Mary, the Mother of the Son of God: Why do some Christian Sects discount the Blessed Mother? | |
Que User ID: 51504 United States 12/21/2005 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mary is not "the mother of God" she was the mother of the "son of man"-Jesus' the part of Jesus that is human. Mary is not divine (Romans 3:23 says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God) Mary included. Mary and Joesph had sex,Luke says that after Gabriel visited Joeseph that he took her in to be his wife and knew her not UNTILL Jesus was born (implying that they had sex) Jesus had brothers with Mary as the mother of them. The Apostle James was his "half" brother. I Timothy 2:5 says that there is one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus. Mary as chosen as she was she not be prayed to,worshiped,venerated in any way shape or form. Honored above women? Yes. Worshiped and deified (made like God) NO. "Lord Jesus...let the light of Your face & LOVE shine down on our hearts and let us** FEEL** it...." [email protected] |
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Grant (OP) User ID: 18760 United States 12/21/2005 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you one to proclaim what He wants? You are man interpreting your environment as one of His creations. He states that Mary will crush the head of satan in Revelations and nowhere in the Bible does it say not pray to Mary. Did she not send down a warning thru the 3rd secret of Fatima of the end times, which has been held back by the Church? You will all the help you can get, do not try and diminish an integral part of the transformation. By the way I did say the Son of God, which is one and the same as the Almighty. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21 United States 12/21/2005 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Que is another one of the legion of catholic-haters. It is best not to listen to them. They continually lie and say catholics worship Mary, which we don't. They treat Mary as though she were a UPS box which held Jesus, and once Jesus was born, it's OK to throw the carton away. |
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Grant (OP) User ID: 18760 United States 12/21/2005 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your latest religious rants are pathetic. Really then why are you here! Do you think the public is that mindless that they can not access a situation by themselves? Of course not they can, that is why you are here to splinter and stop a unification of mankind. What is patetic is your outdated CIA techniques of mind control. Get a life before a natural disaster takes it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24328 United Kingdom 12/21/2005 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think the public is that mindless that they can not access a situation by themselves? Of course not they can, that is why you are here to splinter and stop a unification of mankind. What is patetic is your outdated CIA techniques of mind control. Get a life before a natural disaster takes it." I'm here because I feel like it. I see you still haven't learned to quote people clearly either. Your predictions of disaster are as empty and dumb now as they were when you made them years ago. The public is obviously not mindless enough to believe your garbage Grant, and your desperation is clearly evident from your frequent claim to be speaking for god. The fact that you assume anyone who disagrees with you to be working for the CIA is only evidence of your paranoia. Remember, the 'debunkers' have always been 100% correct when it comes to Planet X and all of Grant's claims. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37525 Canada 12/21/2005 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Military chaplains told to shy from Jesus By Julia Duin THE WASHINGTON TIMES December 21, 2005 To pray -- or not to pray -- in Jesus' name is the question plaguing an increasing number of U.S. military chaplains, one of whom began a multiday hunger strike outside the White House yesterday. "I am a Navy chaplain being fired because I pray in Jesus' name," said Navy Lt. Gordon Klingenschmitt, who will be holding 6 p.m. prayer vigils daily in Lafayette Park. The hunger strike is intended to persuade President Bush to issue an executive order allowing military chaplains to pray according to their individual faith traditions. The American Center for Law and Justice has gathered 173,000 signatures on a petition seeking an executive order. Seventy-three members of Congress have joined the request, saying in an Oct. 25 letter to the president, "In all branches of the military, it is becoming increasingly difficult for Christian chaplains to use the name of Jesus when praying." About 80 percent of U.S. troops are Christian, the legislators wrote, adding that military "censorship" of chaplains' prayers disenfranchises "hundreds of thousands of Christian soldiers in the military who look to their chaplains for comfort, inspiration and support." Official military policy allows any sort of prayer, but Lt. Klingenschmitt says that in reality, evangelical Protestant prayers are censored. He cites his training at the Navy Chaplains School in Newport, R.I., where "they have clipboards and evaluators who evaluate your prayers, and they praise you if you pray just to God," he said. "But if you pray in Jesus' name, they counsel you." Muslim, Jewish and Roman Catholic chaplains are likewise told not to pray in the name of Allah, in Hebrew or in the name of the Trinity, he added. But the Rev. Billy Baugham, executive director of the Greenville, S.C.-based International Conference of Evangelical Chaplain Endorsers, says restrictions on other religious expressions have "yet to be tested." "No Islamic chaplain has been refused to pray in the name of Allah, as far as we know. Neither has a rabbi been rebuked for making references to Hanukkah, and no Catholic priest has been rebuked for referring to the Blessed Virgin Mary." The Navy allows chaplains to pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Allah or any other deity during chapel services, spokeswoman Lt. Erin Bailey said. At other public events, "Navy chaplains are encouraged to be sensitive to the needs of all those present," she said, "and may decline an invitation to pray if not able to do so for conscience reasons." Lt. Klingenschmitt has not been formally punished, she added, and there |
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Thomas Dolby 5.5 User ID: 37525 Canada 12/21/2005 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "So put your hands down my pants and I'll bet you'll feel nuts Yes I'm Siskel, yes I'm Ebert and you're getting two thumbs up" "So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Kay User ID: 1179 United States 12/21/2005 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | However, we do not elevate her above any other human being. Non-catholics do not pray for Mary, do not expect her to have any ability to hear prayers, nor do we depend upon her to help Jesus to be our Advocate before the Father. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55712 Australia 12/21/2005 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ============= OP Are you one to proclaim what He wants? You are man interpreting your environment as one of His creations. He states that Mary will crush the head of satan in Revelations and nowhere in the Bible does it say not pray to Mary. ============= Grant, where is this stated? That Mary will do this. It doesn't. And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Rev. 20:1-3 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev. 20:7-10 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55736 Canada 12/21/2005 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Remember, the 'debunkers' have always been 100% correct when it comes to Planet X and all of Grant's claims." Uhh, actually they have been wrong on about everything except the date related info. Remember, it was the debunkers who were saying "everything was normal" with the weather in 2003 and then only changed this year. And now we have more earthquakes and way more volcanos popping off and they still deny this. So, they've been more wrong then right on just about everything. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55028 United States 12/21/2005 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | {Uhh, actually they have been wrong on about everything except the date related info.} Not from where I sit. Regular science predicted increased weather effects from global warming in the eighties, hence this year in hurricanes. It's been shown numerous times that EQs and volcanoes and falling meteors remain about par this year. The Sun has supposed to have increased in tempearture by some absurd amount, and yet we're having winter. Grant and Nancy both continue to claim Earth is halted in its orbit, yet Winter Constellations are right on cue. You woo^2's have very selective memories. Which is how Grant and Lieder play you so well, and you come back begging for more, over and over, again and again. Pathetic. We'll be seeing you in 2007 and beyond, I expect, still hanging on Grant and Nancy, still waiting for a disaster that stubbornly refuses to materialize (PX). |
Fallen User ID: 106 United States 12/21/2005 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's probably because of what jesus said to mary when he was on the cross i think the whole point was to place your salvation in the sacrifice and not in the vessel that brought the sacrifice into this world Just one puzzle piece, of the jigsaw whole. |
SUPER STRUCTURE User ID: 55746 United Kingdom 12/21/2005 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with Que and Grant. Mary was a good women who was chosen by God to bear his Son into the World. She never asked to be worshipped by man. She should be recognized for her plan in God's great plan. Who knows what the truth is??? |
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. User ID: 55754 China 12/21/2005 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the demon queen of heaven worshipped as mary by the rcc, is a counterfeit of Mary of the scriptures. Neither is she co-redemtrix(that is able to intercede for those who pray to her), immaculately concieved(born sinless), an eternal virgin(she had other children) and she was not translated to heaven alive, these are all lies that go against scripture. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5392 Canada 12/21/2005 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keeping the Word 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5392 Canada 12/21/2005 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NIV says 27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you." 28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380 United States 12/21/2005 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "We'll be seeing you in 2007 and beyond, I expect, still hanging on Grant and Nancy, still waiting for a disaster that stubbornly refuses to materialize (PX)." So Grant and Nancy are sort of similar? I am not familiar with Grant, but it sure didn't take long to figure out that he is a hypocritical lunatic. I guess he is like Nancy, then, huh? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380 United States 12/21/2005 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "I agree with Que and Grant. "Well, see, that's how the scam works.Anyone who is reasonable can easily see that Mary was a wonderful woman.But, the next stage, where she becomes the Queen of Heaven is evil, and indisputably so.Therein lies the problem. |