier to see, if it's there, right -- among the thousands and thousands of lights in the sky, right? because astronomers never make new discoveries in old star charts, right? hm. guess i should just point my glass at the sky. if it's not there, then everyone else must be wrong. the onus is never on you, the others should do all the work, right? how about you stop shilling the nibiru threads and explore the forum, i hear they talk about a lot out there. Last Edited by Mordier L'eft on 05/11/2012 05:39 PM --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/11/2012 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell me....how visible would it be if it were also 30 degrees below the ecliptic? Quoting: Mordier L'eft Has nothing to do with it. I can observe 30 degrees below the ecliptic with no trouble at all. even as far out as 130 years (at a minimum, more likely to be well over 250 years away)...how easy would it be to find if it was a PLANET, in a retrograde orbit, AT LEAST 30 degrees below the ecliptic? Nothing you said would make it difficult. Now answer the question, what are the orbital elements? It's not possible to actually answer your original question without the elements, and rather than provide them, you keep throwing up ridiculous red herrings that would not actually prevent discovery by amateur astronomers but you act like it would. Hot-Tits? Quoting: leftyStop putting words in my mouth and stop calling me names. There are many serious amateur astronomers out there, myself included, who are far more experienced at observing the skies than most other people and are fully capable of finding and plotting the orbits of objects in space, even some TPTB would rather us not know about. especially since absolutely ALL the points in our sky have been charted, recorded, and named, right? Quoting: leftyAll-sky surveys have indeed been conducted, including by amateurs. how about you stop shilling the nibiru threads Quoting: leftyHow about you stop calling me names and answer the fucking question. WHAT ARE THE ORBITAL ELEMENTS?! ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION OR THIS CONVERSATION IS OVER. |
Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/11/2012 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell me....how visible would it be if it were also 30 degrees below the ecliptic? Quoting: Mordier L'eft Has nothing to do with it. I can observe 30 degrees below the ecliptic with no trouble at all. even as far out as 130 years (at a minimum, more likely to be well over 250 years away)...how easy would it be to find if it was a PLANET, in a retrograde orbit, AT LEAST 30 degrees below the ecliptic? Nothing you said would make it difficult. Now answer the question, what are the orbital elements? It's not possible to actually answer your original question without the elements, and rather than provide them, you keep throwing up ridiculous red herrings that would not actually prevent discovery by amateur astronomers but you act like it would. Hot-Tits? Quoting: leftyStop putting words in my mouth and stop calling me names. There are many serious amateur astronomers out there, myself included, who are far more experienced at observing the skies than most other people and are fully capable of finding and plotting the orbits of objects in space, even some TPTB would rather us not know about. especially since absolutely ALL the points in our sky have been charted, recorded, and named, right? Quoting: leftyAll-sky surveys have indeed been conducted, including by amateurs. how about you stop shilling the nibiru threads Quoting: leftyHow about you stop calling me names and answer the fucking question. WHAT ARE THE ORBITAL ELEMENTS?! ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION OR THIS CONVERSATION IS OVER. how about this. i'm giving you information from a book that is not compiled as a report. i WOULD literally, need to type out an entire 30+ page chapter to give you the information that professional astronomers have found on this, as it is not presented in point-form. frankly, i don't feel like putting the effort of distilling the information from this source for someone like you. go do some reading. --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/11/2012 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Has nothing to do with it. I can observe 30 degrees below the ecliptic with no trouble at all. even as far out as 130 years (at a minimum, more likely to be well over 250 years away)...how easy would it be to find if it was a PLANET, in a retrograde orbit, AT LEAST 30 degrees below the ecliptic? Nothing you said would make it difficult. Now answer the question, what are the orbital elements? It's not possible to actually answer your original question without the elements, and rather than provide them, you keep throwing up ridiculous red herrings that would not actually prevent discovery by amateur astronomers but you act like it would. Hot-Tits? Quoting: leftyStop putting words in my mouth and stop calling me names. There are many serious amateur astronomers out there, myself included, who are far more experienced at observing the skies than most other people and are fully capable of finding and plotting the orbits of objects in space, even some TPTB would rather us not know about. especially since absolutely ALL the points in our sky have been charted, recorded, and named, right? Quoting: leftyAll-sky surveys have indeed been conducted, including by amateurs. how about you stop shilling the nibiru threads Quoting: leftyHow about you stop calling me names and answer the fucking question. WHAT ARE THE ORBITAL ELEMENTS?! ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION OR THIS CONVERSATION IS OVER. how about this. i'm giving you information from a book that is not compiled as a report. i WOULD literally, need to type out an entire 30+ page chapter WRONG! You would only need to type the six orbital elements of the object, that's it, six fucking numbers. You can't do it because it doesn't exist in your "30+ page report." It's not up to me to waste my time reading your 30 page report only to find out it's not there, it's up to you to post the elements, especially since you're asking a question that requires that information. You have completely and utterly failed, you are totally debunked, this discussion is over. |
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Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/11/2012 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mordier L'eft even as far out as 130 years (at a minimum, more likely to be well over 250 years away)...how easy would it be to find if it was a PLANET, in a retrograde orbit, AT LEAST 30 degrees below the ecliptic? Nothing you said would make it difficult. Now answer the question, what are the orbital elements? It's not possible to actually answer your original question without the elements, and rather than provide them, you keep throwing up ridiculous red herrings that would not actually prevent discovery by amateur astronomers but you act like it would. Hot-Tits? Quoting: leftyStop putting words in my mouth and stop calling me names. There are many serious amateur astronomers out there, myself included, who are far more experienced at observing the skies than most other people and are fully capable of finding and plotting the orbits of objects in space, even some TPTB would rather us not know about. especially since absolutely ALL the points in our sky have been charted, recorded, and named, right? Quoting: leftyAll-sky surveys have indeed been conducted, including by amateurs. how about you stop shilling the nibiru threads Quoting: leftyHow about you stop calling me names and answer the fucking question. WHAT ARE THE ORBITAL ELEMENTS?! ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION OR THIS CONVERSATION IS OVER. how about this. i'm giving you information from a book that is not compiled as a report. i WOULD literally, need to type out an entire 30+ page chapter WRONG! You would only need to type the six orbital elements of the object, that's it, six fucking numbers. You can't do it because it doesn't exist in your "30+ page report." It's not up to me to waste my time reading your 30 page report only to find out it's not there, it's up to you to post the elements, especially since you're asking a question that requires that information. You have completely and utterly failed, you are totally debunked, this discussion is over. what did i just say? i said that it is not written out as a report, he spends dozens of pages discussing professional and government astronomers and the real work they've done in searching for this planet. he does this in an anecdotal manner, so yes, i would have to distill this information from the rest. if you're unaware of the real world work done on this over the last 30 years then you're not much an amateur, are you....that must be why you place "Astronomer" in "quotation marks".... Last Edited by Mordier L'eft on 05/11/2012 06:38 PM --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/12/2012 09:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Nothing you said would make it difficult. Now answer the question, what are the orbital elements? It's not possible to actually answer your original question without the elements, and rather than provide them, you keep throwing up ridiculous red herrings that would not actually prevent discovery by amateur astronomers but you act like it would. ... Stop putting words in my mouth and stop calling me names. There are many serious amateur astronomers out there, myself included, who are far more experienced at observing the skies than most other people and are fully capable of finding and plotting the orbits of objects in space, even some TPTB would rather us not know about. ... All-sky surveys have indeed been conducted, including by amateurs. ... How about you stop calling me names and answer the fucking question. WHAT ARE THE ORBITAL ELEMENTS?! ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION OR THIS CONVERSATION IS OVER. how about this. i'm giving you information from a book that is not compiled as a report. i WOULD literally, need to type out an entire 30+ page chapter WRONG! You would only need to type the six orbital elements of the object, that's it, six fucking numbers. You can't do it because it doesn't exist in your "30+ page report." It's not up to me to waste my time reading your 30 page report only to find out it's not there, it's up to you to post the elements, especially since you're asking a question that requires that information. You have completely and utterly failed, you are totally debunked, this discussion is over. what did i just say? i said that it is not written out as a report, he spends dozens of pages discussing professional and government astronomers and the real work they've done in searching for this planet. he does this in an anecdotal manner, so yes, i would have to distill this information from the rest YOU CLAIMED HE PROVIDED ORBITAL ELEMENTS AND ASTROMETRIC MEASUREMENTS USED TO DETERMINE THEM, HE EITHER DID OR HE DIDN'T, WHICH MEANS YOU EITHER LIED OR YOU DIDN'T! IF YOU TOLD THE TRUTH, POST THE SIX FUCKING ORBITAL ELEMENTS NOW! |
Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/14/2012 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mordier L'eft how about this. i'm giving you information from a book that is not compiled as a report. i WOULD literally, need to type out an entire 30+ page chapter WRONG! You would only need to type the six orbital elements of the object, that's it, six fucking numbers. You can't do it because it doesn't exist in your "30+ page report." It's not up to me to waste my time reading your 30 page report only to find out it's not there, it's up to you to post the elements, especially since you're asking a question that requires that information. You have completely and utterly failed, you are totally debunked, this discussion is over. what did i just say? i said that it is not written out as a report, he spends dozens of pages discussing professional and government astronomers and the real work they've done in searching for this planet. he does this in an anecdotal manner, so yes, i would have to distill this information from the rest YOU CLAIMED HE PROVIDED ORBITAL ELEMENTS AND ASTROMETRIC MEASUREMENTS USED TO DETERMINE THEM, HE EITHER DID OR HE DIDN'T, WHICH MEANS YOU EITHER LIED OR YOU DIDN'T! IF YOU TOLD THE TRUTH, POST THE SIX FUCKING ORBITAL ELEMENTS NOW! what, now? --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 05/14/2012 12:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Free-floating “rogue” planets may occasionally dip into the inner Solar System, according to new research by the University of Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology in the UK. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 737901 [link to www.universetoday.com] hahaha Is this the stupid and ridiculous crap that thought up to explain away the RAPTURE that will happen very soon? How many people do you think will buy this? Probably most of the people left behind. Sad, that they's believe this crap over God. |
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Mordier L'eft User ID: 13691144 Canada 05/14/2012 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Free-floating “rogue” planets may occasionally dip into the inner Solar System, according to new research by the University of Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology in the UK. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 737901 [link to www.universetoday.com] hahaha Is this the stupid and ridiculous crap that thought up to explain away the RAPTURE that will happen very soon? How many people do you think will buy this? Probably most of the people left behind. Sad, that they's believe this crap over God. cool story, bro... --"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos. |
:) User ID: 16076723 Canada 05/14/2012 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't call me "honey." And I'm not arguing "sitchin," I'm simply telling you that what he claimed is not a rogue planet by definition. A planet that orbits a star is not a rogue planet. it goes back to the birth of our system. that's when Nibiru was captured by our system as a rogue planet. Quoting: l'eftThen it's no longer a rogue planet, it's a captured planet. Regardless of how the claim says it came to be here, it's not a rogue planet. you're the astronomer, you explain uranus on its side, and the chevron scar on miranda. Quoting: l'eftSimple. The early solar system was a violent place with protoplanets colliding with each other. It does not require the presence of a "rogue planet" nor even a captured planet. Sedna may be an example of a captured planet, though it's only a dwarf planet. Mike Browns take on Sedna: Variations on a theme called Tyche. Has nothing to do with "Nibiru." These are not the same things. Words have meaning, Nibiru suggests a massive planet with an orbital period of 3600 years and therefore a semi-major axis of about 235 AUs and an eccentricity that brings it into the inner solar system, Tyche suggests a massive planet with a semi-major axis measured in the 10's of thousands of AUs, and an eccentricity that does not bring it into the inner solar system. I'll repeat Brown's point in case you missed or ignored it and its implications: "Something had to have kicked Sedna to have given it its crazy orbit. But what? The answer is: something large that is no longer there, or that is there, but we don’t know about yet. This answer is astounding. The orbit of every single other object in the entire solar system can be explained, at least in principle, by some interaction with the known planets (and, again, for you Oort cloud sticklers out there, the known galactic environment). Sedna alone requires Something Else Out There." [link to www.mikebrownsplanets.com] |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 14554787 United States 05/15/2012 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Don't call me "honey." And I'm not arguing "sitchin," I'm simply telling you that what he claimed is not a rogue planet by definition. A planet that orbits a star is not a rogue planet. ... Then it's no longer a rogue planet, it's a captured planet. Regardless of how the claim says it came to be here, it's not a rogue planet. ... Simple. The early solar system was a violent place with protoplanets colliding with each other. It does not require the presence of a "rogue planet" nor even a captured planet. Sedna may be an example of a captured planet, though it's only a dwarf planet. Mike Browns take on Sedna: Variations on a theme called Tyche. Has nothing to do with "Nibiru." These are not the same things. Words have meaning, Nibiru suggests a massive planet with an orbital period of 3600 years and therefore a semi-major axis of about 235 AUs and an eccentricity that brings it into the inner solar system, Tyche suggests a massive planet with a semi-major axis measured in the 10's of thousands of AUs, and an eccentricity that does not bring it into the inner solar system. I'll repeat Brown's point in case you missed or ignored it and its implications: I neither missed nor ignored it. Like I said, variations on a theme called Tyche. Has nothing to do with "Nibiru." I guess you don't understand the difference between "Nibiru" and an actual valid hypothesis like Tyche. Your ignorance has somehow lead you to believe that I ignored Brown's point, which is rather amusing since that's the exact opposite of what I did. |