The story of Joseph relating to the 7 year tribulation

This next verse speaks of the United States:

Isaiah 1:3 3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. God is trying to relate to the reader two different perspectives here, one, of a master, the other of a crib, domicile, dwelling, residence and a house yet they don't understand or even consider the connection or the meaning. So, God is addressing another Israel, another house, another crib! Yet they do not understand, in other words they don't know or even consider. They have no clue what God is declaring through Isaiah. He further relays to the reader the thoughts that God speaks against this beastly nation; for He references it along the understanding, and an example of a beast, ox and ass. He states the people of that nation were sinful, full of iniquities, a seed of evildoers children of corruption they have forsaken the Lord and provoked him to anger(Isaiah 1:4) It declares, He has stricken them beforehand for a waring and a repentant attitude, yet they rebelled even more He was jealous for them but they refused his warnings(Ezek.38:19) Therefore the cities are burned(Isaiah 1:7) (Rev. 17:16) (2 Esd 12:2)(jer.20:16) what happened to the land? Strangers overthrew it.Is this Israel that the vision is revealing? Yes, but not that of Zion, but the daughter, woman of that zion ;(Isaiah 1:8) The woman, daughter is being addressed, not geographical Israel! Geographical Israel is not after the feminine, but God ordained Israel calling it His son, male!" (Exodus 4:22) Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, my firstborn....this is more from "Enigmatic sunrise todays prophetic secrets revealed."

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I think you are right on with this. Don't expect many to agree with you though. The wolves have done a good job perverting the last days prophecies.

If Jesus is not God and is not good, His sacrifice was in vain and of no effect when Jesus said none is good but God he was claiming to be God He was reasoning with them as He had done so many times before.Like when they asked to see the Father and he said "Have you been with me so long and yet ask to see the Father 'If you have seen me you have seen the Father"And "Why do you call me good only one is good that is the Father". Was he saying He was God? Of course He certainly wasn't saying He was not good.If He was not good how could His sacrifice do anything for us of course He was good and of course He was teaching them who He was

I would NOT LISTEN to this author because Joseph does not represent JESUS!

Joseph was in the line with the Christ's ancestry! Joseph was related to Jesus as Jesus came from Joseph's family linage.
Joseph was also a lover of God and honored God's will.
Since Joseph was highly loved and favored by God, God gave
Joseph a special gift---the gift of interpreting dreams!
This gift saved the world from famine and saved Joseph's family from famine. One of the great true stories of the Bible!

My ancestors were from the house of Joseph according to my
Spanish ancestry records.
But I unfortunately I was not given any special gifts.
Not yet anyway?

Best explanation I've heard thus far on this topic. I wholeheartedly agree.

That is exactly what the author is saying. Most bible scholars teach that Joseph represent Jesus and this author disagrees with that. The author also says the story relates to another Joseph type that comes in the end during the 7 year famine(tribulation) but this time it is a spiritual famine of the word of God and this Joseph type will feed the people spiritually because he can discern the plan of God just as the first Joseph correctly interpreted the dream or plan and fed the people physically.

OP, did you see my post above about YHWH dwelling inside of Jesus?

So if Jesus was just a temple for God who is in this verse:
John 17:5

5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.(how was Jesus before the world if he was only a temple?)

and who is sitting at the right hand of the Father in romans 8:34 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died more than that, who was raised who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us

I agree that faith in what Jesus Christ did on the cross as an atonement for ours sins is the only way to the father, just as Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life and no man comes to the father but by me." If you realize that the word "messiah" simply means "anointed one" you will see God is sending two more messiahs(anointed ones) which are the two witnesses but the main witness is this witness spoken of in Isaiah (just as Moses was greater than Aaron) from zechariah 4:11- 14 and notice 14 mentions the two witnesses or "anointed ones" 11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two ANNOINTED ONES, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Thats why the dead sea scrolls speak of Messiah ben Israel and Messiah ben Aaron..but I won't go into the dead sea scrolls because not many will agree with anything that isn't in the Bible and it isn't needed to see that this Servant in Isaiah isn't Jesus. When this 7 year tribulation comes God will raise up one like Moses again and it is this servant Jacob

I agree my friend. May I also include Leviticus 26, which I believe outlines the sufferings we are experiencing and will experience if we don't turn back to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

Very good on Leviticus 26 that's a good one to read...thanks

This shows two different Prophets coming..one like God which is Jesus and one like Moses which is regular man.


When moses was in the desert there was a rock that gave forth water and God told moses to strike the rock once.
The rock represented Jesus, as Jesus gives living water. Moses struck the rock and it gave forth water. this
is representing Jesus being struck for our sins on the cross. Another day came and God said speak to the rock
and it will give forth water. Instead of speaking to the rock Moses struck the rock 2 more times and because of
this Moses didn't enter the promise land. Jesus didn't need to be sacraficed or struck again so this is the reason
for the two witnesses in the end.
Here is 2 examples of Moses playing the part of God to the people:

Exodus 4:14-16
14 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know
that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in
his heart. 15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

Exodus 7:1
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

Now go to Dueteronomy 18:15-19
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

verse 15 and 16 Moses is speaking in the place of God saying I will raise up a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy bretheren, like unto me;......so that would be Jesus because Jesus is like God and moses is speaking in the place of God. Divide these verses correctly and you will see this last moshiach or prophet that is to come. The reason God sent Jesus was because the people were afraid when God came like a great fire.

now lets go to verse 17-19:
It starts out moses speaking and saying The Lord said unto me.....so now Moses isn't playing the part of God to the people here Moses is playing the part of a regular man because God is speaking to Moses. Now verse 18 God is still speaking to Moses and God says I will raise up a prophet from among their bretheren, like unto thee(like moses not like God), and I will put my words in his mouth: and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. verse 19 and it shall come to pass, that whosever will not harken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.......(This is that last day moshiach)

I read a very good book on prophecy that I think many would enjoy it's called "Enigmatic Sunrise Todays Prophetic Secrets Revealed" and it talks about the last day moshiach. Here is one example: The story of Joseph..as christian people are taught that Joseph represents Jesus because the coat of many colors was dipped in goat's blood..the colors represent the many nations and the blood sacrificial of
what Jesus did on calvary. The Pharoah symbolic of GOD the Father and position of greatest authority on earth. Lets consider another idea involving 3 entities. Jesus
represents pharoah, as pharoah was the ruler of the greatest authority on earth at the time.He was also the provider of the bread and nourishment for the life of men. Joseph correctly interpreted the 7 year famine of food, saving the people from physical starvation. This is a foreshadow of the 7 year tribulation when this Joseph(moshiach) will rise up and save the people from spiritual starvation. When Joseph appeared before Pharoah, Joseph told pharoah that God made these things known to him. If Pharoah was symbolic of God, as has been taught by people today then Joseph would have responded "you pharoah, God have given me the interpretation of the dream!" So the first entity is GOD, as Joseph mentions GOD gave him the interpretation. The second entity is Pharoah, symbolic of the ruler of the kingdom and the source of life during the last seven years of the interpreted spiritual famine. A
type of bread of life or another name for Jesus, and he was the head of the kingdom. The third entity was Joseph himself, a servant to pharoah and, King of the kingdom. Pharoah appointed Joseph secondary head of the kingdom. Joseph became leader and commander through his witness, for he correctly interpreted the dream, and by his witness saved many from death. Not by his sacrifice as was the case Jesus bearing the cross, but by his, Josephs' witness was many saved!
Considering the blood of a goat on the coat of many colors. Jesus is not symbolic of the goat of God but he is the Lamb of GOD! why not the blood of a lamb if it was to symbolize Jesus or a ram at least a ram is a male sheep. A goat is a ruminant mammal related to the sheep, this is symbolic of the gentiles! Again we are dealing with a goat even depicted in the story of Jacob, covering his hands, works in goatskin! Did God direct Josephs' brothers to the goat and not to a lamb by mistake? Was God confused and couldn't find a sheep at the time, or perhaps he forgot the difference between a sheep and a goat! I think not!
Even as Joseph's brothers chose the blood of a goat and rejected the blood of a lamb. Even so would come the time when Joseph's brothers the jewish people, would for a second time reject the blood of the Lamb Of GOD! The blood is not the significant thing here it is what the blood symbolizes this is significant!The Word of God states the life of man is in the blood (Gen.9:4-6)....this is just a small portion
of this book..I would recommend it to everyone...it shows this last day moshiach very clearly

Hiddenness and unrecognizability are part of the essence of
Mashiach benYoseph. He is the master of the art of disguise. This is also the Torah’s intentionin the verse: ‘ Yoseph recognized his brothers, but they did not recognize him’
(Genesis 42:8).



“What is the purpose off a Mashiach? The Mashiach is an individual who isresponsible for, and who, either overtly, or covertly, spearheads a collectiveprocess of tikkun. Tikkunis perhaps the single most important concept in all of Judaism&;The word tikkun means ‘rectification’ or ‘mending.’ In the Kabbalah, tikkun also refers to a process of ‘elevation’ and ‘transformation.’ Whereas thesecond definition implies taking something that is already complete into a morerefined state, the first definition implies that something has broken, or becometorn, and the immediate goal is only to return it to its original state of completion.These are the processes, or modes, of
tikkun."“;The one who performs that act of restoration is said to be its redeemer (goel ),which is another quality and name for messiah&;Therefore, the Messiah is simplythe one who is responsible for the restoration—the tikkun
”........This Joseph type moshaich will restore the two houses of Israel back to one house

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We had 7 years of great harvests here in the Midwest & this year we have a drought.

Next year is predicted to be not much better.

Maybe we are headed for a 7 year drought now?

One river in Ames has dried up completely - the Skunk River. This river usually flood a major road every Spring.

The Mississippi may be shutting down because the river levels are so low. They are going to shut down output on the Missouri river which feeds into the Mississippi which will lower the levels on that river also.

The Des Moines River is really low. Even too low for canoeing in some areas. This river inundated the water plant in Des Moines in 1993 during the floods that year.

Think about it........

The 7 year tribulation is the worst time the world will see. I don't think we are in it yet, but you are right labor pains of the coming event are beginning to show more and more

Lev 16 hold a great key to understanding who the last two servants are.

These two intercessory servants were both offered as sacrifices for latter day Israel. Both went through the furnace of affliction. One was offered up as a living scapegoat atonement while the other was a blood atonement.

Some Christians erroneously claim that the two spotless goats in that chapter both refer to Christ while others erroneously claim they represent Christ and Satan.

But they actually refer to the last two servants who will return to gather Israel and establish Zion

Good answer

very discerning.

I have been a Christian for 25 years and I have read just about every prophecy book and material that I could get my hands on about this subject,and up until about 5 years ago I thought I had it all figured out, I KNEW just how it all was going to unfold...

God allowed me to go through some very tough times, and He also opened my eyes to what is really going on in this world, and bottom line is... I figured out

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING

and...The thing I do know... is that 100% of the Christians, yes, Christians, don't know anything, and most all haven't a clue as to truth.. REALITY

I'm not saying they are bad, or going to Hell, or anything like this, but what I am saying is the WHOLE WORLD is deceived and the Christians are every bit as deceived as the rest of humanity and on that day they have a huge shock coming...

Not being judgmental or anything just saying...

I've long believed the bible repeats itself, that it all ends much as it began. There is a soon coming famine again. God has many Josephs being prepared to aid in this.

Please find what the meaning of our english word LORD.
Its amazing how a word meaning can go through such dramatic changes in such a short time.

“Lord" The word comes from a mid-thirteenth century, Old English, word “hlaford” which comes from an earlier version, “hlafweard,” ,and means literally, “one who guards the loaves,” and it comes from “hlaf ” meaning “bread loaf” plus “weard ” which means “keeper, or guardian.”

So I was thinking today about the bread and fishes and all those extra baskets full. I always wondered what was the purpose for picking up so much extras from less than He started with in the first place was.
Now after reading so often about Bread and Fishes wondering what could it mean it makes Spiritually much sense to show you and me this at this urgent moment when God's people so bad need some substantial "Word and Life" as all most can see is what the evil heart of disbelief shows them>>>>> sin leading to death >>>>>

"We need Fresh Bread and Fish"..... "JESUS CHRIST IS THE BREAD OF ETERNAL LIFE" ..... "HE IS THE TRUTH AND THE ETERNAL LIFE"

(Bread = The Living Word Fish = Eternal Life) There is no other way to The Father

This is what Jesus served for breakfast on the seashore after His followers were fishing all through the darkness without catching the fact that He Really Is The Living Word..... so Jesus said children have you any FOOD...they said NO

Amos 8:11:
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

there is a famine coming but the famine is of hearing the words of God........Just as God raised up Joseph for the physical famine to keep people from starving, God will raise up again a Joseph type to feed the people during the 7 year tribultion. Without a sheppard the sheep are scattered, God will raise one higher than the rest

The very same thing happened to me many years ago, my friend. After many, many, many, years of studying prophetic teachings; and everything I could read, hundreds, and hundreds, and many hundreds of more books I came to the exact same conclusion as you, I didn't know anything.. Very observant of you my friend. This is truly the beginning of your eyes of understanding being enlightened. Now over 40 years, I have studied, and memorized great portions of God's word. Study it; and (Eph.1:17-23) will come alive for you all at once, and your purpose will be revealed, beyond your imagination.

Remember, my friend, put away the teachings of men, for within them lays a little silver, and much dross, but take unto yourself the Word of God, for therein lays much gold, and there by remains no dross.

The last 7 years of the 70th week of Da:9 was completed back in the time of the cross. John the Baptist was called to be the High Priest 3 1/2 years before the cross (6 months later Jesus was baptized but he was 'cut-off' from preaching until John was put into prison. That is why the Gospel of Matthew and Mark jump from the return from the 40 days in the wilderness to when John is in prison. The cross was the mid-point of the 7 years and 3 1/2 years later Peter was given the mandate to preach the Kingdom of God to the Gentiles in Acts:10. Rome is the little horn in Da:8 so they were part of the brass and we are still in the period of the 'time of the Gentiles from Luke:21:24. No prophecies about the iron\clay have started as it only starts when there is less that 4 years before the return.

All the timelines in revelation that apply to the last few years run side-by-side and they all end about the time of the 7th trump. On that day the 42 months of the Beast of the Pit ends and the 7 vials pour out and the Beast and False Prophet are sent to the lake. Some 4 days before that the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses end which is also the 42 months mentioned in that same chapter. The last woman in Re:12 is also in that period as Satan cannot do anything until the 5th trump sounds and from that day there is 1260 days until the 7th trump sounds, that also means the two witnesses must start their ministry 4 days before the 5th trump sounds. The 4 trumps before that all sound in 4 days as the witnesses must be sealed before the 1st trump sounds.


Re:7:2:
And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God:
and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,
to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Re:7:3:
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Re:11:3:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
Re:11:4:
These are the two olive trees,
and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

This is a summary, the references cover quite a few passages.

The verses below happen before the 1st trump sounds. In the verses below it jumps back to the time of the Apostles and the 'missing verses' all happened from the time of the sermon until the 70AD event then it jumps back to what Revelation covers.

Lu:21:8:
And he said,
Take heed that ye be not deceived:
for many shall come in my name,
saying,
I am Christ;
and the time draweth near:
go ye not therefore after them.
Lu:21:9:
But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions,
be not terrified:
for these things must first come to pass;
but the end is not by and by.
Lu:21:10:
Then said he unto them,
Nation shall rise against nation,
and kingdom against kingdom:
Lu:21:11:
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places,
and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall
there be from heaven.
Lu:21:12:
But before all these,
they shall lay their hands on you,
and persecute you,
delivering you up to the synagogues,
and into prisons,
being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.


Lu:21:24:
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Lu:21:25:
And there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars;
and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring;
Lu:21:26:
Men's hearts failing them for fear,
and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Lu:21:27:
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Lu:21:28:
And when these things begin to come to pass,
then look up,
and lift up your heads;
for your redemption draweth nigh.

Re:11:2:
But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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