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U.S Defence Secretary Leon Panetta says China-Japan "heading towards war."

 
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About the islands...


Going to keep it short and simple. This is years in the making.

Basically after WWII Japan and the US signed the treaty of San Francisco in 1951 along with 48 other nations, but at the time china was in a civil war and we did not want to take sides so no representative from china was invited. So in 1952 the treaty of Taipei was signed by Japan and China, formalizing the treaty of San Francisco.


This gave up japans rights to Taiwan “Formosa” and the 64 Paracel islands. This was a big deal to China because when Chiang Kai-shek retreaded out of china with his army he made his capital on Taiwan. Taiwan is the “Republic of China”. Not to be confused with China itself “The people’s republic of China”.

China could have cared less about these three little islands at the time. They just wanted to legally crush the remainder of the exiled government of china who created Taiwan.

But in 1968 China discovered that there were huge oil deposits under these three tiny islands. China claims they discovered the oil and owned the island sense the 14th century and japan annexed the islands in 1895 and lost control of them when they surrendered after WWII. America claimed legal rights to the islands and signed them over to japan in 1972 and at the same time japan dissolved the treaty of Taipei!

China was hoping to just get the islands handed over to them.

Now it gets sticky, China agrees the islands are part of Taiwan, and Taiwan agrees with that also. But Japan has no treaty with Taiwan and does not recognize it as a sovereign nation so legally the islands are part of Okinawa prefecture. Now the family that sold the islands to the Japanese government on September 11 2012 has legally owned them sense the beginning the 20th century when they first built a factory on the little islands.

But china considers it a violation of their territorial sovereignty now that they claim Taiwan as their own.
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One more thing, we have to remember all wars are fought over three things, land, and food or over population. This dispute is all three of them in one, remember oil equals food epically in a nation where peopel starve to death. It plows fields and moves goods, it is blood.


They will fight hard for it if this deposit is big and they believe it is a big one.

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This is like small kids fighting over candy. The US should just grab the island and get it over.
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yes.. more imperialism... now we're talking.. lol
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is that an early tony curtis and jesus on your pic
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About the islands...


Going to keep it short and simple. This is years in the making.

Basically after WWII Japan and the US signed the treaty of San Francisco in 1951 along with 48 other nations, but at the time china was in a civil war and we did not want to take sides so no representative from china was invited. So in 1952 the treaty of Taipei was signed by Japan and China, formalizing the treaty of San Francisco.


This gave up japans rights to Taiwan “Formosa” and the 64 Paracel islands. This was a big deal to China because when Chiang Kai-shek retreaded out of china with his army he made his capital on Taiwan. Taiwan is the “Republic of China”. Not to be confused with China itself “The people’s republic of China”.

China could have cared less about these three little islands at the time. They just wanted to legally crush the remainder of the exiled government of china who created Taiwan.

But in 1968 China discovered that there were huge oil deposits under these three tiny islands. China claims they discovered the oil and owned the island sense the 14th century and japan annexed the islands in 1895 and lost control of them when they surrendered after WWII. America claimed legal rights to the islands and signed them over to japan in 1972 and at the same time japan dissolved the treaty of Taipei!

China was hoping to just get the islands handed over to them.

Now it gets sticky, China agrees the islands are part of Taiwan, and Taiwan agrees with that also. But Japan has no treaty with Taiwan and does not recognize it as a sovereign nation so legally the islands are part of Okinawa prefecture. Now the family that sold the islands to the Japanese government on September 11 2012 has legally owned them sense the beginning the 20th century when they first built a factory on the little islands.

But china considers it a violation of their territorial sovereignty now that they claim Taiwan as their own.
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Yes, the oil, it's always about the oil...especially if the middle east erupts.
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China vs Japan... two of the biggest trading powerhouses on earth.

Not even Ben Bernanke and JP Morgan Chase can save the global economy from this one!
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they don't plan on saving it
they plan on blaming the collapse on something else so they don't take the blame
after they've robbed everyone blind

and this is all part of a larger script
this is pure ptb methodology
what are you watching?
riots in the middle east?
unhappy muslims?
worrying the middle east will fester into ww3?

and when people focus on one thing what happens?
something unexpected
like ww3 started by china/japan?
yet, they still get the end result they were looking for
just like with the economy and blaming war conditions
instead of the bankers
they can blame ww3 on someone else, too

distraction
then deflection
what's the left hand doing?
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About the islands...


Going to keep it short and simple. This is years in the making.

Basically after WWII Japan and the US signed the treaty of San Francisco in 1951 along with 48 other nations, but at the time china was in a civil war and we did not want to take sides so no representative from china was invited. So in 1952 the treaty of Taipei was signed by Japan and China, formalizing the treaty of San Francisco.


This gave up japans rights to Taiwan “Formosa” and the 64 Paracel islands. This was a big deal to China because when Chiang Kai-shek retreaded out of china with his army he made his capital on Taiwan. Taiwan is the “Republic of China”. Not to be confused with China itself “The people’s republic of China”.

China could have cared less about these three little islands at the time. They just wanted to legally crush the remainder of the exiled government of china who created Taiwan.

But in 1968 China discovered that there were huge oil deposits under these three tiny islands. China claims they discovered the oil and owned the island sense the 14th century and japan annexed the islands in 1895 and lost control of them when they surrendered after WWII. America claimed legal rights to the islands and signed them over to japan in 1972 and at the same time japan dissolved the treaty of Taipei!

China was hoping to just get the islands handed over to them.

Now it gets sticky, China agrees the islands are part of Taiwan, and Taiwan agrees with that also. But Japan has no treaty with Taiwan and does not recognize it as a sovereign nation so legally the islands are part of Okinawa prefecture. Now the family that sold the islands to the Japanese government on September 11 2012 has legally owned them sense the beginning the 20th century when they first built a factory on the little islands.

But china considers it a violation of their territorial sovereignty now that they claim Taiwan as their own.
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Japan Air Self-Defense Force
this is just there airforce . not even talking navy yet .
small but well maintained
The F-2 is a rebadged F-16C


[link to en.wikipedia.org]


they have Aegis guided missile cruiser's
helicopter carriers , they have about another 250 naval aircraft

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and then there ground forces .
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

they have another 350 A/C
950 Tanks , and everything else you can think of .so by themselves they could still put a hurting for awhile .
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Naval expert here: they have no cruisers only destroyers
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japan fleet
[link to youtu.be]

Japan will be ready after the Chinese awaken the dragon.
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Naval expert here: Great video/awesome urgency music lol. Japan should raise the Yamato, more it on the islands and fire off a couple of 18 inch salvos and the Chinese will piss their pants
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Japan Invades China
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what benefit would china get from going to war with japan?
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its war withe u.s. by proxi
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Japan wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against China.
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Apparently you don't know your history. China has been historically dominated by Japan. The Japanese are to the Asian race what the Germans and English are to the White race. The Chinese are like the French, they give up at the first sign of trouble. Japan's technology is just as advanced as China's. However, the Japanese people don't just give up and will fight to the last man.
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Japan wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against China.
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Apparently you don't know your history. China has been historically dominated by Japan. The Japanese are to the Asian race what the Germans and English are to the White race. The Chinese are like the French, they give up at the first sign of trouble. Japan's technology is just as advanced as China's. However, the Japanese people don't just give up and will fight to the last man.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18759426


Only since the 1900's. Historically Asia has been dominated by China, militarily as well as culturally. 40% of the Japanese language are written using Chinese characters, Zen Buddhism was founded in China and then exported to Japan and Chinese classics like the Three Kingdoms are as big in Japan as they are in China.

In the 1500's during the Imjin war, a war lasting 7 years, the Ming Dynasty of China drove out the Tokugawa Shogunate at the cost of widespread destruction in Korea. Total casualty rate was estimated at well over a million.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Japan wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against China.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23886147


Apparently you don't know your history. China has been historically dominated by Japan. The Japanese are to the Asian race what the Germans and English are to the White race. The Chinese are like the French, they give up at the first sign of trouble. Japan's technology is just as advanced as China's. However, the Japanese people don't just give up and will fight to the last man.
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Only since the 1900's. Historically Asia has been dominated by China, militarily as well as culturally. 40% of the Japanese language are written using Chinese characters, Zen Buddhism was founded in China and then exported to Japan and Chinese classics like the Three Kingdoms are as big in Japan as they are in China.

In the 1500's during the Imjin war, a war lasting 7 years, the Ming Dynasty of China drove out the Tokugawa Shogunate at the cost of widespread destruction in Korea. Total casualty rate was estimated at well over a million.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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LOL!!! Learn your history, man. Japan has always overrun China.
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Japan wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against China.
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Apparently you don't know your history. China has been historically dominated by Japan. The Japanese are to the Asian race what the Germans and English are to the White race. The Chinese are like the French, they give up at the first sign of trouble. Japan's technology is just as advanced as China's. However, the Japanese people don't just give up and will fight to the last man.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18759426


Only since the 1900's. Historically Asia has been dominated by China, militarily as well as culturally. 40% of the Japanese language are written using Chinese characters, Zen Buddhism was founded in China and then exported to Japan and Chinese classics like the Three Kingdoms are as big in Japan as they are in China.

In the 1500's during the Imjin war, a war lasting 7 years, the Ming Dynasty of China drove out the Tokugawa Shogunate at the cost of widespread destruction in Korea. Total casualty rate was estimated at well over a million.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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LOL!!! Learn your history, man. Japan has always overrun China.
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You obviously have no idea about Asian history. I am a student of East Asian studies so I actually know what I am talking about.
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I know the solution to this. Have a Karate VS Kung Fu masters championship banana2

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Apparently you don't know your history. China has been historically dominated by Japan. The Japanese are to the Asian race what the Germans and English are to the White race. The Chinese are like the French, they give up at the first sign of trouble. Japan's technology is just as advanced as China's. However, the Japanese people don't just give up and will fight to the last man.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18759426


Only since the 1900's. Historically Asia has been dominated by China, militarily as well as culturally. 40% of the Japanese language are written using Chinese characters, Zen Buddhism was founded in China and then exported to Japan and Chinese classics like the Three Kingdoms are as big in Japan as they are in China.

In the 1500's during the Imjin war, a war lasting 7 years, the Ming Dynasty of China drove out the Tokugawa Shogunate at the cost of widespread destruction in Korea. Total casualty rate was estimated at well over a million.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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LOL!!! Learn your history, man. Japan has always overrun China.
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You obviously have no idea about Asian history. I am a student of East Asian studies so I actually know what I am talking about.
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Sure you are and I'm the Pope. I'll trust my college degrees and not your alternative view of history. Sorry.
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Who gives a fuck anymore this game is fucking boring and im sick of playing it let all the house of cards come crashing down the faster it happens the better.
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I agree. Would love to see:

1. nuclear war
2. financial collapse
3. global civil unrest
4. wall street burned to the ground
5. DC burned to the ground
6. all bankers, puppets, and royals hung in the trees
7. aliens
8. mega tsunamis
9. super volcanoes
10. fukushima reactor 4 blow up
11. mass extinctions
12. asteroids & comets impact earth
13. jupiter ignition
14. peak oil
15. new madrid quake
16. california mega quake
17. earth crust displacement
18. nibiru
19. nano viruses
20. stuxnet go live
21. AND ISRAEL NUKED INTO A GLASS PARKING LOT

Indeed this game fucking sucks. No doom ever happens. It's all for control and fear. Major upgrades are needed in the next version.
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Yeah this time without God Mode.
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Why is China so pissed off about these islands? I know they are near China ... but it seems like more than that ...
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Taiwan is where all the people from the Republic of China fled, following the Chinese civil war in 1949. They are all the people who would take over in a coup of Communist China.

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As I was saying...tptb are going to try and nuke America. This is all a giant false flag to send the ICBMs our way. We have to get WAY AHEAD OF THIS if we're going to stop it! Work as hard and as fast as you can to figure out the next step, to get the truth of the false flags to everyone you can.

Convince your friends, family, neighbors. I told mine about a month ago that tptb were going to nuke America, and make it look like another country did it, so they're taking it a little more seriously than just another bunch of daily normal news.

This is why a foreign-born, US-hating president is in the White House, so he would be ready to stand down while our faces melt off. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN!

There are brilliant minds here. And there are SO MANY MORE OF US than there are of them. We may be ants and they may be grasshoppers, but they'll never stand against our numbers and our resolve to not be pushed around and not be bagged, gagged, and tagged!

Finally, please pray. God hears our prayers, and we really need to make our needs known now. Pray for peace, pray for the healing of the illuminutties' minds. Keep your life as clean as possible. Make your relationships right, with God and with each other. And don't forget to breathe - in and out. All of this will come out right in the end, one way or another!
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As I was saying...tptb are going to try and nuke America. This is all a giant false flag to send the ICBMs our way. We have to get WAY AHEAD OF THIS if we're going to stop it! Work as hard and as fast as you can to figure out the next step, to get the truth of the false flags to everyone you can.

Convince your friends, family, neighbors. I told mine about a month ago that tptb were going to nuke America, and make it look like another country did it, so they're taking it a little more seriously than just another bunch of daily normal news.

This is why a foreign-born, US-hating president is in the White House, so he would be ready to stand down while our faces melt off. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN!

There are brilliant minds here. And there are SO MANY MORE OF US than there are of them. We may be ants and they may be grasshoppers, but they'll never stand against our numbers and our resolve to not be pushed around and not be bagged, gagged, and tagged!

Finally, please pray. God hears our prayers, and we really need to make our needs known now. Pray for peace, pray for the healing of the illuminutties' minds. Keep your life as clean as possible. Make your relationships right, with God and with each other. And don't forget to breathe - in and out. All of this will come out right in the end, one way or another!
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Can you imagine your next door neighbor walking over to you and say "hey bob did you know that tptb is going to nuke america" lol
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Can you imagine your next door neighbor walking over to you and say "hey bob did you know that tptb is going to nuke america" lol
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Yeah that would be like my psycho fuck neighbor who went to Eastern Michigan University but roots for University of Michigan football and is so pumped on steroids he has scared the whole neighborhood off

Talk to this asshole he wont shut the fuck up for 3 hours even when you try to walk away from him
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If anyone is interested I can tell you who is really behind stoking the Chinese fire, anyone interested in hearing the truth?
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Read somewhere on here not too long ago about China's predickyment..... They have too many young men thanks to the one child policy and the killing off of female fetuses..... What do you with millions of young dumb men with no hope of finding a woman? Very serious problem, they could turn on the government, they could start a revolution,,,, the solution? Yeah, war.
Just a thing to consider.
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China vs Japan... two of the biggest trading powerhouses on earth.

Not even Ben Bernanke and JP Morgan Chase can save the global economy from this one!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23813214


two of the biggest copy cat nations on this planet

the best copy cat nation is Japan, they are nearly producing authentic European products but its not the same quality as European products are authentic quality


now the Chinese, just copies what it wants, which is almost everything from the entire Western world. no shame like the Chinese.
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Here in Australia, we depend very heavily on those two nations economically. Japan buys most of our coal and China buys most of our iron ore.

If those two nations go at each other's throats, we're put in a very difficult position (and not just economically).

As for the U.S, it faces the prospect of either having to abandon its defence/security pact with Japan or voluntarily start WW3 by default of joining Japan against China.

Interesting times huh?
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THERE WILL BE NO JAPAN-CHINA WAR...

The Security Treaty Between the United States and Japan - 8 September 1951, and the more updated Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan, January 19, 1960, are still in full force and effect.
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Only since the 1900's. Historically Asia has been dominated by China, militarily as well as culturally. 40% of the Japanese language are written using Chinese characters, Zen Buddhism was founded in China and then exported to Japan and Chinese classics like the Three Kingdoms are as big in Japan as they are in China.

In the 1500's during the Imjin war, a war lasting 7 years, the Ming Dynasty of China drove out the Tokugawa Shogunate at the cost of widespread destruction in Korea. Total casualty rate was estimated at well over a million.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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LOL!!! Learn your history, man. Japan has always overrun China.
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You obviously have no idea about Asian history. I am a student of East Asian studies so I actually know what I am talking about.
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Sure you are and I'm the Pope. I'll trust my college degrees and not your alternative view of history. Sorry.
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I don't know where you get this idea since Japan has spent most of their time cowering on their island and their culture has always been heavily influenced by China. As the earlier poster said Japan got its arse kicked by China-Korea in the 16th century and only in the very late 19th century and early 20th century did Japan gain the upperhand against China.
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there are so many potential fireworks around the earth its almost as if they are queueing up to fulfill 2012 prophecy.China has been flexing its muscles lately with Japan over the SENkaku islands, the Spratley islands,sending its vessels to the med etc.Personaly i cant see this one getting past the argument over the fence stage with some concilliation treaty but having said that Japan look belligerent and i wonder how far they arte willing to go in a tight poker game and for that amtter how far china are prepared to up the anti in a very very serious situation we arent talking about syria turkey friction here this is big team players and the consequenses would have to be global
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I would imagine that the higher ups in Japan and China are in the same group - illuminutties - that the higher ups here in the US are (and in Europe, etc.). Their little game, I just realized, is all planned out. They're not thinking, "Well, we set up that fake Muslim movie and hired all those guys to fake riots. Now our boys in China and Japan are doing their part (or maybe just China, and they consider Japan is expendable, as it's totally polluted by radioactivity)...wonder what we should do next?"

No, there is a "To do" list, and I have a feeling these dominoes are going to fall pretty quickly, if we don't figure out where and what they are and try to stop them.
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China vs Japan... two of the biggest trading powerhouses on earth.

Not even Ben Bernanke and JP Morgan Chase can save the global economy from this one!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23813214


two of the biggest copy cat nations on this planet

the best copy cat nation is Japan, they are nearly producing authentic European products but its not the same quality as European products are authentic quality


now the Chinese, just copies what it wants, which is almost everything from the entire Western world. no shame like the Chinese.
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Here in Australia, we depend very heavily on those two nations economically. Japan buys most of our coal and China buys most of our iron ore.

If those two nations go at each other's throats, we're put in a very difficult position (and not just economically).

As for the U.S, it faces the prospect of either having to abandon its defence/security pact with Japan or voluntarily start WW3 by default of joining Japan against China.

Interesting times huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23813214


THERE WILL BE NO JAPAN-CHINA WAR...

The Security Treaty Between the United States and Japan - 8 September 1951, and the more updated Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan, January 19, 1960, are still in full force and effect.
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


so your also saying there isn't going to be a war between China and the United States?

will we possibly have an "alliance", or more likely a non aggression pact, and maybe in exchange, gifting Taiwan back to China, either formally or indirectly by not assisting them come Chinese invasion... ?

because if the Chinese and the United States go to war, i'm assuming that would mean Japan would be on our side, fending off China, no?

or are you saying there isn't any 'real' war coming between the major national powers on the globe.. which really isn't a wonderful phrased question, being that much of the worlds powers do not consider themselves bound to one nation, instead they believe themselves to be 'better than other people', and hence have adopted the internationalist mindset, the same that has provided the basis for the non governmental organization movement, and the one world government movement we see presented on main stream media, as i recall last year seeing 'new world order' plastered on the bottom of cnn and cnbc.. ? lol
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If anyone is interested I can tell you who is really behind stoking the Chinese fire, anyone interested in hearing the truth?
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Ok. I'll bite. What do you have?
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LOL!!! Learn your history, man. Japan has always overrun China.
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You obviously have no idea about Asian history. I am a student of East Asian studies so I actually know what I am talking about.
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Sure you are and I'm the Pope. I'll trust my college degrees and not your alternative view of history. Sorry.
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I don't know where you get this idea since Japan has spent most of their time cowering on their island and their culture has always been heavily influenced by China. As the earlier poster said Japan got its arse kicked by China-Korea in the 16th century and only in the very late 19th century and early 20th century did Japan gain the upperhand against China.
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I got the idea from the history classes I took while I was in college. I'm not sure what history you're studying but I'll trust my college degrees before I trust some idiot on a conspiracy board.
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You obviously have no idea about Asian history. I am a student of East Asian studies so I actually know what I am talking about.
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Sure you are and I'm the Pope. I'll trust my college degrees and not your alternative view of history. Sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18759426


I don't know where you get this idea since Japan has spent most of their time cowering on their island and their culture has always been heavily influenced by China. As the earlier poster said Japan got its arse kicked by China-Korea in the 16th century and only in the very late 19th century and early 20th century did Japan gain the upperhand against China.
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I got the idea from the history classes I took while I was in college. I'm not sure what history you're studying but I'll trust my college degrees before I trust some idiot on a conspiracy board.
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well the Chinese can't be too stupid, they've been around for 5,000 years.

and do you believe that history is shaped by random events out of peoples control entirely, or do you believe that human beings get together and try to maximize their own self interest through subterfuge which may or may not be in violation of the laws of the land that they dwell?
Which happens to be a decent definition of conspiracy? I'm just curious.

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LOL!!! Learn your history, man. Japan has always overrun China.
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You obviously have no idea about Asian history. I am a student of East Asian studies so I actually know what I am talking about.
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Sure you are and I'm the Pope. I'll trust my college degrees and not your alternative view of history. Sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18759426


I don't know where you get this idea since Japan has spent most of their time cowering on their island and their culture has always been heavily influenced by China. As the earlier poster said Japan got its arse kicked by China-Korea in the 16th century and only in the very late 19th century and early 20th century did Japan gain the upperhand against China.
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DUDE!!!!! Seriously....

read some books.

Have you never heard of the Sino-Japanese Wars?

Japan has invaded China on multiple occasions.
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China is a historically weak nation. The Chinese people do not care who is in power so they don't resist invasions. The Japanese on the other hand will fight to the last man as evidenced by the kamikazi pilots of WWII. Adolph Hitler allied himself with the Japanese because he considered the Japanese superior to all other Asian races just like he considered the Germans to be superior to all other White races.

To anyone who thinks that the Chinese are some sort of great warrior, ask yourself this, why is it that Macao and Hong Kong were both owned by foreign powers until a few years ago?
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You obviously have no idea about Asian history. I am a student of East Asian studies so I actually know what I am talking about.
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Sure you are and I'm the Pope. I'll trust my college degrees and not your alternative view of history. Sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18759426


I don't know where you get this idea since Japan has spent most of their time cowering on their island and their culture has always been heavily influenced by China. As the earlier poster said Japan got its arse kicked by China-Korea in the 16th century and only in the very late 19th century and early 20th century did Japan gain the upperhand against China.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4443279


DUDE!!!!! Seriously....

read some books.

Have you never heard of the Sino-Japanese Wars?

Japan has invaded China on multiple occasions.
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+1000

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