Once the tribulation begins can the world still turn to Jehovah for survival, or will his invitation have expired then, like in Noah's time?

Ten virgins, five foolish, they let their oil deplete, and when the bridegroom came, they were trying to refill their oil lamp. No time left. The door was shut, and the five virgins were knocking on the door asking to be let in. so if the Saviour will not let the five foolish virgins in, why would He let anyone else in.

The world must turn the FATHER WITHIN them. Jehovah is a planet, and the people on that planet gave Moses the commandments and so on and so forth, not "god". God is NOT a person as you expound with your Jehovah. Creator is the creating Consciousness of the entire universe and you are part of that. Keep calling this creative consciousness "jehovah" and you will spend some more time learning yet what "god" is.

Jesus said god/Father is within you. You must turn to the divine or you will not be taking the ascending journey to Paradise, period. And do not take that to mean "hellfire" for those not yet successful in feeling the god within.

God is not up there, and his NAME IS FATHER OR FIRST SOURCE and NOT Jehova. God is not a single planet.

Don't tell me...NIP is this you?
Jehovah does not dwell in human hearts ("The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my foot stool”), but man is made in God's image, having a conscience. That is not enough though because;
"The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it? 10 I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings." Jer17:9

Yes, some can be saved. Why else would the 144,000 be witness to GOD'S word? They will be beheaded for their belief, but they too shall have life eternal! Why would the LORD tell you not to take the mark of the beast, because that would be certain loss.

Only a small number of the 144,000 still remain on earth, most have already died and gone;, except they never actually died but were transformed into spirit creatures;
"However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed,  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.  But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.” “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 1Cor15:50

Total bullcrap..I can;t beleive you believe this HS.

the story of Noah was taken from a story told by the Sumerians 3000 before Christ. that tired old flood story has been told and retold by every religion on earth.

religion, what a waste of time.

Not one knows why ...

Fa shampoo commercials ?

Sure the elders in your congregation, are not aware that you are posting and reading from these kind of sites. A disfellowshipping or marking offence at the very least. Having spent 30 years in that place, I only hope you come to your senses before all of your life has passed lining the coffers of the WT. I now know that the WHOLE world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
You have been totally deceived.
The bible is very clear at Deuteronomy 18v 20- 22 20
“However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him."
How many times have they done it...So many

Just offering a heads up to whom ever it may concern. The answer is no, the tribulation will reveal the judgment already rendered before it begins, just as;
" until the day that Noah entered into the ark;  and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away" Mt24:37

there will be the "elect" remaining on earth to continue to try and convert souls.

god is within all beings, but he is also a being....that could be seen as 'outside' even if its really not.

its NOT JUST a creative source. the same feeling in the bible is the God, the bible is true on all levels (all perspectives). the problem starts when people get into an emotional bondage to an outside God only....the game of expectations, judgment, morality, sacrificing being for an ideal. thats the problem.

God is both an outside and inside entity. its complicated.

Then you are in the wrong thread.

Atheism is a NWO lie. Noah's sons founded the entire region of Sumer i.e. Land of Kish. The Biblical account is the true original and oldest recording of the fact there was a global flood.

All religion but one - Jesus.

What "tribulation", exactly?

Many mistake Jesus words "the kingdom of God is within you", as being literal. remember he was talking to the pharisees, who he condemmed. He actually said;
"But on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them and said: “The kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness, 21 neither will people be saying, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For, look! the kingdom of God is in YOUR midst”, referring to himself as it's administrator. Lk17;20

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The end of Satan's reign of terror is the Great Tribulation and the divine war of Armageddon, after which satan is locked in the abyss for Jesus 1,000 years of healing the earth and resurrecting the dead to a second chance.
"3 While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”
4 And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads YOU; 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
15 “Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Ju·de′a begin fleeing to the mountains. 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house; 18 and let the man in the field not return to the house to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that YOUR flight may not occur in wintertime, nor on the sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short." Mt24;3

they'll probably evolve anti-tribulation shields. Right Mr Darwin???

DGN,

If you were Born-Again per Ezekiel 36, you would KNOW:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


You though are in-alienation, your ignorance shines here like a floodlight.

"The world" has never sought God, or Been Called By HIM.

If you read Revelation 14:7 you'll see that God's Angel Witnesses HIS Reality and Christ Jesus' Imminent Return therein. Once all mankind KNOWS God IS Real The Age Of Faith will have already ended and The Way Unto The Father (through Faith) closed.

Christians who Know WHO Christ IS but have not answered God's Call Upon their heart will be on their own; just as they are now. Born-Agains will continue to Abide With The Father as they do now; yet, The Holy Spirit may Guide others to them for witness and safekeeping, but the fear these will know will fill them with despair and anxiety.

If you Love God, now is the time to Tell HIM So and make your surrender and give HIM your life...

Maranatha!!!

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My question wasn't about Jehovah's requirements for being accepted as Jesus' disciple (not that you addressed that), but whether the world will be accepted when they see judgment day is upon them, in real time?
"Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, YOU need nothing to be written to YOU.  For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night.  Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.  But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves,  for YOU are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness." 1Thes5:1

Good effort!

Couple of problems..

1. Mt 24 Jesus was asked two questions and gave two answers. The tribulation referenced here began after the AoD. This occurred in 70 AD when Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem. These Christians (Nazarenes) did remember this warning and did flee and lived. He says not one stone will be left standing of the temple. This happened in 70 AD.

Jesus then tells about his second coming.

2. Second chance after death? Once we die our fate is sealed. No second chances. They are raised in the resurrection of the dammed after the 1000 years as you say, but this is only for the GWTJ before the lake of fire destroys them all. (Rev 21)

The people can call on Jesus and be saved all the way until his Coming. There is no shut door close of probation. The one passage says "in that day they were eating drinking marrying and giving in marriage."

I know some like to compare this to Noah's flood, but perhaps Sodom's destruction would be better.

The resurrection is for all the dead, none are damned because they all paid the penalty for sin.
"For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin." Ro6:7
The confusion comes from what they will do during the 1,000 years;
"Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment." Jo5:28
This is why they are given a second chance to get it right.
That's why there are 2 scrolls in Rv20:13, one is the record of forgiven sins at death, the "scroll of life" will record their worthiness for eternal life after Satan is released at the end of the 1,000 years. Ironically, the vast majority will turn bad again and be destroyed in the lake of fire. The good will "come to life", meaning eternally finally being pronounced 'saved'.
"Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and devoured them. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Rv20:7

Last Edited by DGN on 08/04/2012 08:31 PM

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