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URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984

 
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Welcome to the first passage of Uranus in square to Pluto. Only six more passages to go in the next 33 months. As promised, it’s going to be a very wild ride. For more on this powerful geocosmic signature, please feel free to view an article I have written on “Uranus and Pluto: The Exploding Debt Crisis,” which was recently published in The Mountain Astrologer. You can now read this article on our web site at [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
“Capitalism was an economic system in which the private sector drove the economic process through saving, capital accumulation, and investment. The government’s role was very limited. The United States has not had that kind of economic system for decades… Almost all the major industries are subsidized in one way or the other by the government and almost half the households receive some kind of government assistance… the economic system is no longer driven by savings and investment. Instead, it is driven by borrowing and consumption. This is not capitalism. Market forces no longer drive the economy. The current system is government- directed, but not planned… deficit spending and fiat money have allowed the government to satisfy all those competing demands for more than a generation.”– Richard Duncan, “The New Depression: The Breakdown of the Paper Money Economy.”


It’s here. The most powerful and transformative aspect of the new 21st century officially got underway this past week. It is the first quarter phase of the 112-147 year Uranus-Pluto cycle, and it began on June 24. As we look at last week’s news, we see several example of the principles of this dynamic duo being expressed: historical wildfires burning in Colorado; record high temperatures in many parts of the United States causing fears of drought and sending grain prices sharply higher; revelations of Stuxnet – the deployment of a computer worm by the United States and Israel to wreak havoc against an Iranian nuclear facility; the further downgrade of 15 more countries by Moody’s rating service; the crisis – and sudden reversal about solutions - in Europe that threatens both its currency and union; the allegation by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter that the United States is abandoning its role as a champion of human rights and instead violating those very rights (International Herald Tribune, June 25, 2012), an Islamic declared the winner in Egyptian elections following the overthrow of its president one year before, and the surprising decision of the U.S. Supreme Court to uphold the Affordable Health Care Act, made victorious by Chief Justice Robert’s unexpected alignment with the proponents.... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Where is the right answer?


If government spending and credit expansion stops, there will be a Depression on the lines of what happened the last time Uranus squared Pluto (1931-1934). If government debt and the escalation of credit is ramped up again via the creation of more fiat money by the Fed to support more spending by the government, then the day of reckoning will be even worse when it does come due later on (called “kicking the can down the road”).


But the astrological symbolism of “The Day of Reckoning” is coming up quite soon, as Saturn (accountability) will enter Scorpio (debt and reform) in October 2012. Saturn will remain there, and in mutual reception to Pluto in Capricorn, through September 2015 – just about the same amount of time that Uranus will be in square to Pluto (June 24, 2012-March 17, 2015).


Yet there is hope. Saturn will not only be in mutual reception to Pluto, but these two dark but realistic forces of the cosmos will be in a favorable sextile (60 degree relationship) to one another December 26, 2012 through September 22, 2013 (see “Forecast 2012” book for more details). It is possible to devise a long-term plan to resolve – correct – the debt explosion then. But it will take a long-term plan, and the government will have to be part of it. The government will also – in all likelihood – have to undergo the very austerity measures they ask their people to accept. In other words, this concept of austerity (sacrifice) proclaimed as necessary by nearly every government on earth, has to pertain to government spending – the public sector – and not just to the private sector and individual in terms of more taxes and regulations and hence reduced business. Both sides will have to agree to sacrifices and austerity measures to make Saturn-Pluto work effectively, for Saturn is best when it reduces (not expands) and Pluto is best when it is allowed to reform (not destroy and terminate).


Amidst all this, the basic principle of economics will have to be supported. That is, you need increased revenues and decreased expenses (spending) to get control over the debt. That’s a challenge, for one side says the only way you can increase employment is for the government to spend more, not less, and the other side says you can increase employment without incurring greater government expenditures by reducing taxes on both individuals and small businesses, thereby providing more money for the consumer to spend without increasing his/her debt load.


With Jupiter in square to Neptune right now, everyone is celebrating more bailouts, government spending, and a retreat from austerity. But Jupiter leaves this aspect soon, and reality will creep in once again. The austerity theme is far from dead. In typical Pluto-in-Capricorn fashion, it will rise again from the dead because – let’s face it – governments can’t afford to keep spending far more than they are bringing in ad infinitum. At some point the spending must bring a return – as in a good investment. But for that to happen, our leaders need to plan more wisely for the long-term, instead of just the next election cycle. And those who are willing to plan realistically far ahead like this – and to tell people the truth about the situation - will need the support of that nation’s people. [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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The Uranus-Pluto square will impact the full spectrum, not just financial matters. This summer's "out-of-control" weather pattern is just too consistent with Uranus-Pluto's signature "out-of-control" dynamics to be a coincidence.

Last summer, when this aspect came within just one degree of exactitude, we saw similar record-breaking weather patterns. In Texas, for example, they suffered through 68 consecutive days of 100+ temps.

Today I got up and read in the news that 3.5 million Americans were without power because of a big storm that passed through, and now they will have to face this next week's scorching temps without any AC. If you want the masses to get "out-of-control", that's as good a recipe as any.
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
the astrological symbolism of “The Day of Reckoning” is coming up quite soon, as Saturn (accountability) will enter Scorpio (debt and reform) in October 2012. Saturn will remain there, and in mutual reception to Pluto in Capricorn, through September 2015 – just about the same amount of time that Uranus will be in square to Pluto (June 24, 2012-March 17, 2015).
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That would certainly be a counterindication for our government raising the debt ceiling any higher during that period.
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The Uranus-Pluto square will impact the full spectrum, not just financial matters. This summer's "out-of-control" weather pattern is just too consistent with Uranus-Pluto's signature "out-of-control" dynamics to be a coincidence.

Last summer, when this aspect came within just one degree of exactitude, we saw similar record-breaking weather patterns. In Texas, for example, they suffered through 68 consecutive days of 100+ temps.

Today I got up and read in the news that 3.5 million Americans were without power because of a big storm that passed through, and now they will have to face this next week's scorching temps without any AC. If you want the masses to get "out-of-control", that's as good a recipe as any.
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Gezzz... 3,5 million homes without power??? Please give a link??? Your post is great and very true!
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Saturn will not only be in mutual reception to Pluto, but these two dark but realistic forces of the cosmos will be in a favorable sextile (60 degree relationship) to one another December 26, 2012 through September 22, 2013 (see “Forecast 2012” book for more details). It is possible to devise a long-term plan to resolve – correct – the debt explosion then. But it will take a long-term plan, and the government will have to be part of it. The government will also – in all likelihood – have to undergo the very austerity measures they ask their people to accept. In other words, this concept of austerity (sacrifice) proclaimed as necessary by nearly every government on earth, has to pertain to government spending – the public sector – and not just to the private sector and individual in terms of more taxes and regulations and hence reduced business. Both sides will have to agree to sacrifices and austerity measures....
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I just don't see that happening under the Uranus-Pluto square. Uranus-Pluto likes to break things, not fix them. It inspires conflict and discord, not cooperation and compromises. The last Uranus-Pluto square was in effect from 1931-34, and ushered in the breakdown of the system, not its later repair. We saw the Bonus Army, the Farmer's Revolt, the abandonment of the Gold Standard, the rise of Hitler, a bank holiday, the first Nazi concentration camps, the prohibition of private gold ownership, the rise of Pretty Boy Floyd, Machine-Gun Kelly, the Barrow Gang, and other depression-era gangsters, the collapse of the League of Nations, and the Dust Bowl.

Are we seeing history repeat itself? Even including the weather?
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The Uranus-Pluto square will impact the full spectrum, not just financial matters. This summer's "out-of-control" weather pattern is just too consistent with Uranus-Pluto's signature "out-of-control" dynamics to be a coincidence.

Last summer, when this aspect came within just one degree of exactitude, we saw similar record-breaking weather patterns. In Texas, for example, they suffered through 68 consecutive days of 100+ temps.

Today I got up and read in the news that 3.5 million Americans were without power because of a big storm that passed through, and now they will have to face this next week's scorching temps without any AC. If you want the masses to get "out-of-control", that's as good a recipe as any.
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Gezzz... 3,5 million homes without power??? Please give a link??? Your post is great and very true!
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Well, I saw a story that said 3.5, but now I can only find a story that says 2.

[link to news.yahoo.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Saturn will not only be in mutual reception to Pluto, but these two dark but realistic forces of the cosmos will be in a favorable sextile (60 degree relationship) to one another December 26, 2012 through September 22, 2013 (see “Forecast 2012” book for more details). It is possible to devise a long-term plan to resolve – correct – the debt explosion then. But it will take a long-term plan, and the government will have to be part of it. The government will also – in all likelihood – have to undergo the very austerity measures they ask their people to accept. In other words, this concept of austerity (sacrifice) proclaimed as necessary by nearly every government on earth, has to pertain to government spending – the public sector – and not just to the private sector and individual in terms of more taxes and regulations and hence reduced business. Both sides will have to agree to sacrifices and austerity measures....
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I just don't see that happening under the Uranus-Pluto square. Uranus-Pluto likes to break things, not fix them. It inspires conflict and discord, not cooperation and compromises. The last Uranus-Pluto square was in effect from 1931-34, and ushered in the breakdown of the system, not its later repair. We saw the Bonus Army, the Farmer's Revolt, the abandonment of the Gold Standard, the rise of Hitler, a bank holiday, the first Nazi concentration camps, the prohibition of private gold ownership, the rise of Pretty Boy Floyd, Machine-Gun Kelly, the Barrow Gang, and other depression-era gangsters, the collapse of the League of Nations, and the Dust Bowl.

Are we seeing history repeat itself? Even including the weather?
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Well Uranus square Pluto deals with extremes... extreme events that we are not expected and we are not capable to deal properly... this events on record temp., financial meltdown and explosive politic changes, social unrest, big sismic and volcanic events, death of important people in the rule of countries...
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So how's Portugal, my new friend? Someone whose opinion I respect once told me to keep my eyes on Portugal, that Portugal would give the world a sign before the great collapse.
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So how's Portugal, my new friend? Someone whose opinion I respect once told me to keep my eyes on Portugal, that Portugal would give the world a sign before the great collapse.
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Well we are trying to deal with problems positively... but people are becoming to desperate. Dispite of austherity measures deficit reach 7,9%!!!
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When I read this post I grabbed randomly one of my many astrology books and looked up Uranus-Pluto... Thought was very meaningful... Book is... Key Words For Astrology : Banhaf& Haebler. Uranus and PLuto interactions, the keyword is "metemorphisis".

"Archetype: The Rebel and the Powerful Person"
I thought this was so perfect it represents everything that is going on, occupy movement, Federal Reserve, Wars, civil unrest, along with the financial turmoil etc...

General statement : "Sudden deep-reaching changes. Rebellion against dependence and suppression. Bursting the bonds."
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
When I read this post I grabbed randomly one of my many astrology books and looked up Uranus-Pluto... Thought was very meaningful... Book is... Key Words For Astrology : Banhaf& Haebler. Uranus and PLuto interactions, the keyword is "metemorphisis".

"Archetype: The Rebel and the Powerful Person"
I thought this was so perfect it represents everything that is going on, occupy movement, Federal Reserve, Wars, civil unrest, along with the financial turmoil etc...

General statement : "Sudden deep-reaching changes. Rebellion against dependence and suppression. Bursting the bonds."
 Quoting: danidee22


Yesterday our economy minister was attaked by demonstrators that jump in front of his car and up of it... this never ever happened here in Portugal!
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The Higgs Bosun was discovered under the Uranus-Pluto square. That timing tells us that this discovery is very potent and will lead to dramatic developments.
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The Higgs Bosun was discovered under the Uranus-Pluto square. That timing tells us that this discovery is very potent and will lead to dramatic developments.
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Infortunately i have to agree...
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The Higgs Bosun was discovered under the Uranus-Pluto square. That timing tells us that this discovery is very potent and will lead to dramatic developments.
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Infortunately i have to agree...
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Short-Term Geocosmics


Heliocentric Mercury continues in Sagittarius through July 17. This is a time when many financial markets can make very large price swings, especially in precious metals, crude oil, and foreign currencies. But the most dramatic part of this transit might be right at the end, and even a little beyond. On Friday, July 13, Uranus will turn retrograde, once again highlighting the abrupt and sudden changes characteristic of this planet. The very next day, Mercury will also turn retrograde, which is a lot like Uranus. This promises to be a time of brilliant futuristic ideas, but also strange occurrences in communications with unexpected disruptions. It can be a dangerous time too, for it is as if the earth is having a nervous breakdown (Uranus and Mercury have a correspondence to the nervous system, but in this case it can refer to an electrical grid). On the same day, July 14, the Sun will square Saturn, which can be a signature of delays or loss.


But it doesn’t quite end there. The following week Mars will make a T-square (translation) to the Uranus-Pluto square (July 17-18). Mars will also trine Jupiter during that time. The combination becomes a signature of very large price swings in equity markets. My colleague Arch Crawford of “Crawford’s Perspectives” in Tucson, Arizona refers to the Mars-Uranus pairing as a “crash signature.” We’ve already seen dramatic price movements and reversals in financial markets happen suddenly whenever planets have touched off this Uranus-Pluto square in the past month. We should not be surprised if it starts up again later this week and into next week. If I were to choose one phrase that might best described the period of July 12-19, it would be “shock and awe.” As a trader, you have to be alert and nimble to capitalize on this set up. Expect big moves, but don’t expect them to last very long. And by all means, don’t be complacent – unless you enjoy the feeling of being suddenly awakened out of a deep slumber.... [link to www.mmacycles.com]

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...for the next week, you are going to hear a lot about Mercury turning retrograde, which indeed does take place from July 14 through August 8. That’s a crazy enough period by itself, because it correlates to a turn-about in understanding, as in “misunderstandings.” But this period may be especially crazy (after Moon leaves Taurus on Saturday, July 14), because on the same day, July 14, Uranus also turns retrograde. And that can be even crazier than Mercury turning retrograde. So they just stimulate one another to greater heights of brilliance and perhaps in some cases, over-stimulation of the thinking… to the point of becoming irrational and chaotic. But it may be even more than that, because 1) Uranus is freshly squared to Pluto, 2) this Pluto-in-Capricorn kicks Uranus’ butt every time Uranus gets too out of bounds, and 3) Mars will be approaching its opposition to Uranus and T-square with Pluto on July 17-18 (Tuesday and Wednesday). Expect Uranus to get out of bounds with its aggression, and once again Pluto will come in to kick his butt shortly after. And this really starts late Saturday night into early Tuesday, when the Moon is in Gemini, home of that Mercury which turns retrograde, on same day as Uranus turning retrograde.... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Heliocentric Mercury will end its bout through Sagittarius on Tuesday, July 17. This is also the day that Mars will square Pluto and trine Jupiter. The next day Mars will be in opposition to Uranus, which is part of the Arch Crawford “crash cycle” referred to last week. Given that the Moon is leaving the friendly domain of Taurus after Friday’s close, and headed to the wacky and wild irrational brilliance of Gemini as we start next week (with Mercury and Uranus both turning retrograde), it could indeed correspond with a sharp reversal again. But it may just as quickly spring right back to life again as Jupiter heads to its sextile (favorable) to Uranus by next weekend, July 21.


There is a lot going on in the heavens right now. It is the first translation of a planet (Sun-Earth) to the Uranus-Pluto square since its first of seven square passages took place June 24. But as you can see, the nature of the planetary contacts forming now is on opposite sides of the spectrum. One half is conflicted and dramatic, and the other half is filled with surprisingly good news and developments. Financial markets usually respond with large price swings in short spans of time, known as whip-saws. Be careful of the whipsaws this week. Be careful of accidents, for anytime Mars and Uranus come together, it can be a period of unexpected dangers from Mother Nature or human aggressions. It a time of rebelliousness, when it is wiser to just not act on impulse in dealing with others. Think before acting out.... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Tuesday, July 17 [...] is also the day that Mars will square Pluto and trine Jupiter. The next day Mars will be in opposition to Uranus
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And what happened then?

Only the Colorado theater shootings. That's all.

Only one day off from Mars triggering the Uranus-Pluto square, we witnessed one of the worst mass murders in American history.

This Uranus-Pluto thing is the real deal. Every time one of the other planets triggers it over the next three years, I will be very apprehensive.
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Mars squared Pluto on July 17th, then opposed Uranus on the 18th, and then this theater shooting occurred 26 hours later.

The next times Mars triggers the Uranus-Pluto square are:

November 22-28, 2012
March 21 – 27 2013
July 26 – Aug 1 2013 (followed by Jupiter triggering the square through the remainder of August)
December 24 – December 31 2013

And then Jupiter triggers the square from January- April 2014, with Mars joining in April 22 – 24.

All these periods are high-risk, but the worst of them is in April 2014.
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Mars squared Pluto on July 17th, then opposed Uranus on the 18th, and then this theater shooting occurred 26 hours later.

The next times Mars triggers the Uranus-Pluto square are:

November 22-28, 2012
March 21 – 27 2013
July 26 – Aug 1 2013 (followed by Jupiter triggering the square through the remainder of August)
December 24 – December 31 2013

And then Jupiter triggers the square from January- April 2014, with Mars joining in April 22 – 24.

All these periods are high-risk, but the worst of them is in April 2014.
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Yes it's true! Good observation! Thank's!
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More “shock and awe” unfolded last week in the wake of the Mars translation to Uranus and Pluto the prior week, July 17-18. First of all, there was the horrific shooting spree in Aurora, Colorado that killed 12 innocent movie goers and wounded 58 others, by a young ex-graduate student of neuroscience named James Holmes. Then the charge of murder to Gu Kailai, wife of fallen Chinese Leader Bo Xilai, for the fatal poisoning of British businessman Neil Heywood. This is the truly dark side of Uranus square Pluto, which is just getting underway and will remain through March 2015. The senseless loss of life through human violence is consistent with the dynamics of this powerful long-term planetary cycle. ... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Mercury continues retrograde through August 8 as discussed at length in last week’s column. But for this coming week there are a slew of soft, harmonious aspects which are usually favorable in this type of market climate. However, there is also a full moon (Leo Sun, Aquarius Moon) August 2, and that can disrupt the evenness of this current rally.


Our sights are set more on the following two weeks, especially August 10-20 when Mars will conjunct Saturn (the astrological peak of the drought) in a point that is critical to the chart of the New York Stock Exchange (founded May 17, 1792). Mars will be at 22-27 degrees of Libra then. In the NYSE chart, Jupiter and Neptune are at 22-27 of Libra, and Saturn is in opposition at 26 degrees of Aries. This could be explosive, both in a mundane sense (for it pertains to military conflict and vehement disagreements) and financial markets. At its best, it is a time that can be favorable for organizing one’s life and getting a lot accomplished, if you are focused.... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
It might surprise them to wake up one day in the next 1-2 years to find out that they – both bankers and the lawmakers themselves – are being held accountable by their citizens, just as was the case in Iceland recently. You don’t read about this in the popular press because… well, you can figure it out. Just ask your search engine for results of “Iceland politicians taken to court.” With Uranus in waxing square to Pluto, and Pluto in Capricorn, it would not be surprising for the populace of many other nations to demand that their bankers and lawmakers be taken to court over their negligence that either failed to stop or even exasperated the exploding financial debt signified by Uranus in waxing square to Pluto. The thing is, this Uranus and Pluto square will soon form a grand square to the Sun-Saturn square in the USA birth chart. The Sun in a nation’s chart is its president and Saturn is its government. This is a powerful astrological event coming up for the United States in 2013-2015, something never quite seen before.


It sounds scary, doesn’t it? It sounds like a revolution is brewing. Does it have to be? No, of course not. We still live in a world of choices that determine the outcome. But those choices – or failure to make choices when the possibility is present - also have consequences. Just like elections do. With Uranus (the masses) square to Pluto (power), we live in a time when the cosmos implies that power is radically changing from the leaders to the people. Governments everywhere are on the precipice of a historical transformation as a result of the financial crisis, of the exploding world wide debt.


It makes you wonder if printing more dollars and Euros to buy more debt is really the solution to lessening that debt, especially when you know darn well that politicians won’t be using those funds to bring their debt down, but rather to finance more unaffordable spending programs, and hence incurring more – not less - debt. [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The crisis we are sliding into today, we won't emerge from until 2020. We have a long hard road ahead.

I rely heavily on return charts, especially SLRs, TLRs, and SRs. And I use the Lee Resolution Chart for America's horoscope (7/2/1776 at 6:31 PM, Philadelphia).

The Solar Returns tell the story, although you can see it all confirmed in the Tertiary Lunar Returns and Secondary Lunar Returns as well.

America's July 2012 Return has an angular Full Moon conjunct Pluto and square Uranus. That tells us that the crisis will begin in America before next summer.

America's July 2013 chart has Uranus cojunct the Ascendant, in a T-square with Pluto on the Midheaven opposite a Sun-Jupiter conjunction. This tells us that the crisis gets alot more intense between summer 2013 - summer 2014, and the government gets more authoritarian and the populace gets more restless, and big power struggles are dominating our nation and have taken away our peace of mind and replaced it with a sense of crisis.

America's July 2014 Solar Return has the Sun again angular, now conjunct the Ascendant, and in a wicked grand cross with Pluto, Uranus, and Mars on the other spokes. This tells us that the nation is in a cruel struggle during this very difficult year, and not much goes our way then.

America's 2015 Solar Return is very similar, with the Sun angular for the third chart in a row, now conjunct the Midheaven and Mars, and in a t-square with Pluto and Uranus. The strong Mars-Sun-Midheaven at the top of the chart speaks of all-out war between summer 2015 - summer 2016.

America's 2016 Solar Return indicates a change in status, with a wide New Moon opposite Pluto, and Saturn conjunct the Ascendant and square Neptune, this describes a greatly weakened nation in dire straits, suffering greatly but likely no longer at war.

America's 2017 Solar Return finds the nation's Sun again conjunct Mars and in a t-square with Pluto and now Jupiter, and Ascendant conjunct Neptune and square Saturn, indicating a weakened and suffering nation that again becomes aggressive and engages in great and violent power struggles this year.

America's 2018 Solar Return again finds the nation's Sun angular, conjunct the Ascendant but opposite Saturn and Pluto, indicating we are cruelly asserting our will and going up against some fierce and terrible enemies.

America's 2019 Solar return has a 10th house New Moon Eclipse opposing Pluto and Saturn, indicating a new and difficult beginning for our government between summer 2019 - summer 2020.

And finally, America's 2020 Solar Return is the first non-stressed SR in over a decade, indicating that teh crisis is finally over by summer 2020.

Our nation will go through hell both domestically and internationally between now and summer 2016. We will lick our wounds in 2016, begin a domestic mop-up/counteroffensive in 2017 that is completed in 2018, and then we reorganize the governmental structure in 2019.
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The crisis we are sliding into today, we won't emerge from until 2020. We have a long hard road ahead.

I rely heavily on return charts, especially SLRs, TLRs, and SRs. And I use the Lee Resolution Chart for America's horoscope (7/2/1776 at 6:31 PM, Philadelphia).

The Solar Returns tell the story, although you can see it all confirmed in the Tertiary Lunar Returns and Secondary Lunar Returns as well.

America's July 2012 Return has an angular Full Moon conjunct Pluto and square Uranus. That tells us that the crisis will begin in America before next summer.

America's July 2013 chart has Uranus cojunct the Ascendant, in a T-square with Pluto on the Midheaven opposite a Sun-Jupiter conjunction. This tells us that the crisis gets alot more intense between summer 2013 - summer 2014, and the government gets more authoritarian and the populace gets more restless, and big power struggles are dominating our nation and have taken away our peace of mind and replaced it with a sense of crisis.

America's July 2014 Solar Return has the Sun again angular, now conjunct the Ascendant, and in a wicked grand cross with Pluto, Uranus, and Mars on the other spokes. This tells us that the nation is in a cruel struggle during this very difficult year, and not much goes our way then.

America's 2015 Solar Return is very similar, with the Sun angular for the third chart in a row, now conjunct the Midheaven and Mars, and in a t-square with Pluto and Uranus. The strong Mars-Sun-Midheaven at the top of the chart speaks of all-out war between summer 2015 - summer 2016.

America's 2016 Solar Return indicates a change in status, with a wide New Moon opposite Pluto, and Saturn conjunct the Ascendant and square Neptune, this describes a greatly weakened nation in dire straits, suffering greatly but likely no longer at war.

America's 2017 Solar Return finds the nation's Sun again conjunct Mars and in a t-square with Pluto and now Jupiter, and Ascendant conjunct Neptune and square Saturn, indicating a weakened and suffering nation that again becomes aggressive and engages in great and violent power struggles this year.

America's 2018 Solar Return again finds the nation's Sun angular, conjunct the Ascendant but opposite Saturn and Pluto, indicating we are cruelly asserting our will and going up against some fierce and terrible enemies.

America's 2019 Solar return has a 10th house New Moon Eclipse opposing Pluto and Saturn, indicating a new and difficult beginning for our government between summer 2019 - summer 2020.

And finally, America's 2020 Solar Return is the first non-stressed SR in over a decade, indicating that teh crisis is finally over by summer 2020.

Our nation will go through hell both domestically and internationally between now and summer 2016. We will lick our wounds in 2016, begin a domestic mop-up/counteroffensive in 2017 that is completed in 2018, and then we reorganize the governmental structure in 2019.
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WOW you are a great great astrologer! Congratulations!hf I agree 100% with you, we are only in the begining of the crisis...
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Those who wish to be prepared for crisis would be wise to have their affairs in order before November 2014.
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Those who wish to be prepared for crisis would be wise to have their affairs in order before November 2014.
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Do you think that there will be any country better prepared for what will come or all the world will suffer? And in terms of cataclismic events like weather, volcano or mega-quake events, do you have any clue? Thank you very much! hf
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Those who wish to be prepared for crisis would be wise to have their affairs in order before November 2014.
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Do you think that there will be any country better prepared for what will come or all the world will suffer? And in terms of cataclismic events like weather, volcano or mega-quake events, do you have any clue? Thank you very much! hf
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Great Britain will fare better than most first world nations, even though it does become much more authoritarian. Portions of Canada too. But they avoid the worst of the civil unrest and armed conflicts that embroil so much of the world over the next decade. They still have to deal with the contaminated water like everyone else, though.

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