What is the point of humanity?

Like a vegetable, aren´t you. lol Or an animal. DO try to evolve.

The only way to know if there's a purpose to life is to create it and see what happens after forever.

Love in the context of relationships and community.

That is for You to find out for yourself in the course of you life.

If you still haven't gotten a clue... look in other places.

Point? There is no point. There is only life. Why does it need to have a point? Why not ask what is the point of ants? Or birds?

My point is that we are not special. Our species has evolved a brain that can question things, but that does not make us any different than any other species of animal on this planet.

Well over 90% of the species of animals that have ever lived on this planet are now extinct. We shall follow them soon. After we are long gone some other species will come to dominate this planet for a while.

We're here for the time being, so enjoy the nature show.

I'd say that if you don't make progress spiritually or help others make progress spiritually then was no point to your life really. I guess you can still serve a support function to those that are making progress but I don't think that will help you in the long run.

My point is that there is no point.

I didn't even read the original post before answering the question.

I could feel my IQ dropping just by reading that post.

I have a theory that some souls may be here on vacation with no purpose except just to take a break. Others like me are here with work to do.

You just be here for a vacation or something but I know I have things to do.

don't forget that we create... architecture, music, art, literature...

We discover, we learn...


But the point? Well as you said, god already knows the whole workings - there's no entertainment in it for him to just passively observe...

So he takes part.

But since he's so powerful, he can take part in an infinite number of ways simultaneously. He can be every person throughout history all at once, pretending he's just each one and not the others.

He can be every individual life, and at the same times all the workings of maths and physics.


In short, the point of humanity is that it's something to do, as opposed to not-humanity, which is nothing.

Cool, all I have to do is be myself.

Progress? Towards what exactly? Spirituality? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news... but you do not have a soul. There is no never never land awaiting you or anyone else after you die. When death occurs and the brain stops functioning all of the memories and experiences that made you who you are cease to be. What would really be the purpose of "making progress" towards something that will never exist?

Eerie and startling adventures await you.

Mother Earth wanted PLASTIC from us

George Carlin

The truth!

This can't be proven anymore than the heaven myth can.

How can you think you have the answer when what you're saying can't be proven and in fact there's plenty of evidence that what you're saying is wrong.

You're just as delusional as a religion/cult follower.

To bring the Goodness of His Heaven to the Beauty of the Earth.

This is the truth that somehow frightens the fuck out of most people. Well said!

Ironic that the 'goodness of his heaven' has wrought nothing but destruction on 'his earth'...

No. The Goodness of His Heaven has not manifested yet on Earth.

Maybe never will.

But the question was regarding the point of Humanity.

Was it not?

God created humans because God was lonely and wanted friends. He wanted children to love and who would love Him in return. Remember that 1/3 of the angels turned against God before humans were created. Angels are beings who can see God and understand how pure and worthy He is, yet 1/3 of them still rebelled against God. How badly that must have hurt God? Pretty badly I would imagine. Heartbreaking really. Cheers to the 1/3 who did not rebel. But still.

So why not create a being who cannot see or hear God as a test of their loyalty? If these lesser beings keep the faith even though they have never seen nor heard God then imagine how much that might mean to Him. It means a lot I am guessing.

In friendship and love, loyalty is everything.

Well, that clears that upthen. End of thread!

The New Humanity

Lecture by The Master Beinsa Douno, given on August 19, 1920, in Tirnovo
Today I am going to talk to you about The New Humanity. I shall go into this matter from a new point of view. The new in the world is the rising sun, and the old, the setting sun. This is a law of Nature. It is not only I that assert this law, every mother and every father asserts it too. When a maiden and a youth marry, the first child that is born unto them is the rising sun, the hope of their future. If we are of the opinion that the new brings forth mischief, that it disorganizes the community and the whole of humanity, this is a distorted view of those great principles that govern living Nature. But if we cherish faith in the new life, what are those children for who bring only misfortune to their parents? How many days and nights the mother has gone with no rest because of this new child, who still speaks not, this new idea!

The newborn idea is yet undefined but the mother has the ability to catch, to listen and to understand the language of this new being, this little child. So also in a community, in a nation, there are persons with sensitive souls, in whom consciousness is developed, the heart raised to a higher rate, and they grasp this new idea, this child, this new idea which they bring forth. And their contemporaries who do not understand the bearers of this new idea, say: "These men are anarchists, communists, heretics, sectarians!"

But these are names with no sense at all. If we reason thus, I ask them: What is the difference between a communist who lives according to his own understanding, and another who lives according to his old understanding, and still a third who lives according to his new understanding?

The difference is that the one who lives according to his new ideas feels within himself an uplift, energy, life, - growth! and the other, who lives according the old ideas feels himself old, exhausted, his strength failing: he is afraid of the future, he thinks of old age and therefore wants to become rich and starts insuring himself through banks and insurance policy. And I say: those are old people who think of insurance. The best security is Death, the graveyard.

But graveyards bring no new ideas to humanity, they create only misery and misfortune in the world. There in the graveyard are buried kings and priests,musicians and poets - all for their sins. If you ask me why people die, I reply: people die because of their old ideas.

Then how, can humanity be resurrected? I say: be young, become bearers of the new Divine Teaching, the emblem of which is Brotherhood. Brotherhood; but what kind of brotherhood? The one who names himself your brother must be ready to sacrifice his life, his wealth and his worldly honor - everything - for you.

When a great nation comprehends the idea of this kind of Brotherhood, it must be ready to sacrifice all for this idea. Where there is no sacrifice, there is no brotherhood, no equality. When someone preaches the great idea that there is a God but sacrifices not his life, his wealth and his worldly honor for Him, he has not grasped the great teaching of Life. This is Brotherhood and Equality; this is what Christ preached.

Let us goback, let us apply Christ's teaching, because in it is hidden the salvation of the world. What did Christ teach, what did He preach? He taught the great idea about the New Humanity!

What are the characteristics of the man of the New Humanity? The Jewish prophets, being far-sighted, two thousand years ago said that God will create new hearts, made of flesh, and in them His Spirit will be established and all, small and big, will come to know Him. Thereafter nobody will ask whether there is or there is not a God. Every man will lie under his own fig tree with no fear. Peace and love will reign among men; the weapons of war will be turned into tools and ploughs, and the peoples will not make war anymore.

Christ has established two principles; the New and the Old. In correlation we have the story of the wise man who has understood the meaning of Life, and built his house on rock. Winds and floods came but, they could not destroy that house. By "rock" here is understood the sound principles of living Nature. And the unwise man, who has not understood the meaning of Life, built his house on sand and the winds and floods carried it off. Storms and floods are those persons who live without any principles. They provoke all mischief in society, They carry off the house built on sandy foundations.

Therefore, these two cultures, the Old and the New, are founded on two principles. The contemporary old humanity still serves its egoism and that is why there can be no brotherhood. The New Humanity serves altruism. Egoism is predestined to become the servant of humanity.

Therefore, the new ideas include not only the welfare of the individual or of the society, but the welfare of all sentient beings. Under "sentient" beings I mean all beings, because there is no being which is not sentient. If you are deaf and someone talks to you, you do not hear him, and you wonder where lies the mistake. The mistake is not with the one who speaks but with him whose ear is deaf and cannot hear what is being spoken. A blind man cannot comprehend the world. The world is not dark, but the senses of this man are undeveloped.

The present society needs to develop new senses. Now this society evolves according to a great law. Nature today is not what it was a million years ago. Every 100 millions of years a great change comes inside Nature. If I ask you how many millions of years our solar system has existed, you will tell me that some of the contemporary men of science say 100 millions of years; others, 200 millions; still others, 500 millions, and so on. Occult science says that from the creation of our solar system to the present age have passed 250 milliards of years. These statements can neither be proved nor disproved. They are only assertions. They can be proved only under certain conditions, accepting some axioms and maximae; but generally, in order for a truth to be understood, some data is necessary. Proved truths are very rare in the world. For instance, suppose you desire to prove an idea very dear to you: whether a man has a soul or not.

Half of the contemporary intelligent people deny this idea and the other half accept it, but neither can prove it or disprove it. When we ask someone if there is a soul and what is its form, he usually replies: "There is a soul but its form I know not." We can prove only things that have form, content, and meaning; and things that have no form, no content, no meaning, we neither prove nor disprove.

I speak of an idea that is near to your souls, what I speak of is inherited by you. You have some ideals, some aspirations, yearnings, but they are being expressed in various ways. And every one of you has his own special aspiration.

The youth, for instance, is looking out for his beloved. The old man will say: "This is foolishness. Once upon a time I also busied myself with such things but now I need not any beloved." But this is not so for the young man. Night after night he sleeps not, gets up early, walks here and there, looking out for his girl with the dark brilliant eyes. His mother and father wonder what is happening to their son. The son says: "The new idea is what will bring forth in me new life - that is what I am looking for." Who is right? I say: the youth.
Once upon a time a fox passed by a tall apple tree and on its highest branch she saw hanging a piece of good cheese. She looked at it, passed on, and said, "that is no good." Why? Because it was high up and she could not reach it. But if it had been down, within her reach, she would have said that a better cheese than this one she had never eaten.

There are hints about the New Humanity in the New Testament and specially in Revelation. The Evangelist John, two thousand years ago, saw the woman pregnant with this great idea, the New Humanity, and fixed the number of the chosen ones, the bearers of this idea at 144 000 persons. If you add these numbers 1+4+4 = 9, the number 9 signifies an evolution of men who have all the positive, noble qualities.

Some would say that these l44 000 persons are in heaven. No, they are now here, on earth; they are incarnated among the intelligent people. Some of them are writers; others, poets or men of science; and all of them push humanity forward on the path toward the new idea, toward the Divine.
These are the enemies of darkness, of the fetters that enchain humanity. And the world-wise unrest, this great change that is coming, is due to them. They will turn this world upside down. Don't take this for a bad omen. In Bulgaria, when a person drinks water and chokes, the Bulgarians, turn him with his head downward so that he may vomit the wrongly swallowed water. Even so people today have swallowed much unclean water, and they must be turned head downward in order that this water might flow out. After everything unclean flows out, they will once more be turned with their head upward and the new life will begin. Some of you may say: "We do not care for this New Humanity, seeing the present sufferings." We must understand that suffering is necessary for the development of man. We have only now, in this age, started to suffer because we have become more sensitive. It is true that contemporary people suffer more, but suffering is noble and it will transform society. Doesn't every pregnant mother pass through some suffering, some painful experience? She suffers until the baby in her womb is formed, but when it is born she is released from suffering.

At present a new age is coming on earth and about this the present occultism says that a new wave will come forth from the sun. If I use new words you will not understand them and my speech would become obscure. This wave which comes forth now touches the human brain and some people under its influence become eccentric. Eccentric is the man who either talks not, or if he talks much, his speech is incoherent. These are extremes which exist among people, but the correct development has its norms. Some say that speech must always be logical. I am of the opinion that there are three types of logic in the world. The first is purely materialistic logic; the second, logic of sensible persons; and the third, Divine Logic. No untruth is allowed in the Divine Logic and therefore in order that man may operate with the last two logics he must have a noble and lofty soul; that is, he must be ready to sacrifice himself for his brothers and live not merely for his own good.

And therefore, the basic idea of the new teaching is brotherhood. Brotherhood must be applied in homes. The mother and father must understand this fundamental law of brotherhood in order that they may create new conditions for bringing up children.

Some youth is violent, makes mischief. How is he being dealt with according to the old type of education? He is punished and imprisoned. In the prison he loses his health and later the State must take care of him. This youth could become an excellent citizen. It is only that he has an outburst of energy which must be wisely channeled into work. You say about him: "Yes, but he is a sinner, a criminal." Society has created conditions which he cannot cope with.
And instead of studying the Living God, the Living Nature and dealing accordingly, we oppose one another, thinking that there are many laws in the world. No, Living Nature has only one law which applies both to rich and to poor. The poor say: "This rich man has everything he desires to eat and to drink, lives richly, and I have nothing." But you do not know that this man's suffering is only put off for forty or fifty years. Doesn't Nature take equally the fat of the poor and of the rich? What does Nature wish to say by taking the fat of people? Nature tells them: "You have not yet learned the law of Brotherhood."

If you read the first chapter of Genesis you will see that God says to Adam and Eve: "You will eat of all fruits except one and the day you eat of this one fruit, you will die. "The forbidden fruit is egoism."A person who wants people to work for him, who lives on their backs, a person who takes the bread out of the mouths of widows and orphans, a person who wishes to fight many nations - he eats from the forbidden fruit. Therefore, we all must be followers of the Great Teaching. Has Christ ever taught to wage war, to fight each other, or to pray that God will help one of the fighting sides? A thousand or two thousand years ago this had some meaning, but now it has outlived its time. Where is that orthodoxy which is being paraded as true Christianity? I speak to those who term themselves true Christians; they must act according to their beliefs and laws. Someone says: "I am not a Christian." What are then the laws and beliefs according which you live? "I am a free thinker." Then act according to your free thought. We must give the right of free thought to every person because there is something good, something noble in each soul. Give opportunity to every man and he will raise himself up. If he lives under unfavorable conditions - he falls down.

I have given this example before and I shall give it now again. An Italian painter wanted to paint the image of Christ and walked around the town looking attentively at all faces, hoping to find the suitable one. And he found a youth of about twenty and painted Christ after his image. The work was good. Ten years later the same painter decided to paint Judas and started looking for a suitable face. He found a young man in prison and asked him to pose for the picture. The young man said: "Sir, it is strange, ten years ago I posed to you for the image of Christ, now you want me to pose for Judas!" Inside these ten years the sinful life he had lead has so much changed the face of the youth that he looked like Judas.

If a young woman walks in the sinful paths of life and comes to a brothel, Won't this kind of life stamp her face? Such a dissolute woman told me one day that while she had money her husband lived with her, and after he used up all her money, he left her to her fate and she turned to evil paths. She said: "I want to go to church but they do not accept me there." This woman has the craving for a pure life and when her conditions change she will raise up herself.

And of those free women who wish to serve their sensuality, people say: "Such women are needed in the world."I say: No, we must take out of the brothels these our sisters and put them on the right path and show them how to live. The bearers of the new idea, of altruistic feeling, of the idea of the Divine Teaching, are coming now, and they are the ones who will intercede for all fallen and unjustly treated.

These people are not just anybody, they have sings on their faces, in their eyes, on their hands, You will recognize them. Here are their sings: if the bearer of the New Teaching is a doctor when he comes to your home he will bring all the medicine you need and will take from you no money but will say: "I serve for nothing." If he is a priest, when you ask him to baptize your child or read a burial service he will not accept any money but will only say: "I serve the New Teaching." If he is a trader, he will trade honestly; if he is a teacher, he will teach for nothing. You will object: "If we all work for nothing the world will be bankrupted." Yes, the present world will be changed but new beliefs will spring forth. Some will ask: "How is it possible to work for nothing, how shall we live without money?" I ask, how many thousands are being paid to the mother and the father to rear and feed and educate four or five children? Is there a law which decrees that the mother and the father get up five or six times a night and watch over their little children? There is no such law and no such enforcement, and in spite of this, such work goes on more smoothly and naturally than other work subjected to laws issued by the State.

Therefore, the mother and father show us the first law which we have to obey. I say: If you live as parents and children live in a home or as brothers and sisters, you are on the right path. From the point of view of the New Humanity no great catastrophe awaits us. It is true, a great collision is forthcoming in the world, but it is for those buildings which have no solid foundations, for all those rotten trees which have no healthy roots. A great idea is forthcoming which will overthrow them; this is a law, a ventilation which will clean up everything rotten and only the healthy will remain in the world.

When suffering comes your way don't ask the reason. I say: The sun is the reason for all misfortune and for all happiness on earth; it gives birth to all floods, all epidemics and all diseases in the world; it calls forth all earthquakes, it is the reason for everything that is being done in the whole of Nature. And the sun says: "If you are wise, you will wisely use my energy and I shall shower on you all blessings; if you are not wise, I shall inflict on you the greatest suffering." The sun can change its energy but it will always shine and the earth will always rotate. I tell you this: In the high mechanics of the occult science there is a statement that in the movement of a wheel, once in every 100 million rotations there is an exception. Our earth is also such a wheel. And when it rotates around the sun 100 million times an exception will come to pass in its movement too, which exception will be expressed either along a descending line, disastrously, or along an ascending line, beneficially. Such exceptions have happened before and such an exception is forthcoming. Our earth has made so many rotations and is very near to the exception. I shall not fix the date when this exception is to take place. You will not believe me now but when this day comes, then you will believe.

We can also apply this occult law to the sun. When it makes 100 million rotations, an exception occurs. The contemporary men of science say that the sun needs many millions of years for one revolution. Do you know what will become of the world when the sun shall make such an exception? If this exception falls into the descending line, the whole solar system will be extinguished, our sun will be darkened and all life will cease. If the exception falls into an ascending line, the sun's energy will be increased tenfold and then people on earth must watch out!

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That's a faith based belief that requires a person to judge all of humanity to have same fate. It's mind boggling.

Can you answer any of what I posted earlier:

This can't be proven anymore than the heaven myth can.

How can you think you have the answer when what you're saying can't be proven and in fact there's plenty of evidence that what you're saying is wrong.

You're just as delusional as a religion/cult follower.

The point is to be HUMAN.

You speak of God as if He gets some genuine thrill out of seeing you suffer. This simply is not true. You must look at yourself not as a body with a soul but a SOUL with a body. In this your purpose makes itself more clear as you are allowed to 'wear' this body so that you can have a xhance to try the HUMAN experience. Being here is a privelege and gift.

Despite what you are going through right now, understand that your soul's ability to be here is special becuase you can be in a position to learn only what a HUMAN can learn. This is HUMANity.

I agree, that's totally ridiculous. But, these people who are claiming that there's no afterlife for anyone have a belief that's equally as ridiculous.

You can't prove whether there's an afterlife anymore than you can prove whether there's a god.

Therefore, saying there's no afterlife for anyone requires just as much faith as any religious belief does.

Neither can be proved, correct. But one should make use of one's brain and look at it logically or at least honestly (in the absence of logic).
Are the odds on the 'angel, devil, hell, rapture, god, jesus' psychodrama or the 'don't know for sure so I'll go with nothing' reality?
You want to believe in fairies and dragons (yes, there are dragons in revelation!) then you go right the fuck ahead. Juwt don't expect me to believe it...

"Amid the mad scramble, you DO make your own reality. I admit that sounds too simple, but you will not be caught in an earthquake if you do not want to be, and no one dies who has not decided to do so. You make your own reality, or you do not. And if you do not, then you are everywhere a victim, and the universe must be an accidental mechanism appearing with no reason. So that the miraculous picture you have seen of your body came accidentally into creation, and out of some cosmic accident attained its miraculous complexity. And that body was formed so beautifully for no reason except to be a victim. That is the only other alternative to forming your own reality. You cannot have a universe in between. You have a universe formed WITH a reason, or a universe formed WITHOUT a reason.

And in a universe of reason, there are no victims. Everything has a reason or nothing has a reason. So, choose your side!"

Seth - Jane Roberts

You're ignoring near death experiences, quantum physics which many scientists say supports the existence of the soul, and there's other things like the fact that when someone dies the body becomes slightly lighter after death, many people claim that is the soul that leaves the body. These are things I can think of off the top of my head but there's other evidence.

From my own experience and life I'm convinced that I must have existed previously to this and I will probably go on after this but I can't say 100% certainty.