Prove To Me Your Aliens, Demons, Angels, UFOs, or Gods exist...

'To the skeptic - no proof is possible, to the believer - no proof is necessary'

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When I lived on top of a mountain next to what seriously look like giant crop circles (the neighbors fields were all just coincidentally perfectly round) I was spooked to freaking hell by a tall person looking in my window at night that had an almost classic "alien" face, but more detailed and a shit load more frightening when it's looking in your windows. I'm not the only one that saw it. We were all a bit freaked out.

But I'm not an alien-believer in the conventional sense, I'm just slightly more of a believer after that. I'm still fully willing to go with my original hypothesis which was that living on the mountain top out there in isolation made people look and act strange.

What a stupid request, OP.

Let's do a hypothetical:

OMG, guess what! I have evidence!

So, ok, I have it. Now, how do you want me to prove it to you? Would you like a video or a picture? Would you like a story? Would you like affidavits?

What do you require for me to prove my evidence to you?

/hypothetical

Aliens exist. In fact, human DNA was created by them. Because humans can build a technologically advanced society and monkeys cannot is proof of that. Demons are angels that followed a self-destructive path of putting themselves above all else. Angels are perfect souls. UFOs exist because many aliens do travel together (others have more advanced technology and it might be rare for them to need to use a spaceship). God exists because our souls exist of which God is the creator. Do you not believe in ghosts either? Here, I'll help you with that one ( [link to www.youtube.com]

So let's Knock out all three responses in one response:

1) Not all Skeptics are close-minded. I myself only ask why, and when provided with evidence, I analyze it, thoroughly... When I reach my conclusion, there is just as much chance of me learning something new, than me disagreeing with the purported evidence. Isn't that how one discovers something to be true? Or is "Confirmation Bias" the Hipster thing to do?

2) I love your little pictures. Thank you. :D

3) Thank you for your account, I myself have had experiences similar. Though, it also is proven that due to my Migraine issues, I have the tendency to hallucinate in the Visual, and the Audial, so I can not use my own accounts, because of the high chance of being flawed. Not exactly what I was looking for, but it is nice to read others experiences.

4) Your argument holds validity, but anyone who read the context of my Post, should clearly infer: My post was directed at Rock Hard Evidence, such as Documented Reports, Scientific Research and its Conclusions, Audio and Video archived from Government/Investigative Inquiries... I am sorry if you mistook my statement, but please remember, I specifically stated I am not looking for a "He-Said, She-Said" Complex, meaning I do not wish to see personal accounts, I wish to see cold hard proof. Therefore, any problem you have with my post is nullified, considering one who is looking to post a personal account, should not be posting on this thread in the first place...

Thank you all for your input. I look forward to further answers in the GLP Community.

Poster No.5) This is for the most part, what I asked against. Everything you have stated is just a statement, that offers Manipulated logic to explain, nothing you have stated can be backed up in your statement, for you offer me no proof other than personal rumor speculation...

Also, Ghost Adventures is scripted. :D We all know this. Though there are events that DO happen that are not controlled, you can not truly tell what is scripted and what is not, unless you actually work for the Production team. Just like with Paranormal State, and most of Syfy's Ghost shows. Although, not G.H. or G.H.I. That is by far the best evidence I have ever seen for Ghosts.

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This by far is the neatest thing I've seen in a long time, at Minute 9:00, the clip shows a door opening, and then a Christmas tree on an altar, as you look to the left of the tree, as the camera pans, what looks like a Face begins to emerge from behind the tree, now a bunch of skeptics say that it looks to be a cameraman with a Hat on his head, I do not know what to make of it. As far as I know, neither does GHI.

whats your address? I'll send you some ectoplasm from my last encounter.

Doesn't that take all the fun out of it though..???

Sometimes it takes a long time before we get strong enough evidence that cannot be overlooked. I think we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. It is more important to convince aliens that God exists than anyone else. We're going to die so we will get our proof sooner rather than later. It's egotistical to believe that, with all of the planets out there and all of the billions of years life has had thus far that we are the only intelligent beings among all of that life. Demons and the darkworkers exist just as angels and the lightworkers exist. I have encountered both. You would not disbelieve if you could experience my reality.

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But that information has been out for a while, and still people think it is a farce.

Look at the Disclosure Project. All that you are asking for is provided in the Disclosure Project.

Plus, there are dozens and dozens of high ranking leaders and officials that mention the reality of it. There are black box recordings that prove it.

Radar signatures that exist that match black box recordings. Multiple sightings by legit 'pilots'.

Government recognition of sightings. Government research that proves the existence of plasma ufo's as well.

Do you need links?

Links would be nice, it's easier to find stuff here than Google, the Great Censor.

Monsignor Corrado Balducci
Vatican theologian-Interview on Italian television
"We can no longer think... is it true? Is it not true? Are they truths or are they lies--if we believe or if we don't believe--no! There are already numerous considerations which make the existence of these beings [extraterrestrials] into a certainty we cannot doubt."

Former Special Assistant to the Executive Director of the CIA Victor Marchetti: How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon, Second Look, Vol. 1, No. 7, Washington, D.C. (5/1979) -- "We have, indeed, been contacted -- perhaps even visited -- by extraterrestrial beings, and the US government, in collusion with the other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public."

Deputy Chief of the Royal Belgian Air Force Major-General Wilfred de Brouwer: "Postface" in SOBEPS' Vague d'OVNI sur la Belgique - Un Dossier Exceptionnel, Brussels: SOBEPS (1991) -- "In any case, the Air Force has arrived to the conclusion that a certain number of anomalous phenomena has been produced within Belgian airspace. The numerous testimonies of ground observations compiled in this [SOBEPS] book, reinforced by the reports of the night of March 30-31 [1990], have led us to face the hypothesis that a certain number of unauthorized aerial activities have taken place. Until now, not a single trace of aggressiveness has been signaled; military or civilian air traffic has not been perturbed nor threatened. We can therefore advance that the presumed activities do not constitute a direct menace."
"The day will come undoubtedly when the phenomenon will be observed with technological means of detection and collection that won't leave a single doubt about its origin. This should lift a part of the veil that has covered the mystery for a long time. A mystery that continues to the present. But it exists, it is real, and that in itself is an important conclusion."

Japan’s Top Government Spokesperson, Chief Cabinet Secretary Nobutaka Machimura and Japan’s Defense Minister, Shigeru Ishiba :
Beliefs and Concerns about UFOs - Japan’s top government spokesperson: UFO’s definitely exist. Chief Cabinet Secretary Nobutaka Machimura said to reporters on December 18, 2007, “I definitely believe they (UFOs) exist.”
3 days later Japan’s Defence Minister Shigeru Ishiba considers how his Self Defence Forces could respond to an attack by space aliens while adhering to limits on military action under the country’s war-renouncing Constitution. “There are no grounds for us to deny there are unidentified flying objects and some lifeform that controls them”, Ishiba said. “Few discussions have been held on what the legal grounds are” for military response. (Bloomberg) by Stuart Biggs

Sworn Affidavit by a Leutenant Walter Haut concerning his experience of the 1947 UFO crash AT Roswell, NM:
Lt. Walter Haut, public relations officer at Roswell Army Air Field in 1947 left a sworn affidavit concerning his experience with the Roswell UFO crash in 1947. His sworn affidavit was only to be opened after his death. Haut died in December 2005 and sometime in June of 2007 the text contained therein had been released. He describes seeing the UFO and the occupants consisting of alien bodies as well as a high-level meeting with Col. William Blanchard and General Roger Ramey, Commander of the Eighth Army Air Force.

Astronaut Scott Carpenter
"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs." ~ Astronaut Scott Carpenter - Carpenter photographed a UFO while in orbit on May 24, 1962. NASA still has not released the photograph to the public.

Buzz Aldrin on Fox News
“We just about could have said, ‘Look, we see a UFO out the window going along with us.’ You know what would have happened? The public would have gone crazy! We were smart enough to say, ‘Where is the upper stage rocket? We think we might be looking at that out the window.”

Colonel Joseph J. Bryan III
Founding member of the CIA's psychological warfare staff, advisor to NATO
“These UFOs are interplanetary devices systematically observing the Earth, either manned or under remote control, or both.”
“Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still being officially withheld.”

President Jimmy Carter
Interview following his sighting of a UFO at Leary, Georgia - October 1969
"It was the darndest thing I’ve ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors, and it was about the size of the moon. A red and green glowing orb radiated as it hurtled across the southwestern Georgia skies. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing’s for sure: I’ll never make fun of people who say they’ve seen unidentified flying objects in the sky.”

Paul Czysz, PhD
McDonnell-Douglas, Professor of Aeronautical Engineering
Disclosure, pp. 511-519
"When I was at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, we had flying saucers that covered the distance from Columbus to Detroit in the equivalent of about 20,000 miles per hour ... Zero-point energy represents about 40-50 megawatts of power per cubic inch of space. That’s a lot of power. If you could tap it at will, then no one would have to sell gasoline or oil anymore ... Depending on the secrecy level, you have to go through a significant background check. When you do that, if you’re in a very tight compartment, you sign a statement that you will not divulge the existence of the project or even answer a question that could acknowledge the existence of the project. I know people today that worked on one of the things I worked on, and if you asked them about it, they would say, 'No, I have no idea what you’re talking about.' They’re in their seventies now, but they still absolutely would never admit that they even know what you’re talking about. If there were non-earthbound sources of information, the people who were doing the design or analysis work would never have any idea of where it came from."

Colonel Sergio Candiota da Silva
Brazilian Air Force, Assistant to the Minister of Aeronautics
December 19, 1988
"His Excellency recognizes the importance of the [UFO] matter, to the extent that within the Ministry of Aeronautics there exists a Bureau in charge of studying the matter, receiving, analyzing and archiving chronologically the phenomena observed in Brazilian airspace that comes to the attention of this Ministry."

Mikhail Gorbachev
Premier of the Soviet Union, Interview as reported in Soviet Youth May 4, 1990
"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."

Admiral Lord Hill-Norton
Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of Defense, Great Britain,
1973; Chairman, Military Committee of NATO, 1974-77
“I have frequently been asked why a person of my background—a former Chief of the Defense Staff, a former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee—why I think there is a cover-up (of) the facts about UFOs. I believe governments fear that if they did disclose those facts, people would panic. I don’t believe that at all. There is a serious possibility that we are being visited by people from outer space. It behooves us to find out who they are, where they come from, and what they want.”

National Press Conference - 2007
Fife Symington, Former Arizona Governor, Moderator
Ray Bowyer, Captain, Aurigny Air Services, Channel Islands
Rodrigo Bravo, Captain and Pilot for the Aviation Army of Chile
General Wilfried De Brouwer, former Deputy Chief of Staff, Belgian Air Force (Ret.)
John Callahan, Chief of Accidents and Investigations for the FAA, 1980's (Ret.)
Dr. Anthony Choy, founder, 2001, OIFAA, Peruvian Air Force
Jean-Claude Duboc, Captain, Air France (Ret.)
Charles I. Halt, Col. USAF (Ret.), Former Director, Inspections Directorate, DOD I.G.
General Parviz Jafari, Iranian Air Force (Ret.)
Jim Penniston, TSgt USAF (Ret.)
Dr. Claude Poher, Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales, founder, French GEPAN
Nick Pope, Ministry of Defence, UK, 1985-2006
Dr. Jean-Claude Ribes, Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, France, 1963-98
Comandante Oscar Santa Maria Huerta, Commander, Peruvian Air Force (Ret.)

Bill Richardson
Governor New Mexico
Forward to The Roswell Dig Diaries
"The mystery surrounding this crash (at Roswell) has never been adequately explained - not by independent investigators, and not by the U.S. government."

“It would help everyone if the U.S. government disclosed everything it knows. With full disclosure and our best scientific investigation, we should be able to find out what happened on that fateful day in July of 1947. The American people can handle the truth no matter how bizarre or mundane, and contrary to what you see in the movies."

U.S. Congressman and Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich sighting of large triangular craft in Washington state
Date September, 1982 Location Graham, Washington, United States
Summary: Dennis Kucinich saw a large triangular craft over the home actress Shirley Macline in the 1980's. "He looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for ten minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend."
[link to www.ufoevidence.org]

John Lennon UFO sighting
Date August 23, 1974 Location New York City, New York, United States
Summary: John Lennon had a UFO sighting which occurred when he was with his personal secretary, May Pang, in New York. As May Pang recounts in her book, the "large, circular object [was] coming towards us. It was shaped like a flattened cone and on top was a large, brilliant red light... When it came a little closer, we could make out a row or circle of white lights that ran around the entire rim of the craft."
[link to www.ufoevidence.org]

U.S. Senator Richard Russell Sees disc-shaped UFO in USSR
Date October 13, 1955 Location Russian Federation
Summary: U.S. Senator Richard B. Russell, Jr. (D-GA), then chairman of the Armed Services Committee, was on a Soviet train when he spotted a disc-shaped craft taking off near the tracks. He hurriedly called his military aide and interpreter to the window and they saw the UFO, plus another one that appeared a minute later.
[link to www.ufoevidence.org]

NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell, a member of the Apollo 14 mission that landed on the moon in 1971. (Quote from Britain's Kerrang Radio, July, 2008)
'I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real,' Mitchell said. 'It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now,'
Incidently, Mitchell grew up in Roswell, N.M.

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Lets flip it around. What makes you think that there are no aliens and ufo's here on earth?
Just because it's not acknowledged by the main stream media, is that were we get "reality" ?

Former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer.

Somethings just aren't worth the trouble sometimes.

Angels and God exist believe it or not your choice.

I don't believe in demons and don't have an opinion on the aliens and UFOS.

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Swinging, Thank you, Now we're talking. :D This seems like a good place for me to start.

For artman, I never stated that I believed they were not real. All I asked for was proof, cold hard proof, other than personal accounts that could be offered. If I were to tell you what I believe, that would require a whole new Thread entirely. What I believe and what I know, are two different things. I do not believe everything I know, and I am not aware of everything I believe. I ask because I want to learn, I want to learn because recognize that to Question creates a Problem, a Problem requires a Solution, Solution prompts Progress, Progress becomes Fact, and Fact must ultimately be questioned, for as Time progresses, so does Man's Evolution, which calls for Change, which must not be stopped, for no Great Empire can stand forever...

Arguments for the existence of God:

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LOL, wait. You want evidence and you want it to be from the government or from the government's indoctrination centers?

You really don't belong on GLP!

The first thing you should have learned is the LEAST trustworthy thing on the planet, is the government!

And let me guess Sandy T, you are one of those believers who think the gov't is led by a secret order of Higher Ups who are super rich and have links to Reptilian Gods from a Planet about to come into close contact with Earth, and that this gov't is out to get you. YOU specifically because your life is SOOO important, just like every other believer who thinks that the gov't is like this. Let me say this... Not every Gov't is corrupt, and not every person in a Gov't is corrupt, there are good people out there you know? People trying to help. Just because we live in Lovelace's Actuality, does not mean there is no hope.

*And I didn't specifically state I wanted just Gov't Evidence, I submitted it as a possibility, for there was a time in American History when we were proud to be Americans, when we wrought the Greatness in the World, simply because it pleased us, when we helped others, instead of tearing them down, yadah-yadah. Though that time is long gone, just like any good Davinci piece, the evidence of that time remains.

this^ i bet he gets all his news from cnn or fox too

If angels are perfect souls, how can they (or why would they) follow a self-destructive path of putting themselves above all else?

Just curious.

Wow, look at you, you pegged me. I totally believe in reptillians, oh yeah.

You are very naive and you have a long way to go before you really understand what's going on around you.

Let me put it to you this way. I KNOW that a lot more governments are corrupt than you think are, because I've escaped from what amounted to a baby farm in the USA, and ran to the police... who took me straight back to them.

I've seen the corruption directly. It's a horrible, miserable experience. I guess if having horrible experiences in which you are awakened to the reality around you in cruel ways makes you 'special' then sure, I'm special. Lucky me...

The government isn't out to get me. But since when does a government have to be after me specifically and individually in order to be utterly corrupt?

The US gov has been very corrupt for a very long time. For longer than I've been alive.

But you'd have to actually do a little research in order to see that, and you don't want to do any research that isn't suckled from the teet of the gov.

And of course, the corrupt gov isn't going to just hand you evidence of their corruption. That isn't how it works, hate to break it to you.

Last Edited by Sandi_T on 07/16/2012 05:05 PM